Thứ Tư, 28 tháng 9, 2016

Central Coast, NSW rollout - Part 3 part 1

  • 2015-Nov-14, 9:35 pm
    Defaulty
  • 2015-Nov-14, 9:35 pm
    DeiVias

    Great! You can get connected to Optus NBN Fibre to the Node

    Optus is the only online checker that says i can get it lol

  • UONStudent

    yeah we made our order yesterday afternon after being told they dont have it at my node..then 2 mins later having the next operator saying she didnt know why the other guy said that.
    The woman was based in Melbourne, the other guy was in one of those indian call centres.

  • CruiseSF
    this post was edited

    So iinet just called us saying that the NBN will go live in my area on Tuesday. Since it is already live here I am guess it means they are finally launching FTTN, as why would they even tell us that if they weren't going to benefit from it at all. If so that will be handy as we don't need to change RSPs and get a current customer discount.

    Also is it possible to get the telco to test the possible speed we could get. We really want to avoid paying for 100Mbps if we can get 50Mbps.

  • 2015-Nov-15, 7:39 am
    NetskyAU

    CruiseSF writes...

    Also is it possible to get the telco to test the possible speed we could get

    Nope, the telco cannot give you a estimated speed. You can do itself by judging the distance from your house to the Node. Or what for it to be connected and then change.

  • 2015-Nov-15, 7:39 am
    noddywally

    I just saw an ad on TV for NBN in Newcastle and Central Coast from Harbour ISP. Unlimited for $59 month . Anyone know about them ?

  • cloneme

    My Optus install has been brought forward from 17th December to 11th December so they are working hard alright.

  • cloneme

    There doesn't seem to be enough Nodes in Gorokan area, particularly if you live down near the lake. They are not distributed evenly to give everyone a fair chance of high speed.

  • 2015-Nov-15, 2:28 pm
    hrdct

    obviously your well qualified to know this

  • 2015-Nov-15, 2:28 pm
    CruiseSF

    What is the purpose of the appointment? I thought FTTN was meant to be as simple as ADSL, just plug in the Modem and go. The only other part I know has to be done is switching the connection, do they need to visit your house.

  • 2015-Nov-15, 5:44 pm
    UONStudent

    cloneme writes...

    y Optus install has been brought forward from 17th December to 11th December so they are working hard alright.

    We havent been given an Install date yet...i assumng thst will come during business hours.
    Gorokon 06 here

  • 2015-Nov-15, 5:44 pm
    Rendrag

    CruiseSF writes...

    What is the purpose of the appointment? I thought FTTN was meant to be as simple as ADSL, just plug in the Modem and go. The only other part I know has to be done is switching the connection, do they need to visit your house.

    Telstra have been re-wiring folks houses so that their phone line goes to ONE point, which goes directly into the router. Then the Tel1 line out the back of the router goes back into the house wiring and runs any other points in the house.

    I guess it gives them the best chance at a lower number of calls later going 'my son plugged a phone in in his room and now the internets don't work..'j

  • 2015-Nov-15, 7:47 pm
    UONStudent

    it just goes into the phone socket right??

  • 2015-Nov-15, 7:47 pm
    cloneme

    I know this is a trial area but if people who are far from the node and get a low speed and the NBN findings of the trial are that those people get a slow speed ??? what are they going to do, put more nodes out?

  • 2015-Nov-15, 8:03 pm
    UONStudent

    so with optus...when and how do you find out your install date?

  • 2015-Nov-15, 8:03 pm
    Yoda Pete

    I was connected to 2GRK-03-03 this morning with Telstra on a 50/20 plan. My line rate is 54.99 down and 22.6 up. The maximum line rate is 122.8 down and 51.15 up. The distance to the node is about 200m. Now that I know what the speeds are like I might upgrade to 100/40.

  • 2015-Nov-15, 8:11 pm
    striker

    UONStudent writes...

    so with optus...when and how do you find out your install date?

    you will get it when you call them.... they go through the plan and your details then they look in the system and give you a date and time for the nbn tech
    as well as a order number and email them to you...
    if you dont get an order number nothing is happening...

  • 2015-Nov-15, 8:11 pm
    striker

    Yoda Pete writes...

    I was connected to 2GRK-03-03 this morning with Telstra on a 50/20 plan. My line rate is 54.99 down and 22.6 up. The maximum line rate is 122.8 down and 51.15 up. The distance to the node is about 200m. Now that I know what the speeds are like I might upgrade to 100/40.

    yeah is only another $10 on top of your plan and when i spoke with them they said speed boost can be changed at any time up or down thats why i chose the 100/40 and if i dont get over 50 tomorrow with my install ican call them and they will reduce to 50/20

  • 2015-Nov-15, 8:58 pm
    Phg

    Yoda Pete writes...

    I was connected to 2GRK-03-03 this morning with Telstra on a 50/20 plan. My line rate is 54.99 down and 22.6 up. The maximum line rate is 122.8 down and 51.15 up. The distance to the node is about 200m. Now that I know what the speeds are like I might upgrade to 100/40.

    That's excellent news.

    Actual peak hour and off peak actual speeds and ping (like ookla speedtest) for both your 50/20 and the 100/40 would be most interesting to see.

  • 2015-Nov-15, 8:58 pm
    The Ziggster

    Yoda Pete writes...

    Telstra on a 50/20 plan. My line rate is 54.99 down and 22.6 up. The maximum line rate is 122.8 down and 51.15 up. The distance to the node is about 200m

    Great news.

  • UONStudent
    this post was edited

    striker writes...

    then they look in the system and give you a date and time for the nbn tech
    as well as a order number and email them to you...
    if you dont get an order number nothing is h

    Ii didnt get a date.
    i was told the nbn will contact us.
    the order has been made though
    we have plan ordered and order number.
    order says pending

    http://click.e.optus.com.au/?qs=dc671fbd9fe3b0af793a1b113c29ffaf781070152131c8f2fd2755fd03b9bfb7b6c6ec151665afd57b453947962b2346

  • Yoda Pete

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4836155073

    47.31 download and 19.17 upload on the 50/20 speed plan. This has been fairly consistent throughout the day and evening.

  • 2015-Nov-16, 6:46 pm
    ysu

    What kind of latencies you get, Yoda Pete?

  • 2015-Nov-16, 6:46 pm
    Yoda Pete

    ysu writes...

    What kind of latencies you get, Yoda Pete?

    18 ms.

  • 2015-Nov-16, 6:49 pm
    striker

    just got connected telstra fttn 100/40 syncs 86/35 in speed test get 8ms and 84.31 down and 34.5 up stoked,
    from adsl2 service of 9meg...i am a fair distance to node so very happy so far.

  • 2015-Nov-16, 6:49 pm
    ShayneRarma

    striker writes...

    just got connected telstra fttn 100/40 syncs 86/35 in speed test get 8ms and 84.31 down and 34.5 up stoked,
    from adsl2 service of 9meg...i am a fair distance to node so very happy so far.

    Pretty good speed. What distance from the node, roughly?

  • 2015-Nov-16, 7:16 pm
    striker

    ShayneRarma writes...

    Pretty good speed. What distance from the node, roughly?

    at a guess 600-700m
    attenuation on modem is 20.8 down

  • 2015-Nov-16, 7:16 pm
    DeiVias

    Well looks like the NBNCo website got updated.

    Great news, you can now switch to the nbn� network.

    Still said building commenced as of last night.

  • skta

    striker writes...

    at a guess 600-700m
    attenuation on modem is 20.8 down

    Good to see more & more coming online with FTTN & with their stats & distances now posted.

    Looks promising & positive results so far ....which has surprised me I must say.

    Some on this forum must be cursing madly behind the scenes & with MT's approval rating going thru the roof a return to a FTTP model looks dead & buried for now.

  • UONStudent
  • 2015-Nov-17, 3:05 pm
    cloneme

    I got my NBN box today it is a Sagem Fast 3864OP although my install date is 11th December I decided to hook it up and see if I can get anything. Well atm I am just getting normal ADSL2. Got dial tone on my phone ok. All lights come on and steady.

  • 2015-Nov-17, 3:05 pm
    Dazed and Confused.

    skta writes...

    Good to see more & more coming online with FTTN & with their stats & distances now posted.

    Looks promising & positive results so far ....which has surprised me I must say.

    mmmmm, syncing at 86/35 which is a bit short of the 100/40 that nbn� have been implying out to 800 metres though

  • Phg

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    syncing at 86/35 which is a bit short of the 100/40 that nbn� have been implying out to 800 metres though

    FTTN 100/40 at 800m? See below with a quote from an NBN Senior Manager recently.

    http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbns-fibre-to-the-node-services-go-live-409415
    100/40 speeds were typical within 400 metres of the cabinet, falling to 60/20 at 700 metres.

  • Dazed and Confused.

    Phg writes...

    FTTN 100/40 at 800m? See below with a quote from an NBN Senior Manager recently.

    good to see that, the 100 Mbps claims have been downgraded somewhat in comparison to the original press releases.
    I have done a search for the press releases that were done at the time of the original 11 node trials and of IINet blogs and they all seem to have been removed or edited. (these were linked from earlier parts of this thread)

    These gave speeds at some various connections up to around 800 metres

    bit we also must remember that for an 86/35 connection you are going to pay the same in CVC charges as a full 100/40, in fact a 51/9 connection will pay the same CVC charges as a 100/40

  • 2015-Nov-17, 5:17 pm
    UONStudent

    Have any other optus customers also not been given a date on applicstion ?

  • 2015-Nov-17, 5:17 pm
    DeiVias

    How accurate is the speed map on fttn.mynbn.info?

    I'm not to thrilled if it's accurate

    Estimated VDSL2+ speed: 34.469 Mbps
    Estimated Pair Length: 528.3 m

    :(

  • 2015-Nov-17, 6:22 pm
    skta

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    mmmmm, syncing at 86/35 which is a bit short of the 100/40 that nbn� have been implying out to 800 metres though

    Considering that the end-user is approx 600mt away those speeds are excellent IMO.

    I thought we would only see those speeds achievable to anyone within 200mt of a Node (in the real world) they must have very healthy copper.

  • 2015-Nov-17, 6:22 pm
    Rendrag

    UONStudent writes...

    it just goes into the phone socket right??

    If you only have one phone point in your house, yep. If you have more than one phone point, you get to specify ONE as your new 'first point', and they replace it with two outlets. One is the line into the VDSL modem. The other is the line OUT to the other points in the house.

    Has anyone who signed up with Telstra logged into their portal, and notice the plans have changed since signup? When I signed up, the bloke was quite clear that the 1TB did not include uploads. Yet when I login today, it tells me we've used 120gb down, 290gb up (I finally turned on our crashplan to crashplan backups, so the initial syncs are going), for a total of 41% of our monthly quota. Not what you'd call impressed, as Telstra business don't count uploads, and the bloke when I signed up confirmed that residential also didn't count them.

  • 2015-Nov-17, 6:32 pm
    Rendrag

    AusMade writes...

    How accurate is the speed map on fttn.mynbn.info?

    I'm not to thrilled if it's accurate

    Estimated VDSL2+ speed: 34.469 Mbps
    Estimated Pair Length: 528.3 m

    It's not even remotely accurate ;)

    For me it says:
    Estimated VDSL2+ speed: 31.15 Mbps
    Estimated Pair Length: 615.2 m

    Pair length is almost perfect (I'm 585 to the pillar, and it'd be 30m to the node from there)
    Yet I sync at 63/18 :)

  • 2015-Nov-17, 6:32 pm
    cw

    Rendrag writes...

    It's not even remotely accurate ;)

    The rate reach table used does't assume vectoring (it was unclear whether vectoring would be used in initial deployment), it also assumes all lines in the binder are used. (AIUI)

    So that is probably the fundamental difference. When the data becomes available I guess it will be updated.

    Plus, I think it will be interesting to see how these services perform over time. Does anyone know if the node is injecting a whetting current?

  • 2015-Nov-18, 8:49 am
    Minisune

    Be interesting to see how it goes as more lines are activated off a single node and how that goes for users especially with crosstalk.

    It would be appreciated by all if those posting fttn stats do so again in 6 months time.

  • 2015-Nov-18, 8:49 am
    Shakow

    Anybody planning on seeing Luck Wicks later today?

  • 2015-Nov-19, 2:03 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    Shakow writes...

    Anybody planning on seeing Luck Wicks later today?

    what is the do? what time and where?

  • 2015-Nov-19, 2:03 am
    Wobberly

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    what is the do? what time and where?

    Lucy is visiting Point Claire today to find out her loyal consituents concerns.

    11am to 1 pm at the little piggy coffee shop opposite aldi. (I might have the name wrong but its something like that)

    The context of her announcement was something about the great rate that the nbn was rolling out. We need to disabuse her of that idea as far as 2Gos07 goes.

  • 2015-Nov-19, 2:31 am
    UONStudent

    i swear optus are punking me. still no tech or install date in the myoptus order tracking page.
    i even got on the webchat yesterday and the lady..katherineB..funny how ive had a person with that name on skype support and telstra chat......said the earliest appointment she can see is 2 december and tat she will have to submit it to the nbn people and they will text within 24 hours. well, that was 25 hours ago and they said the same rubbish on Saturday

  • 2015-Nov-19, 2:31 am
    The Zapper

    Wobberly writes...

    Lucy is visiting Point Claire today to find out her loyal consituents concerns.

    Did anyone go?
    I would love to ask her why the 3 townhouses across the road (next t0 Adli) are "Ready for Service" when the rest of Point Clare, Tascott and Koolewong are waiting for the aerial drops to be done.

    To sit on that installed Infrastructure and not access the revenue from delivering services makes no sense. They need to light up 2GOS-07. It is now beyond a joke.

  • 2015-Nov-19, 7:24 am
    Dazed and Confused.
    this post was edited

    The Zapper writes...

    They need to light up 2GOS-07. It is now beyond a joke.

    my personal opinion is that they will not light up 2GOS-07 until they bring 2WOY on line so they can show "proof" that FTTN is quicker.
    2GOS-07 special build, outside NBNCo usual tendering, supposed to be faster than typical FTTP builds, ground to a halt when the contractor CCTS started rolling out both trial and full deployment nodes in the 2WOY coverage area

    2GOS-07 started construction around June 2015 2014
    2WOY non trial area started construction Feb 2015

    if they turn both on at the same time, there is the "proof" that FTTN is quicker by about 7 months on a timeline
    Although maybe not in actual days worked or even man days worked

  • 2015-Nov-19, 7:24 am
    kasi

    June 2015?

    2GOS-07:

    "Construction Commenced" Oct 2012

    "Build Commenced" Mar 2014

    "Preparation Commenced" Aug 2015

    Don't know what Preparation Commenced means.

  • 2015-Nov-19, 7:37 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    kasi writes...

    June 2015?

    oops meant June 14. In March? 2014 Senate Committee meeting they had on the coast it was revealed by the Manager of CCTS that they had been given a contract to build 2GOS-07 outside the usual tendering process, Guess "build" meant deploy fibre, deploy new ducts where needed, connect premises.
    The lead up work/prep should have all been arranged and completed by telstra by then, but we all know different

    Don't know what Preparation Commenced means.

    maybe they meant "Preperation H" for anethsetic purposes

  • 2015-Nov-19, 7:37 am
    The Zapper

    There is going to be a serious flow of BS about how quick and successful the FTTN builds have been for the next election.

  • 2015-Nov-19, 3:29 pm
    pedrov

    Wobberly writes...

    Lucy is visiting Point Claire today to find out her loyal consituents concerns.

    Did anyone go and find out anything we don't already know? I am guessing the aerial installs will suddenly start happening in the coming weeks, and then she can take the credit for making it happen.

  • 2015-Nov-19, 3:29 pm
    UONStudent

    Optus sent us a sms yesterday saying they have booked us for decmeber 2 in hamlyn terrace....but they just need nbn to confirm. So probably January

  • krysinello

    Seems to be December 2nd for a lot of people on Optus :|, that's my date as well for Lake Haven, and seen some others.

  • UONStudent

    Geez that instal guy gonna be busy then

  • 2015-Nov-19, 4:44 pm
    krysinello

    Yeah it's a bit strange the way Optus are describing the whole process really, as apposed to whats happening with Telstra.

    One of my colleagues signed up with Telstra the same time as I did with Optus, and he is already connected.

    There was no house visit either, he just lost his DSL, and when he rang Telstra, oh you've been cut over. It's pretty much what I was expecting with the VDSL cut over, shouldn't require any house visit.

    This also makes me wonder if Telstra customers are getting priority, why are people ordering with Telstra already cut over when others in the same area with other RSPs are still waiting?

  • 2015-Nov-19, 4:44 pm
    Mr Expendable

    krysinello writes...

    This also makes me wonder if Telstra customers are getting priority, why are people ordering with Telstra already cut over when others in the same area with other RSPs are still waiting?

    Telstra customer here. I ordered on the 7th of oct, still not connected � they flapped my order. I have a new order number and due to get connected on the 1st of dec.

  • canon1d

    krysinello writes...

    This also makes me wonder if Telstra customers are getting priority, why are people ordering with Telstra already cut over when others in the same area with other RSPs are still waiting?

    All RSPs access the same NBN calendar. They can consume whatever appointment slots are available.

  • timo-h

    Yup I went along with the wife.
    Was crowded with the oldies who were not aware of most of the issues apart from the delay.
    Lucy claimed that she had no influence on the order of the roll out (said it was an engineering decision made by NBN) and she said that was how it should be. Based upon the previous history and experiences in Gosford, Lucy could not guarantee 3rd February 16 as the ready for service date.
    Issues blamed by NBN for slow roll out included the unexpected existence of rock in Koolewong, Tascott and Point Clare. Rock a suprise haha, GlenROCK parade is one of the major through routes and anyone can see the rocky outcrops descending from the escarpment towards Brisbane Water. I have seen the NBN distribution boxes on the side of a couple of houses on the lower section of Glenrock. My neighbour says they are not connected.

    Important news is that there is an agreement between NBN and Ausgrid to allow arial instals to the premisis from Ausgrid poles.

  • 2015-Nov-19, 5:40 pm
    BigWozza

    timo-h writes...

    Important news is that there is an agreement between NBN and Ausgrid to allow arial instals to the premisis from Ausgrid poles.

    I was there also (an oldie hey !! :) lol) What surprised me is the fact that the Ausgrid issue should have been sorted out as part of the planning stage � so you knew what you were going to build. It also seems that this agreement with Ausgrid isn't state wide (local only we believe) � so this sort of hold up is possible anywhere where FTTP is being rolled out and arial installs are required..

    Hmmm here is a thought � how is the existing Telstra line deployed ? Arial ?

  • 2015-Nov-19, 5:40 pm
    Dazed and Confused.

    timo-h writes...

    Important news is that there is an agreement between NBN and Ausgrid to allow arial instals to the premisis from Ausgrid poles.

    there are catenary wires installed down near Koolewong station, also saw a multiport on a pole around 332 Glenrock Parade, will try for a pic later tonight

  • 2015-Nov-20, 7:29 pm
    _wateva_

    timo-h writes...

    Important news is that there is an agreement between NBN and Ausgrid to allow arial instals to the premisis from Ausgrid poles.

    i thought nbnco took this power long ago by force using their new regulatory given powers.
    Is that agreement ready to go now? or yeh yeh, its coming?

  • 2015-Nov-20, 7:29 pm
    CruiseSF

    iinet's new plans also cover FTTN now. I think we were one of the first if not their first FTTN customer as they had next to no idea what they were doing.

    Anyway we now have to wait for NBNco to call us and give us an install date. What exactly is this install that NBNco does. As iinet pretty much said exactly what is done with FTTP not FTTN.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 10:04 am
    skin

    CruiseSF writes...

    What exactly is this install that NBNco does.

    they switch the copper from pillar to cabinet. Your ISP has no access to do this.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 10:04 am
    CruiseSF
    this post was edited

    Which is exactly as I thought, except the guy from iinet said that NBNco will be installing a box to the house. As I expected he was confused with FTTP, even though he was meant to be iinet's FTTN expert.

    Edit: Our NBN appointment has been confirmed for the 1st of December.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 10:17 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    CruiseSF writes...

    Which is exactly as I thought, except the guy from iinet said that NBNco will be installing a box to the house. As I expected he was confused with FTTP, even though he was meant to be iinet's FTTN expert.

    maybe they are going to have a "box" labelled as an NTD on the outside with the copper connected to that and then it is up to you to connect.

    I also note that they are starting their plans at 12Mbps complete with the "up to" rider.
    so they are offering
    Up to 12
    Up to 25
    Up to 100
    no 50 Mbps plan
    and no mention of upload :(

    Wonder how that will go with the ACCC supposedly saying the speed an RSP sells is the speed they must deliver, no more "up to"

  • 2015-Nov-21, 10:17 am
    CruiseSF

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    and no mention of upload :(

    The upload speed is listed in the small print.

    The Basic speed option (12Mbps) has a maximum upload line speed of up to 1Mbps. The Boost speed option (25Mbps) has a maximum upload line speed of up to 5Mbps. The MAX speed option (100Mbps) has a maximum upload line speed of up to 40Mbps.

    In our NBN appointment confirmation email, they said we don't need to be present for the appointment, so I am pretty sure that means that the box part was wrong or he miss spoke. Although he did make several mistakes confusing FTTN and FTTP. Any way out appointment is on December 1. Although we wont be able to test until the 5th due to things happening that week. Judging by my distance from the node I am guess I will get speeds of around 50-60Mbps (wish they still had a 50Mbps plan) although hopeful we will get more as we have the 100Mbps 1TB plan.

  • Dazed and Confused.

    CruiseSF writes...

    Although we wont be able to test until the 5th due to thing happening that week. Judging by my distance from the node I am guess I will get speeds of around 50-60Mbps (wish they still had a 50Mbps plan) although hopeful we will get more.

    I am guessing as NBN seem to be charging the RSPs the same for a 50Mbps as a 100Mbps (which is different to FTTP where their is a difference in pricing) connection on FTTN they see no reason to offer the plan

    hope your connection goes to plan and works well for you

    Feb before I can apply

  • krysinello

    I see iiNet is now available at my house as well.. Frustrating as they said they wouldn't be offering it anytime soon. Would prefer to stick with them then optus.

    Guess I'll see if I can arrange cancelling with Optus and swapping to iiNet while keeping the existing install date.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 1:20 pm
    cw

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    I am guessing as NBN seem to be charging the RSPs the same for a 50Mbps as a 100Mbps (which is different to FTTP where their is a difference in pricing) connection on FTTN they see no reason to offer the plan

    Interesting if that is the case, there is only $4 difference between to 50Mbps and 100Mbps wholesale AVC costs.

    Maybe the RSPs are not offering the 50Mbps plans so that they can play the numbers game with their CVC capacity they purchase. They might do this because those that can get the full 100Mbps will be skewed by the copper performance.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 1:20 pm
    OlderAussie61
    this post was edited

    I am wondering if anyone has actually checked download speeds other than via a speed test. I have adsl2+ and speed tests show I get between 8/10mbs download on most times I check. In reality when i download a large file, say an old movie or so, my actual speed is never any better than around 180kbs yes kbs about 1mb every 6 to 10 seconds. It can and has been as poor as 3/6kbs which is pathetic depending on time of day or day of week,weather and so on. I do understand that depending on numerous factors especially downloading large files that speeds will differ.I am asking this as my provider is offering 12/1 option so would I be any better off going to the nbn or would I need one of the larger plans. Is the nbn subject to the same problems as ADSL2+ with congestion and the known problems everyone has had or has. I am about 200 metres from the closest node and the fibre goes past my house on the other side of the street. Any information would be very much appreciated.

  • pedrov

    OlderAussie61 writes...

    I have adsl2+ and speed tests show I get between 8/10mbs download on most times I check. In reality when i download a large file, say an old movie or so, my actual speed is never any better than around 180kbs yes kbs about 1mb every 6 to 10 seconds.

    You should be downloading at ~900Kbps on that sort of connection

    What provider are you with?
    Just asking, so I know to steer clear of them. :)

  • OlderAussie61
    this post was edited

    I have been told it is the actual congestion at the Gorokan exchange for almost all of the slow speeds and not the provider. I really can't complain about my provider as I have been with them in a number of locations and with all plans even dial-up over almost 20 years. I do get those sorts of speeds when updating a program like adobe or a browser or virus program or anything of that nature. This is why I asked about actual speed and not from the test sites.

  • pedrov

    OlderAussie61 writes...

    I do get those sorts of speeds when updating a program like adobe or a browser or virus program or anything of that nature.

    That indicates it is more to do with the server you are downloading from. If it is a good server (Microsoft directly, etc), then you will be seeing good speeds as it can serve the data fast enough. Not all servers for you to download are of the same quality/capacity, so slow speeds will likely happen at any connection rate.
    Torrents are even harder to use as guide, as it relies on so many other factors (like the number of seeds, their uploading rate, etc).

  • OlderAussie61

    pedrov writes...

    Torrents are even harder to use as guide, as it relies on so many other factors (like the number of seeds, their uploading rate, etc).

    Yes I am aware but never use Torrents as such I don't trust them. Even streaming video footage from news sites has it's problems at times so this is why I am asking if the 12/1 plans would be good enough and will I experience the same problems or will the nbn alleviate some or most of this. Also looking to see what actual speeds people on the higher plans are getting again not just from speed test sites. They don't to me really indicate what can be expected in actual download speeds with all of the associated factors.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 4:33 pm
    Midnight Rider

    OlderAussie61 writes...

    I have adsl2+ and speed tests show I get between 8/10mbs download on most times I check. In reality when i download a large file, say an old movie or so, my actual speed is never any better than around 180kbs

    If your ADSL2+ is capable of 10mbs or better, but you can only download a particular file at 180kbs, then you're likely to see a similar situation with an equivalent or faster NBN connection, if it's provided by the same ISP/RSP.

    As 'pedrov' states above, you can only download a file as fast as the server sends it, or as fast as the interconnecting infrastructure will allow. If the file is coming from a slow source, or if your ISP/RSP has limited backhaul/capacity, then you'll get the file slowly. This has little bearing to the type of network technology (CAN/FTTH/FTTN) over which the data is travelling.

    A speed test is an indication of how fast your connection can download data, but most connections are capable of faster speeds, because even speed-test servers can be compromised by the infrastructure over which they operate. But being capable of downloading at a particular speed, does not mean that all data or every file that you download will be delivered at that speed, because there are so many other factors that affect the speed that you can achieve.

    Is the nbn subject to the same problems as ADSL2+ with congestion and the known problems everyone has had or has.

    The NBN isn't (last mile copper excepted), but your RSP is, assuming you're using the same one that provided your ADSL2+ service. That's why it's so important to do your homework and research other user's experiences, so you can get an indicative idea of which RSPs are consistently providing the speeds that they promise, and which ones are not.

    In the course of this research, you might even find that your current ISP performs pretty well for most of it's users, which would be an indication that your issues lie either with the source of the content you're downloading, or with the state of the local infrastructure that services your particular premises.

  • 2015-Nov-21, 4:33 pm
    skin

    OlderAussie61 writes...

    I have been told it is the actual congestion at the Gorokan exchange for almost all of the slow speeds and not the provider.

    im on gorokan exchange, sync at 4.5 mbits per sec get downloads at ~500 Kbyte per sec so your provider is having a lend of you. Basically downloads max out my connection at most times of the day even evenings. Congestion was an issue a couple of years ago, but not currently most of the time. Im with Telstra, but was the same with the node and excehell.

  • 2015-Nov-22, 8:25 am
    OlderAussie61

    skin writes...

    your provider is having a lend of you

    It was actually a Telstra Tech that told me this when I was having other issues a few months back. As with Aussie91 he too has a problem with sites that I also use so it is an issue at these particular sites, not the ISP. I am just curious to see if users on the FTTN are experiencing very slow downloads on streaming sites such as Putlocker or dailymotion and so on. Almost all other downloads I do, have speeds of around 1/1.1mbs at most times. As I stated in previous posts program updates or new program downloads and the like are not a problem. I do know that there are many factors that contribute to slower speeds I just want to make sure that I am not wasting my time going to FTTN and not really achieving any better results. Not too tech savy I am not sure if the FTTN is really any different to ADSL2+ when it comes to the sites I am using for either streaming or downloading a movie or show.

  • 2015-Nov-22, 8:25 am
    pedrov

    OlderAussie61 writes...

    I am just curious to see if users on the FTTN are experiencing very slow downloads on streaming sites such as Putlocker or dailymotion and so on. Almost all other downloads I do, have speeds of around 1/1.1mbs at most times.

    Which points to Putlocker and Dailymotion servers. A quick google search uncovers that Dailymotion has it's servers in the UK, and there are posts complaining of general slow connections to that server. Putlocker is also based in the UK and comes up fairly commonly complained about too.

    Some ISP's have poorer international routing into the UK. That won't be helping the situation. Which ISP are you using? People in here might be able to help point you in a better ISP direction.

    If this was local congestion related, then you would be seeing slow downs of all sites, not just specific websites.

    You essentially have a 10/1 connection right now, a 12/1 connection won't be much different in your daily experience. You want the faster speed tiers if you can.

  • Dazed and Confused.

    saw quite a few multiports on poles south of Koolewong station on Glenrock Parade and in Nimbin Road.

    What I also found interesting was that there is NBN fibre on poles all the way down to 43 Glenrock Parade, no multiports visible, but this part of Glenrock is listed as FTTN.
    So not sure if they are going to extend the FTTP roll out as these premises are fed from a pillar up North of Koolewong Station near 126 Glenrock Parade Koolewong or if they are just going to "P" of people, giving them FTTN when there is NBN fibre on the poles out the front of their properties

  • Sponks

    So what's the situation with vdsl2 modems?.. Are you getting a RSP provided one? Do you get a choice of the model etc?

  • 2015-Nov-25, 10:27 am
    krysinello

    I was told the week before. Doesn't really make sense though for it to be on the day.

  • 2015-Nov-25, 10:27 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    krysinello writes...

    I was told the week before. Doesn't really make sense though for it to be on the day.

    especially if the delivery courier does a "drive by" aka as leave a "no one was home card" without knocking, so you have to go to the PO or depot next day to pick it up

  • 2015-Nov-25, 11:10 am
    krysinello

    Hey now, we know that never happens :P

    I was expecting it sometime this week. My appointment is Wednesday next week, but now not so sure.

    Will keep this thread posted when I get it.

  • 2015-Nov-25, 11:10 am
    jandj81

    Sitting in the shade enjoying a cool drink in Bangkok, catching up on the news back home and thought "wonder what speed tests show up here" ??

    For those interested and know what I'm talking about (I don't) =

    Latency- 14 ms, Download- 16.4Mbps, Upload- 1.66Mbps

  • 2015-Nov-25, 11:16 am
    The Zapper

    Not sure if anyone else has noticed. 2LJT0-02 is active.
    http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/2LJT-02
    Good news for those in Chittaway.

    Still can't understand why 2GOS-07 has one active premises in Talinga Ave, Point Clare and the rest of the area waits.

  • 2015-Nov-25, 11:16 am
    cloneme

    Tried that thanks Dazed and Confused, if I can't access the menu they can take the box and shove it, and give me another. Anything in the settings could be slowing my speed. Last Thursday I was averaging 37.36Mbps down and 12.90Mbps up with latency 8ms.

  • 2015-Nov-25, 5:51 pm
    UONStudent

    Optus told me toll will deliver on install day. I check my install on the optus order and im scheduled between 1pm to 5pm.
    so hmmmm

  • 2015-Nov-25, 5:51 pm
    Tailgator

    Ooops

  • Dan S

    The Zapper writes...

    Not sure if anyone else has noticed. 2LJT0-02 is active.
    http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/2LJT-02
    Good news for those in Chittaway.

    Thanks, yeah that went active on November 11th

    I signed up with Skymesh on 100Mbit and have an install booked in for December 2nd. I doubt everything will be up and running on the first go as it is going to come via the power pole, and I don't have anything installed on my house yet

    Fingers crossed! Can't wait to go quicker than the 5Mbit I currently get.

  • krysinello

    Optus modem got shipped out today, won't be anyone home tomorrow to receive it D:.

    Tracking site says it will arrive 5 days before installation.

  • 2015-Nov-25, 7:42 pm
    UONStudent

    krysinello writes...

    Optus modem got shipped out today, won't be anyone home tomorrow to receive it D:.

    Tracking site says it will arrive 5 days before installation.

    lol yeah we both getting ours today and im waiting for the tech guy wednesday 1-5pm

    they deliver vial Toll

  • 2015-Nov-25, 7:42 pm
    ysu

    The Zapper writes...

    Not sure if anyone else has noticed. 2LJT0-02 is active.
    http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/2LJT-02
    Good news for those in Chittaway.

    Hell yes.
    I've already got my Internode NBN lined up, techie booked to install the box on 1st of Dec!

    I have never thought I'd see the day...hehe. This last 2 years of wait was rather...long I guess :)

  • 2015-Nov-26, 12:11 am
    Jordan23140

    In Chittaway Point, got mine connected today, paying for the 50/20 plan. So god damn happy.

    http://www.speedtest.net/result/4866671630.png

  • 2015-Nov-26, 12:11 am
    cloneme

    Well an Optus tech came out yesterday and he couldn't access my modems menu from my laptop so he connected up his old laptop running xp and using Chrome connected to the menu. We thought it might have been windows 10 being the problem but it turned out only Chrome could connect. I told him about my speed getting 37.5Mbps then dropping back to 20Mbps after dropouts fixed. Seems like I have been throttled back and i'm on 100/40.
    The Tech said that when all the residents in the street get connected then they turn on vectoring and we all get a speed boost.
    So atm i can't even get my wifi to connect to the box so I'm using cable but can't get into the menu now! Bugger.

  • Dazed and Confused.

    cloneme writes...

    Well an Optus tech came out yesterday and he couldn't access my modems menu from my laptop

    gee, that creates confidence

    We thought it might have been windows 10 being the problem but it turned out only Chrome could connect.

    wonder if Firefox would also connect. might be an Internet Explorer or Microsoft Edge issue

    The Tech said that when all the residents in the street get connected then they turn on vectoring and we all get a speed boost.

    sorry, but this sounds like a bit of................. others on nodes are getting much higher speeds than you currently.

    and you should be able to at least login on the modem to the user pages, these things can take usb sticks or hard drives for you to store files and share them on the network
    are you using Windows?
    maybe the modem is no longer at 192.168.0.1 so none of the usual logins work?

  • UONStudent

    i got my optus modem yesterday. damn thing the size of a dinner plate...geeze.
    but anyway, i plugged it in to my laptop and was able to access it straight away from three browsers and it loaded quickly.i didnt test wifi connect or power over ethernet yet. if my connection on wednesday goes well i will hopefully buy a better modem one day.

    Im guessing optus must email or text customers a username and password the day of activation

  • 2015-Nov-26, 9:06 am
    pedrov

    Hey FTTN Coasties!
    Can people confirm whether line rental is required on FTTN setup?
    Does the line support PSTN still? Or is it all data/VoIP?
    My brother is moving into a new house after Xmas, in Woy Woy area, with FTTN RFS of Feb, and he is starting to do some research on what he is going to do.

  • 2015-Nov-26, 9:06 am
    skin
    this post was edited

    Well finally connected on Goroken

    Stats

    DSL Status
    Up
    DSL Uptime
    20hours 57min 19sec
    DSL Type
    VDSL
    DSL Mode
    Fast

    Maximum Line rate
    12.96 Mbps 56.96 Mbps

    Line Rate
    6.4 Mbps 28 Mbps

    Data Transferred
    551.79 MBytes 1857.69 MBytes

    Output Power
    7.1 dBm 12.0 dBm

    Line Attenuation
    0.0 dB 25.7 dB

    Noise Margin
    18.0 dB 18.8 dB

    About 700m from the cabinet by road, so stats seem good. Not fibre good, but substantially better than 4.5 Mbps ADSL.

    Currently speed boost not applied so sync at the base 25.

  • Dazed and Confused.

    skin writes...

    Currently speed boost not applied so sync at the base 25.

    interesting as those stats seem to show your sync rate is higher than 25/5
    they seem to show that you have synced as 28 Mbps/6.4 Mbps

    what brand modem?

    any rough idea of how far from the node you are?

  • skin

    Product Vendor
    Technicolor
    Product Name
    Technicolor TG799vac
    Software Version
    15.1
    Firmware Version
    15.32.6208-440-RE

    700m exactly to the node by road, slightly less to pillar, they placed the node on a different street, so copper path might be longer.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 10:23 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    skin writes...

    Product Vendor
    Technicolor
    Product Name
    Technicolor TG799vac
    Software Version
    15.1
    Firmware Version
    15.32.6208-440-RE

    700m exactly to the node by road, slightly less to pillar, they placed the node on a different street, so copper path might be longer.

    thanks for that info
    who is your RSP?

  • 2015-Nov-28, 10:23 am
    thebookfreak58

    skin writes...

    12.96 Mbps 56.96 Mbps

    Interesting.

    A few times in Senate Estimates they mentioned that it was 50/10, rather than 50/20 on FTTP.

    Seems like they are sacrificing uploads to prop up the downloads to meet the SoE.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:01 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    thebookfreak58 writes...

    A few times in Senate Estimates they mentioned that it was 50/10, rather than 50/20 on FTTP.

    Seems like they are sacrificing uploads to prop up the downloads to meet the SoE.

    on FTTP there are actually 2 tiers for 50 Mbps download, a 10 Mbps and a 20 Mbps upload
    also remember that the plans now being sold seem to be up to 12/1, up to 25/5 and up to 100/40

    so you could argue that you should be able to get a download of around 50 and an upload of around 40

    to me, the main plans sold on 50 download were 20 upload, so that would be another 'cut back" with regards to FTTN

    pay the same for much, much less :(

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:01 am
    skin

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    who is your RSP?

    Telstra, its there standard modem currently.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:15 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    skin writes...

    Telstra, its there standard modem currently.

    thought so, but was just confirming as some RSPs are not listing the modem they are supplying

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:15 am
    canon1d

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    nteresting as those stats seem to show your sync rate is higher than 25/5

    NBN offer 25/5-10 as well as 25/5.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:26 am
    thebookfreak58

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    28 Mbps/6.4 Mbps

    That's normal, sync at higher L1 rate because after L2 overheads it's 25/5 ;)

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:26 am
    thebookfreak58

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    FTTP there are actually 2 tiers for 50 Mbps download, a 10 Mbps and a 20 Mbps upload

    Mmmm I thought it was:

    12/1, 25/5, 25/10, 50/20, 100/40....1000/400.

    http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/sfaa-wba2-product-catalogue-price-list_20150201.pdf (Old one with FTTB only)

    ?

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:59 am
    cloneme

    I'm using Windows 10, tried Firefox and Windows Explorer or Edge as it's called now and can't get into menu. My galaxy S5 can access the modems menu ok. Have done just about everything and done a reset but no go. Must be something wrong with my laptop.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 11:59 am
    cw

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    on FTTP there are actually 2 tiers for 50 Mbps download, a 10 Mbps and a 20 Mbps upload
    also remember that the plans now being sold seem to be up to 12/1, up to 25/5 and up to 100/40

    Actually it is 25/5 and 25/5-10, what is confusing is NBNCo usually report the 25/10 subscriber numbers with the 50/20.

    See section 6.6.6 (page 44) of http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/sfaa-wba2-product-catalogue-nebs-product-tech-spec-fttb-fttn_20151102.pdf

    But that does raise an interesting point, what if line only supported 50/10 but the end user cared more about upload than download? Is there any way the user could tweak it to 40/20 instead?

    [edit] Fixed/added the range for the higher upload AVC

  • 2015-Nov-28, 12:42 pm
    Itchy13

    Have you noticed any aerial work being done in your street yet? Because if not, it may not happen.

    Same thing happened to me earlier in the year. 2GOS-05 went RFS but very little aerial work had been done. I'm still waiting and Skymesh have given me an ETA of May 2016. Nearly 12 months after RFS.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 12:42 pm
    Itchy13

    Have you noticed any aerial work being done in your street yet? Because if not, it may not happen.

    Same thing happened to me earlier in the year. 2GOS-05 went RFS but very little aerial work had been done. I'm still waiting and Skymesh have given me an ETA of May 2016. Nearly 12 months after RFS.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 12:55 pm
    _wateva_

    Itchy13 writes...

    Have you noticed any aerial work being done in your street yet? Because if not, it may not happen.

    Same thing happened to me earlier in the year. 2GOS-05 went RFS but very little aerial work had been done. I'm still waiting and Skymesh have given me an ETA of May 2016. Nearly 12 months after RFS.

    nothing here and im in the same boat. may 2016 is over 12months. it went active 30th april.

    in a way its good now, because iinets nbn plans now suck, gives them time to make them better, or for me to work out who to switch to.

  • 2015-Nov-28, 12:55 pm
    skin
    this post was edited

    skin writes...

    Maximum Line rate
    12.96 Mbps 56.96 Mbps

    Line Rate
    6.4 Mbps 28 Mbps

    So ive been looking at this for the last two days while i wait for my speed boost.

    My understanding is that max line rate is the best the line can do? Why is this value almost exactly double my current sync rate? Shouldnt this be a random number based on copper, distance, corrosion etc? It looks like the max is limited to an exact number? which just happens to correspond to 50/10 or am i not understanding max line rate?

  • Itchy13

    _wateva_ writes...

    nothing here and im in the same boat. may 2016 is over 12months. it went active 30th april.

    in a way its good now, because iinets nbn plans now suck, gives them time to make them better, or for me to work out who to switch to.

    I tried to quote Dan S's post from the previous page but for some reason it didn't work. I am interested to see whether he gets an aerial done, while us poor 2GOS-05 folk are forgotten about.

  • Dan S

    Itchy13 writes...

    I tried to quote Dan S's post from the previous page but for some reason it didn't work. I am interested to see whether he gets an aerial done, while us poor 2GOS-05 folk are forgotten about.

    My appointment is booked in for tomorrow � I'm also using Skymesh. The opposite side of my street looks like they are getting trenches, while those of us on the inner part will get service via the pole. I got a call yesterday from NBN confirming that someone will be home so it all sounds like it is going ahead

    Will let you know

  • 2015-Nov-28, 2:53 pm
    Mr Expendable

    Mr Expendable writes...

    Telstra customer here. I ordered on the 7th of oct, still not connected � they flapped my order. I have a new order number and due to get connected on the 1st of dec.

    Well, I checked my order tracker today and everything had gone to "delayed' I was about to have my whinge here when the internet went down. Came back up 15mins later.

    DSL Mode: Fast
    Maximum Line rate 35.17 Mbps 77.67 Mbps
    Line Rate 6.4 Mbps 28 Mbps
    Data Transferred 0.55 MBytes 2.18 MBytes
    Output Power -4.3 dBm 2.2 dBm
    Line Attenuation 0.0 dB 18.8 dB
    Noise Margin 18.4 dB 23.4 dB

    myNBN puts my cable distance at about 430metres from the pillar. That's about my guestimate too.

    Here's the thing, when it came back up I checked my stats straight away and I swear it said 38/104. Must of trained down to a stable setting.

    http://www.speedtest.net/result/4876316285.png

  • 2015-Nov-28, 2:53 pm
    ysu

    Dan S writes...

    My appointment is booked in for tomorrow � I'm also using Skymesh. The opposite side of my street looks like they are getting trenches, while those of us on the inner part will get service via the pole. I got a call yesterday from NBN confirming that someone will be home so it all sounds like it is going ahead

    What's interesting is that I've talked to my direct neighbours, and they have all sorts of conflicting information � the right one has been told (not sure by whom) that they can't get a trench, and they'll have to wait till march-apr to get the aerial connection done. But they are my next door neighbour, a trench would have to go but a few meters further and it's all grass.

    The amount of misinformation going around and the lack of organisation is still mind boggling, methinks. I've had the trench done and now the box is on the side of the house; had they done the neighbour and maybe the next one again, it'd have been an hour or two extra work on the same day...organisation, organisation!

  • thebookfreak58

    Mr Expendable writes...

    myNBN puts my cable distance at about 430metres from the pillar. That's about my guestimate too.

    Hmmm...I woulda thought you should be syncing at closer to 100/40...?

  • Mr Expendable

    thebookfreak58 writes...

    Hmmm...I woulda thought you should be syncing at closer to 100/40...?

    Me too, but from what I have heard is that the copper in the area isn't that good. (Wyongah � Gorokan)

    Can anyone confirm that the dial tone for a landline line is much faster (machine gun fast) on FTTN than before?

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