Thanks.
I'm looking to obtain a list of areas covered by the DDDs � not certain I can get it though.
That would be great.
4NDG-03 has changed status to Testing and Activation.
How long after that till it goes live I wonder?
4NDG-03 has changed status to Testing and Activation.
The "Testing and Activation" status is simply a projection of the ready for service date provided by NBN Co on a monthly basis. When there is less than one month until the ready for service date, myNBN will display a "Testing and Activation" status as outlined in the FAQ on the site.
Ahh I see. So we don't actually know if they are actually at the testing and activation phase yet? I have seen quite a few cabinets around the area already, so must be close.
So we don't actually know if they are actually at the testing and activation phase yet? I have seen quite a few cabinets around the area already, so must be close.
No, we don't actually know � progress bars are only indicative based on work completion timelines outlined by NBN Co. However, the cabinets are a really good sign :)
However, the cabinets are a really good sign :)
As are the vans I've seen around the area doing the splicing.
@JXeeno � as you don't have a stats section for the Wireless progress, is there any chance of just putting a record counter at the bottom of the List of WSAMs page.
I am in a potential future NBN Wireless area, and having a record counter so I can see that there is 56 records when I filter by NSW, or 6 records when I filter by WA etc would be helpful for us 4% to track progress of the wireless rollout.
Cheers.
G'day Muz...
The reason behind not giving stats for fixed wireless was due to the reliability of the data. There are certain fixed wireless areas that were marked as "Work Commenced" and have since been removed from the plans all together.
From what I understand, as of last week, there were ~40,200 premises covered by Fixed Wireless.
However, I will look to build an overview (perhaps number of WSAMs) active.
The reason behind not giving stats for fixed wireless
Thats fine, I am not asking for a stats page for the wireless.
I am less interested in premises covered by wireless, and more interested in the number of towers active or under construction per state, so I can compare that to the number of towers expected to be required/licensed on ACMA etc and see the progress (or not) being made on the wireless rollout on a national and state basis. So a simple record counter on the List of WSAMs page would suffice for my needs.
Cheers :-)
Its sad to see the mynbn website now covered in unnecessary anti-Coalition propaganda.
Its sad to see the mynbn website now covered in unnecessary anti-Coalition propaganda.
I beg to differ. I believe there is nothing purely "anti-Coalition" on the website. I'm presenting a message of my support for a policy reconsideration and have outlined the reasons behind it on the front page. I have the right to lobby for what I think is a better option for the entire country.
The Coalition are already in power, so there is no point in being (as you say) anti-Coalition. However, I am against the Coalition's plans for the NBN. And since my website presents information regarding these plans, I feel that there is nothing wrong with informing my visitors.
e.g. under their new proposed policy, the Government has drastically changed the validity of the information on the website and as a result � I believe I need to inform my visitors that the information presented may no longer be valid, rather than mislead them.
No, we don't actually know � progress bars are only indicative based on work completion timelines outlined by NBN Co. However, the cabinets are a really good sign :)
So is the information updated on a daily basis?
So is the information updated on a daily basis?
- The projected status (e.g. Testing and Activation) is updated live.
- The activation status, i.e. if an area is live or not, is updated weekly.
- The estimated ready for service dates are updated monthly where NBN Co releases the Monthly Ready for Service reports � normally on the 10th working day of each month.
I believe there is nothing purely "anti-Coalition" on the website.
Your website is now smothered in it, as i'll demonstrate below.
I'm presenting a message of my support for a policy reconsideration and have outlined the reasons behind it on the front page.
Fair enough, but you could been apolitical about it but instead you choose to go the childish and political way.
EG: The roll out map is now smothered in bizarre pictures of Tony Abbots and Malcom Turnballs heads pulling weird faces where YOU "think" their fibre to the node is going to be rolled out. You obviously chose these specific pictures because they are pulling weird faces and you are trying to make them out to look like idiots/morons/retards.
People come to your website to use it as a tool, why would i or anyone else want to use a roll out map that's covered in this nonsense which makes it harder for us to see where the rollout is actually happening etc?
EG: Your use of a Labor Party political jibe of "Fruadband" and "National Fruadband Network" again, completely unnecessary and again completely smothered across the rollout map.
It's just disappointing...........
Is it possible to list the company doing to actual work rolling out the cable/etc per region?
JXeeno has put in hours, hours and hours of work on his site. Not to mention answering all related questions here on WP. It is his site and he is perfectly entitled to put whatever he wants on it. All the information presented is available from NBN Co's website so nobody is forced to use mynbn.info.
On another matter I think it will be interesting to see if any of the FTTN fans are so passionate about copper technology that they create a website to track the node roll out (if it ever eventuates)
I believe I need to inform my visitors that the information presented may no longer be valid, rather than mislead them.
And those pin's are the best way to do it?
As you said its up to you and it is pretty funny.
But 'Mr turnbull can you release more information about the NBN rollout so I can more accurately position the pictures of your head photoshopped to make you look like the devil?' maybe isn't the most convincing argument.
It would be nice if mynbn remained a data based site, there are plenty of advocacy sites out there (and many could do with a Jx spring clean in terms of design and layout).
t would be nice if mynbn remained a data based site,
Basically my point. I don't want to look at a map spammed with childish unnecessary things that don't help me track the NBN rollout whatsoever.
Looks like ill just have to go back to the official nbn website :(
Basically my point. I don't want to look at a map spammed with childish unnecessary things that don't help me track the NBN rollout whatsoever
This!
Looks like ill just have to go back to the official nbn website :(
Zzzz. I miss the speed at which things used to progress in here. :(
Zzzz. I miss the speed at which things used to progress in here. :(
Ahh well. Welcome to Malcolm Turnbulls NBN.
Zzzz. I miss the speed at which things used to progress in here. :(
And the amount of information available before it was made "open and transparent"
Zzzz. I miss the speed at which things used to progress in here. :(
Feature-wise, many small changes have been pushed overnight which were queued for deployment:
- FSAMs where "premises are in the process of being passed" and where early access has not been approved by the ACCC, these areas are now marked as "early access" with a new exception clause:
NBN Co appears to be nearing completion of this FSAM (or part of this FSAM). Parts of this FSAM are expected to be switched on in the course of the coming weeks.
e.g. http://www.mynbn.info/fsam/8CSU-02 - the exact premises passed is now also displayed next to the approximate premises count
- Build Commenced dates have been added to the FSAM history
- WSAM link to RFNSA has been removed (no longer worked) and replaced with a short paragraph on how to perform a search.
Information-wise:
- Rollout statistics page is still being worked on and is expected to feature the new information released weekly by NBN Co
- Weekly analysis of these statistics (as well as graphs) will be posted on the main rollout thread: /forum-replies.cfm?t=2175967&p=29#r569
- Pin generation code has now been optimised, now able to complete processing in less than 20 minutes.
Oh no not having a stab at you at all jxeeno. Just trying to bump the thread whilst having a winge about the current government.
Hi, just wondering what's going on with this region: 5SFD-04-p233
It's appeared on the map 'ready for service' as a subset of 5SFD-04. Yet it didn't exist on any previous maps (NBNCo or myNBN). Is this an 'early access' region? It's also not listed in the 'FSLAM Early Access' list:
It's appeared on the map 'ready for service' as a subset of 5SFD-04. Yet it didn't exist on any previous maps (NBNCo or myNBN). Is this an 'early access' region? It's also not listed in the 'FSLAM Early Access' list:
The early access data is updated separately from the main integration information. That should be updated later today. In terms of the actual listed status, I'm in the process of rewriting the code for that � NBN Co made some changes last week.
how do we get detail on individual FDA ID's ?
would be ideal if nbn published some of that network layout information about which 182 premises are connected to each FDA
how do we get detail on individual FDA ID's ?
If you want, whim me the details and I can look it up. I was planning on providing a search tool before my VPS provide went broke so I lost the scripts and database :/ It's being reworked though.
The early access data is updated separately from the main integration information. That should be updated later today. In terms of the actual listed status, I'm in the process of rewriting the code for that � NBN Co made some changes last week.
Cheers for the explanation jxeeno. Love your work.
Cheers for the explanation jxeeno. Love your work.
No worries, just an update that the information has been updated.
Also, I'm beginning a transition to a new data page layout � starting with the FSAM page. It's now in tabs instead of everything being displayed in a linear fashion on the page. Any feedback is appreciated :)
Updated myNBN with the new fibre RFS dates from this month.
myNBN Milestone 3 has just been pushed to production. A couple of feature requests have been implemented as well as general backend optimisations:
- Maps
- Map now includes removed areas for historical and comparison purposes only shaded as pink, blue and green (WC, 1Y, 3Y respectively)
- Search old Construction Commenced areas using address search functionality
- Mobile improvements for map (fullscreen)
- Design
- New styling for page titles
- New Features
- Lists latest activations in homepage and dedicated activations page
- Updated statistics based on Weekly Rollout Statistics, graphed
- Early Access Eligibility (as approved by ACCC)
- FDA Information � activated, number of premises, % serviceable and connected
- Corrections
- Minor FAQ corrections
I suspect there'll be some bugs and issues which will need to be addressed as they are discovered. Please let me know if you find any issues!
Cheers,
jxeeno
myNBN Milestone 3 has just been pushed to production.
thank you for all the hard work you have put into this, much appreciated.
Pity the news isn't prettier
Well done!
Awesome, great work
Map now includes removed areas for historical and comparison purposes only shaded as pink, blue and green (WC, 1Y, 3Y respectively)
Thanks jxeeno. Excellent work as always.
This will come in handy in keeping our local member to the Libs promises from before the election to complete areas that were in progress. They cant hide from it anymore, by reducing the amount of information available. Its right back in front of them now :)
Awesome update, but makes me sad as my area is shaded green :(
Map now includes removed areas for historical and comparison purposes only shaded as pink, blue and green
Thanks for all the hard work. This is great historic detail for people to reflect on.
Thanks for your good work jxeeno, I know now I am 460 m from the Toora wireless NBN tower, it's finished now, supposed to come online in Febuary. :)
It appears there was an issue with integration where the status for Build Contract Instructions for the 6VIC-04 FSAM was mistakenly marked as "Build Commenced" when no actual instructions were issued.
I suspected this was the case. When I first noticed the problem 6VIC-01 was missing as well. Thought it might have been a sign 6VIC-04 had started. It was the next area due to start. *fingers crossed* the rollout continues in my direction
Thought it might have been a sign 6VIC-04 had started. It was the next area due to start. *fingers crossed* the rollout continues in my direction
A technical question open for comment
I recall someone commenting on the Victoria Park (WA) thread that 6VIC08 appears to have priority and the inference that western side of the railway might be the only 6VIC to get fibre in the new time frame.
Is it possible that because 6VIC 04 has a lot of new high rise apartment developments (WA govt driven redevelopment) that won't be completed for a couple of years may be the reason for that? My understanding is that the fibre loop physically went through 6VIC 04, 06, then 05 (subject close to my hopes) and that was the order the planned completions were to take place. Is there a technical reason which would not allow 04 to be 'skipped' in part at least? I believe 6VIC 05 (and 04) has been rodded and roped and pits and pipe cleaned out so basically ready to go except for some pit replacements I suspect.
If 6VIC 08 has priority there is the suspicion that with quite a bit of work sighted in Cannington near Cannington Exchange/Carousel Shopping Centre and the highway back towards Vic Park, 6VIC 04, 05, 06 will miss out all together. It would seem stupid to haul new copper � a must in 05 as it disintegrates when techs are on site � where areas are ready to haul fibre.
Some news! I've been able to track down the files which rendered the old 1 year/3 year rollout "fuzzy boundaries" and I've updated myNBN to show it. All 1/3y boundaries are now as per pre-election.
I've been able to track down the files which rendered the old 1 year/3 year rollout "fuzzy boundaries" and I've updated myNBN to show it.
You're awesome!
All 1/3y boundaries are now as per pre-election.
Darn. My area was to commence in Q3 2014 but isn't even on the map now. :(
Some news! I've been able to track down the files which rendered the old 1 year/3 year rollout "fuzzy boundaries" and I've updated myNBN to show it. All 1/3y boundaries are now as per pre-election.
Great effort, and just for WA it's surprising just how many of even the original 1 year areas have been quietly removed.
Does having a FSA already built in my area (within 2-3kms max) give me good odds of getting fibre. My suburbs colour had changed and FSAM plans removed, although some green fields are being built in a very small patch of buildings.
Some news! I've been able to track down the files which rendered the old 1 year/3 year rollout "fuzzy boundaries" and I've updated myNBN to show it. All 1/3y boundaries are now as per pre-election.
Thanks very much for the effort here jxeeno and gr8t to see you submission getting a bit of air in the Senate with respect to the data being provided on the rollout!
Hi jxeeno,
Is it possible to create a full screen map view option?
e.g.
Some news! I've been able to track down the files which rendered the old 1 year/3 year rollout "fuzzy boundaries" and I've updated myNBN to show it. All 1/3y boundaries are now as per pre-election.
Top job! You never cease to amaze me!
Well done jxeeno, your doing a fantastic job. Unfortunately better than NBNco at the moment.
Well done jxeeno, your doing a fantastic job. Unfortunately better than NBNco at the moment.
Certainly more info available than from the "open and transparent" NBN Co ;)
Is it possible to create a full screen map view option?
Hey Wahroonga Farm,
You may use the mobile version for full screen version of the map. http://www.mynbn.info/mobilemap
Cheers,
jxeeno
And thanks y'all :) there appears to be some issues with the data. Some areas that were previously shaded as 1/3y are not appearing (the pins are there, just not the shading). Will be working with my sources to consolidate a more accurate version.
There will also be information regarding the copper switch off coming very soon.
You may use the mobile version for full screen version of the map. http://www.mynbn.info/mobilemap
Thanks. * * * * *
http://www.mynbn.info/mobilemap
So the ready date (3BRU-08), is that when they switch it on? Or will some streets be available before this date?
So the ready date (3BRU-08), is that when they switch it on? Or will some streets be available before this date?
squinly,
The "ready date" is NBN Co's "Expected Ready for Service" date for that Fibre Serving Area Module (3BRU-08). This is a best estimate by NBN Co accurate at the end of January as to when they expect to complete the rollout in your area.
At present, this date is Jan 2015.
NBN Co notes that greater than 3 months from present have greater uncertainty and may be drastically revised later or earlier. Check back around mid-month every month for an updated expected rollout date.
Cheers,
jxeeno
Does anyone know if NBNCo will be showing ETA on build commencing in areas any time soon?
Does anyone know if NBNCo will be showing ETA on build commencing in areas any time soon?
NBN Co does not currently provide ETAs for build commencement publicly, but has internal records of such targets. Even if such information was made available, based on current practises, it would be limited to retail service providers only who have signed confidentiality agreements.
Great effort, and just for WA it's surprising just how many of even the original 1 year areas have been quietly removed.
Just keep that in mind when you re-vote for the senate soon.
FSAMs that had Build Instructions issued in Feb won't necessarily be 'announced' by NBNCo until the mid-March update (still a few days away at least). They usually run about a month in arrears in that reporting.
any bets on a "big number" announcement, on the Wednesday before the Tassie elections, and again on the Wednesday before the new WA Senate elections.
"massage" the message
Last updated July 2013 but work done over the last 4 weeks. Data still not entered after such a period of time is very bad.
Please check to see if this last updated string has been changed now...
Just as a note, no status or data would have been changed irrespective of the last updated date because NBN Co does not change the Service Class until at least 90% of the premises are passed with fibre and the FSAM is declared Ready for Service. Until such time, everyone is on Service Class 0.
The last updated date refers to the last time the data was loaded on the database... not the date when the data was changed. Another phrase that can be used is "accurate as at" rather than "last updated".
As of now:
Last Updated
28 Feb 2014
I understand (to a degree lol) what people were saying its just the way my brain works. I consider all new works should be "updated" and cant see any reason why the latest data wouldn't be available.
But then I realise this is a government release and its wishful thinking to expect that from ANY govt (lets not start that again).
Cheers to everyone for their feedback and of course jx for the time/effort he/she puts into the website and keeping us informed.
I consider all new works should be "updated" and cant see any reason why the latest data wouldn't be available.
Under standard reporting, that granularity of status is not available for areas that have not been switched on yet. Once an area is switched on, however, service classes can be used to determine if a PCD is installed, or if an NTD is installed.
What would also be good is a " get connection tracker",
What would also be good is a " get connection tracker",
Any chance you could expand on that a little bit on the tracking? Do you mean a progressive tracking on how connection takeup?
Not sure if you can track it, But in Geraldton WA there are not many installers, people having to wait months to get connected.Or would it be keep calling your RSP.
I'll see what I can do...
Take-up progress per week by FSAM graphs now available for Brownfield FSAMs and Fixed Wireless Area Modules that are currently active. You can find this under the Stats tab of each FSAM/WSAM and by clicking the button.
.... Do you mean a progressive tracking on how connection takeup?
Perhaps a form where users submit the following data:
Install Request date.
NBN scheduled install date.
Address (Street and suburb only).
NBN Actual connection date (when known).
Then that data can be plotted on a google map. Or generate a "approximate wait time" for a connection.
Along the same lines as user sourced data: for the expanded HFC NBn. As Telstra, Transact etc don't publish maps � why don't we crowd source our own.
Users answer question;
Do you have Telstra / Optus / Transact � HFC at your address? Yes/No ?
Your Street/Suburb?
If you do have HFC, what's your speed.?
- This can again be plotted and overlayed with NBN Fibre maps.
I'll be creating some user-contributed information gathering soon now that the server architecture has changed to a replica-set database model. They'll be more news in the coming weeks.
NBN Fixed Wireless tower locations are now visible on the map with the light-green tower icon. You can click the tower to view more information.
NBN Fixed Wireless tower locations are now visible
Stunning.
http://s4.postimg.org/70vwrnr2l/Loira_7.jpg
Thanks as usual.
NBN Fixed Wireless tower locations are now visible on the map with the light-green tower icon. You can click the tower to view more information.
Great addition, thanks :)
NBN Fixed Wireless tower locations are now visible on the map with the light-green tower icon. You can click the tower to view more information.
Great! And it shows microwave link sites too! Thanks for all the work you put into this jxeeno :)
Cheers guys :) do let me know if anything can think of improvements to displaying tower data and also user-contributed data.
User-contributed pins and activity notes are in the works. Been doing some small data trials in Wulagi, NT with data from jarryd's map. Feel free to check that out if you wish, and leave some suggestions: http://www.mynbn.info/map#show:8CSU-03
The idea is to have pre-determined types e.g. FDH locations, fibre hauling, FTTN node installation... which can be verified by photographs if available.
http://www.mynbn.info/map#show:8CSU-03
The idea is to have pre-determined types e.g. FDH locations, fibre hauling, FTTN node installation... which can be verified by photographs if available.
very cool, that could be huge amounts of work but i do like it.
H jxeeno,
A small but annoying thing.
Is it possible to add the google map scale reference ie 1km = 1cm sort of thing.
http://s4.postimg.org/fkfapezf1/screenshot_288.png
Is this simply a missing map layer or is it a lot more complicated, since it does not exist on the NBN roll-out maps?
I'll admit when I saw the post on Facebook I was immediately horrified too!
Cut me some slack. I'm allowed to express my frustration about the lack of information publicly available.
+ eleventy :)
The lack of info from this "open and transparent" government is appalling.
I can now announce that the ACCC in a priority judgement have announced that the takeover of MyNBN by NBNco would 'substantially lessen competition in the NBN Rollout information environment' and therefore will be blocking the sale.
Oh well JX... back to the HSC for you ;)
Your sarcasm radar was accurate.
Oops. Sorry... I didn't think anyone here would be silly enough to actually support the Coalition plans.
And that WASN'T sarcasm!
I'm allowed to express my frustration about the lack of information publicly available.
I think your site is a testament to the lack of information available. You've been able to incorporate a lot of stuff that the rest of us would have difficulty finding � plus the stuff that the Coalition has hidden since taking office.
I think Malcolm Turnbull probably has a photo of you on the dartboard in his office!
I think the biggest problem with jxeeno is that he's only 17 and already achieved far more in terms of public service and guiding public opinion than most of us could hope to do in our whole careers!
Good going kid, way to show us up. :)
oh yea, a petition, that'll show 'em.....
*sigh* what a waste of time that will be.
NBN is a waste of time & money so im not sure why I even care anymore?
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NBN is a waste of time & money so im not sure why I even care anymore?
lol, you're the only one that can answer that......
Complaints may be made and updates on the progress of complaints obtained by contacting
our Complaints Team on the following
� the NBN Co website online form at �Contact Us�
www.nbnco.com.au/online_channel/contact_us
� by email to complaints@nbnco.com.au
� by phone to 1800 687 626
� by mail Complaint GPO Box 468 Brisbane QLD 4001
� by fax to Complaint Team 1800 106 033.
NBN Co will seek to acknowledge written complaints within 2 working days
Maybe start a petition and we can all sign it.
*sigh* what a waste of time that will be.
StraitVodka, I actually share the view that Quentin has put forward here � that is, a petition would be ineffective. We know from past experiences that petitions, regardless of signature volume, are ineffective in lobbying the Government. I actually started a petition a while back... but I never promoted it because I knew it was an impossible task that would achieve very little.
Directly contacting the Minister and NBN Co also doesn't seem to work at all... however, I am awaiting a reply from my local member. data.gov.au is an "official" channel which is supposed to promote an "open government". But I know the speed at which things are done, especially by the Communications department.
But I welcome any suggestions as to how I should proceed from here (if at all). I should also add that in-constructive personal criticisms are not welcome.
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But I welcome any suggestions as to how I should proceed from here
jxeeno, Turnbull is on Q&A tonight, maybe there's an opportunity to put up a hard-hitting question about transparency
jxeeno, Turnbull is on Q&A tonight, maybe there's an opportunity to put up a hard-hitting question about transparency
Already did :)
That should make interesting viewing.
ExcessivelyLongForumName writes...
That should make interesting viewing.
only if the question gets asked :(
which going on previous visits by Malcolm I doubt it will :(
ExcessivelyLongForumName writes...
That should make interesting viewing.
I expect not, the usual response is now well known...."there is no point publishing inaccurate data which misleads people"... this is the idea that the data relates only to plans and predictions, and that so far, the plans and predictions have all been entirely wrong.....closely followed by some kind of political comment
There is of course a natural problem in saying all plans are inaccurate in that NBNco actually need to have some plans to work from, and that there should be some level of confidence in the short term plans and predictions, even if the longer term ones are largely useless.
Of course that should not prevent publication of detailed factual information as it is known.
only if the question gets asked :(
which going on previous visits by Malcolm I doubt it will :(
At which point my Plasma screen is in mortal danger!
At which point my Plasma screen is in mortal danger!
think you might want to invest in a couple of lexan screens as used on mythbusters. just to protect the plasma
I pushed an update earlier this morning that was already completed before I announced the semi-archival mode.
- searching addresses on the map will now return NBN lookup data
P.S. I got an email... some data has been updated
Sweet, lets hope you get more email.
Hi all,
Just a quick update on how things are going with myNBN.
As some people would know, this issue of transparency was raised several times at Senate Estimates and Select Senate Committees on the NBN. I've also put, on the record, my concern about the lack of transparency in my testimony to the Senate committee.
After emailing CEO Bill Morrow, explaining my situation, I received an email late last week from NBN Co. I won't disclose the full contents of the email but it basically explains the removal of datasets as being an issue of accuracy, citing "overly optimistic" and "misleading impressions" of the rollout.
The email did go on to say that "there will be more information coming soon". With that last sentence in mind, I will consider this as potentially "light at the end of the tunnel".
Moving forward, I have a new and redesigned version of myNBN in the works. It's going to be rebuilt from the ground up with the MTM rollout in mind. I posted an early preview screenshot of the site on Twitter.
There is no ETA for this new version launches though, given my current time constraints. Real development work won't start for another 2-3 months once school concludes for me.
Again � thanks for everyone's ongoing support, and keep the data flowing in :)
Cheers,
jxeeno
Jxeeno � you are doing awesome work � not only in coding but also being actively involved in communication.
Keep up the good work. :)
Thanks jxeeno, not just for your awesome work, but also your cool diplomatic approach to the myriad political issues.
A perfect storm! :star:
Once again � love your work jxeeno. :)
+ inf
Succeeding where NBNCo fails!
In order to fail, first one must try!
So when i punch my addy into this for 4KLG-07 i am getting FTTP not FTTN?
So when i punch my addy into this for 4KLG-07 i am getting FTTP not FTTN?
That would be correct. 4KLG-07 is part of the current FTTP rollout
The only exception that might fall out of the FTTP rollout would be apartment / units with ~100 premises within this FSAM. They might be considered for FTTB (Fibre to the Building).
Visit mynbn.info
Little late to this, NBN hasn't shown me anything and only now found this.
Oh no, we were unable to locate your address under the fibre build commenced or active footprints.
That's what I get first hit for my address. Nearby suburb shows the previous 3 year plan for FSA with Q2 2015. So does this mean "something" is happening or that's just what I already knew � I was getting NBN until Liberals came around?
add: what is FSA anyway beyond the glossary entry?
That's what I get first hit for my address. Nearby suburb shows the previous 3 year plan for FSA with Q2 2015. So does this mean "something" is happening or that's just what I already knew � I was getting NBN until Liberals came around?
I have a new version of the site coming out in a few weeks which should clarify a few things.
But... unless otherwise indicated, anything under the "previous 1 or 3 year plan" is not under the current rollout. All rollout plans were basically ditched after the change of management. It doesn't look like an NBN rollout plan will be made public for a few months yet (at best).
what is FSA anyway beyond the glossary entry?
I'll explain relative to the Telstra network:
- FSA (Fixed-Line Service Area) is like a Telstra ESA (Exchange Service Area)
- typically, an FSA covers an entire suburb or several towns, just like an Telstra ESA does
- it only represents the fixed-line portion of the NBN rollout. (i.e. excludes fixed wireless and satellite)
- a FSA is serviced by a common FAN (Fibre Access Node) site, typically located within an existing Telstra exchange where NBN Co has rented rack space.
Hey jxeeno, GG on your exams! I'm sure you aced them.
Got a question on the address look-up on your site � is that bringing back live NBNCo results? Because apparently my place is ready to be hooked-up (install on Monday) yet every place I've checked reports my house as SC0 still. And we've not seen them actually pull fibre through the new pits yet...
Looking forward to myNBN 3.0! :D
Got a question on the address look-up on your site � is that bringing back live NBNCo results? Because apparently my place is ready to be hooked-up (install on Monday) yet every place I've checked reports my house as SC0 still. And we've not seen them actually pull fibre through the new pits yet...
Currently, address lookup pulls data straight from the latest version of the NBN rollout map. So, it can be off by up to a week. I'm also not sure if SC0 data is returned... from what I remember, I didn't code that in (oops).
Next version of myNBN (myNBN 2.0) will use a triple-check system to see if you're able to order a service. I'm not sure if it will do live-check of SC0 at this time though... I'll have to see.
I have learnt a lot about how it all hangs together for me through "MyNBN".
So yes, thanks for providing this info.
I know now that my wireless tower (2YON) connects to the Wagga Wagga POI (2WAG)
As I understand it now 2WAG is not yet connected to NBN fibre.
The next question for me is: is there a way to find out when 2WAG will be hooked up to NBN fibre.
Does anyone know?
I have a new version of the site coming out in a few weeks which should clarify a few things.
Thanks for the explanation, so I can still see what I knew was happening but now they've got no idea and it's almost 2015.. I doubt I'll see NBN by the previous timeframe and this stuff was meant to get cheaper and faster for all. Ok.
I doubt I'll see NBN by the previous timeframe and this stuff was meant to get cheaper and faster for all. Ok.
You are reeking the benefits of the now voted in Government and its Policies (and you ain't seen nothin' yet).
bugger, install stops 1 street away :(
You are reeking the benefits of the now voted in Government and its Policies (and you ain't seen nothin' yet).
Not sure if this was a typo, or deliberate...
... but either way, brownie-points to you !
:)
Sir Arrowflight KCMG writes...
... but either way, brownie-points to you !
Well I reckon that's why it was reeking :)
Hi Guys,
So the new part of my area is getting fibre. I drove around it today and found the FDH. I have an idea as to where the FSAM is but didn't think they would extend this far.
I am curious as to whether NBNco will extend the fibre to my part of the area since we have new houses popping up.
If not I am hoping the network extension program is put back into action.
Hey mate are there any news about when ( 9mns fsa ) will get nbn ?
can u do fttn maps for canberra plz
In www.mynbn.info they have 8DRW-06 as: Expected Ready for Service Date 21 Nov 2014 � this was last Friday...
Where can I find current status, revised expected date??
In www.mynbn.info they have 8DRW-06 as: Expected Ready for Service Date 21 Nov 2014 � this was last Friday...
Where can I find current status, revised expected date??
NBN Co has switched on the area late last night.
As a note, the dates listed on the website are indicative and may be off by a few days :) While I try to keep them up to date, NBN Co only officially updates them once a month... and they don't release it directly to the public either. So those dates are sourced monthly and updated as soon as feasible.
can u do fttn maps for canberra plz
I'm working on a brand new solution for FTTN maps. Unfortunately, I'm still working out how to get the ACT LPI.
Once that's done and we have the resources to crawl parts of the ACT for Telstra pillars, we can get some analysis done.
I'll also be opening up to crowd-contribution into the future to speed up the process :)
NBN Co has switched on the area late last night.
No rush on it as I'm not home for a week or so still but 2PTH-03 was also to go live on the 21st Nov, wonder if the RFS switch was clicked as well?
Looks like that's 4 streets away from me so they haven't brought all of Blair Athol online, wonder when the rest will be done?
Who knows. 4 streets away from me was in the initial rollout for my area (2 years ago became active) but my end of the suburb is still without any mention.
Media Release
Malcolm Turnbull to join the myNBN team to announce joint venture
We are pleased to announce that the Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP, will be joining the myNBN.info team as Lead Data Acqusition Manager starting today after resigning as the Minister for Communications this early morning.
myNBN�s General Manager for Data Visualisation, Timothy Mead said:
"Malcom brings with him his extensive experience with dealing with the NBN board and NBN executives in getting actual useful information from the management. We are so pleased to have him on board."
Malcolm will coordinate with NBN Co to launch the first joint venture between myNBN.info and NBN Co -- the 6 year NBN rollout map. This new map and plan will contain detailed information to the public, including an indicative expected availability^, and information about the technology choice used in your particular area*.
The industry leading map is one of NBN Co's latest efforts to reflect the Government�s requirements for greater transparency** as set out in the Statement of Expectations to NBN Co. myNBN.info will play a major role in ensuring this data is presented in an user-friendly manner.
NBN Co's Lead Website User Experience Director, Krem Lyn said:
"Starting tomorrow, the entire map of Australia will be shaded pink to indicate that build will commence in these areas before 2020. Like last December's release of the 18 month rollout plan, this 6 year rollout plan and map will help provide certainty to the Australian community that the NBN will be rolled out before 2020 across Australia, while not providing any further breakdown of dates beyond that."
In working with NBN Co to deliver this updated rollout map, myNBN�s General Manager for Data Visualisation, Timothy Mead said:
"To minimise confusion, NBN Co will only utilise a single colour and name to represent the technology across the rollout of Australia. We think the colour pink reflects our Multi-Technology Mix footprint magnificently."
"This means that everyone in Australia will get the same level of confidence that the NBN will come to you - irrespective of what NBN Co intends to rollout in your area: Satellite, Fixed Wireless, Fibre to the Premises, Fibre to the Node, Fibre to the Basement or (fibre-like super high speed internet over) HFC cable (using industry-leading DOCSIS 3.1 technology which NBN Co will be one of the first companies in the world to rollout)."
NBN Co's Chief Technology Agnosticist said:
"The actual technology types are just labels. They don't really tell the full picture. So, as Malcom suggested, we've decided to stick with three-word slogans that everyone knows best and we think "Multi-Technology Mix" ticks this box very well."
This updated rollout map weeks of preparatory work between the myNBN team lead by Malcolm Turnbull and NBN Co.
To ensure the data's integrity and format consistency with other data on NBN Co's website, the map will only be published in an A4 print out in PDF format.
Media enquiries: media@mynbn.info
^ Like the 18 month plan, NBN Co will state that all areas listed will be expected to commence build within 6 years. We won't tell the public when within these 6 years though.
* The choice of technology used by NBN Co for all areas is the "Multi-Technology Mix". NBN Co cannot provide a further breakdown of technology beyond that of the "Multi-Technology Mix"
** Transparency only applies to certain aspects of the NBN Co. Actual information that is useful to tax-payers and Australian residents such as expected availability dates may be excluded to ensure the accuracy of information and to remove the slightest possibility that we may be accused of missing a target.
Yes, this is an April Fools' joke. I acknowledge that satire isn't everyone's cup of tea, but there is a serious side to this.
As I have outlined clearly on this thread and continually advocated in my spare time and with my money, the lack of transparency that NBN Co provides to the public -- especially regarding its current rollout is very disappointing.
Having personally contacted the CEO of NBN Co, the Minister for Communications and various parties within NBN Co -- I have been unsuccessful in persuading them to release rollout datasets to the public.
This "media release" merely points out the inadequacies of what NBN Co calls "transparent" information available on their website.
A massive thanks to everyone who's visited, shared and supported the site. I will continue to pressure and ask the parties involved in the rollout to be more transparent on behalf of the over half a million Australians who have visited myNBN over the past 2 years.
We are pleased to announce that the Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP, will be joining the myNBN.info team as Lead Data Acqusition Manager starting today after resigning as the Minister for Communications this early morning.
My jaw almost dropped! I was like, omg~!, the dark hadou is coming~!
it's like people don't even bother trying any more...
Full-Metal-Alchemist writes...
My jaw almost dropped! I was like, omg~!, the dark hadou is coming~!
Ahhh funny, since its April 1st and all
** Transparency only applies to certain aspects of the NBN Co. Actual information that is useful to tax-payers and Australian residents such as expected availability dates may be excluded to ensure the accuracy of information and to remove the slightest possibility that we may be accused of missing a target.
There's a lot of accuracy in this statement!
since its April 1st and all
(posted Today at 12:43 am)
(edited Today at 12:55 am)
The post by Kenneth Tsang was obviously written yesterday (March 31st). Just a pity that it was uploaded this morning, pulling the wool over your eyes (and many others?).
Where is the Like button when it's needed?
My hat is off to you Sir!
Media Release
Malcolm Turnbull to join the myNBN team to announce joint venture
And an even funnier release on April 1st 2015 � and I quote!
The latest WA suburbs earmarked to receive the long-awaited National Broadband Network have been announced, with 79,000 homes in areas surrounding Fremantle, Bassendean and regional centres such as Broome to be targeted for the rollout.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/th
*Note the Sandgropers must be pissing themselves laughing here � given that in the 18 months since taking control of NBN Co they pretty much have done SFA in WA!
the other side of the main road they are rolling it out but looks like I am still a long way off of getting it
Media Release
Malcolm Turnbull to join the myNBN team to announce joint venture
Excellent post.
You did omit to mention that the NBNCo is to undergo a major shake up wherein the 2800+ employees will have to get out of their comfy chairs and air conditioned offices and actually perform to, as a minimum, a mediocre commercial standard :p
the Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP, will be joining the myNBN.info team as Lead Data Acqusition Manager starting today after resigning as the Minister for Communications this early morning.
Kenneth,
Do you know of any reason why this hasn't hit the MSM? Or, is it not so?
Do you know of any reason why this hasn't hit the MSM? Or, is it not so?
Check the date and time of his post for your answer. :)
A massive thanks to everyone who's visited, shared and supported the site.
No, Kenneth, thank you for all your efforts into creating the definitive NBN information supprepository. Seriously, speaking as a consulting engineer tracking greenfields, a guy actually doing his university thesis on the NBN and an angry Central Coastie with no internet, the lengths you've gone to to create and maintain this website has had a massive impact on my work and sanity.
I literally do visit it every single day.
is it not so?
Your edit at 10:30 a.m. today is too late.
I guess I'll just have to put it down to a degree of immaturity on your part.
Your edit at 10:30 a.m. today is too late.
Yes, I appended a reflective statement at 10:30am today. But I thought quotes like below would have clearly given it away:
NBN Co's Chief Technology Agnosticist said:
"The actual technology types are just labels. They don't really tell the full picture. So, as Malcom suggested, we've decided to stick with three-word slogans that everyone knows best and we think "Multi-Technology Mix" ticks this box very well."
I guess I'll just have to put it down to a degree of immaturity on your part.
I guess I'll just put YOUR comment down to a degree of gullibility on your part. ;)
Do you know of any reason why this hasn't hit the MSM? Or, is it not so?
:)
I've got to join the chorus and just say how an amazing piece of work you have done
If only government could provide such a great resource so we could know what was happening :)
New feature -- free subscription
Consumers can now sign up to a free subscription service which will email-notify when the rollout status for their location is updated. You can sign up for this feature here
Great work on the new site, like some others in this thread I'm also unable to sign up for the subscription, I get "unable to determine the location ID" even though my address is within a build commenced zone. is this because I'm not in the NBN database or maybe just related to my house being recently built?
Once again great work on the new site.
Great work on the new site, like some others in this thread I'm also unable to sign up for the subscription, I get "unable to determine the location ID" even though my address is within a build commenced zone. is this because I'm not in the NBN database or maybe just related to my house being recently built?
Hey Paulie99,
It's more likely that Google Maps doesn't have the address yet.
Could you whim me the address, I'll see if I can fix it :)
Jxeeno � Just where did the new FTTN Rfs dates come from? Can you provide a link?
Thanks
Jxeeno � Just where did the new FTTN Rfs dates come from? Can you provide a link?
Hi,
They were given to me, but can't say where or who. I know that they are from a reputable source though.
Cheers
Thanks for that... yes they look legit and reasonable...
Any idea about them deploying FTTd/p also?
New feature � 18 month rollout map/build & RFS dates
Hi jxeeno,
I am curious how you are handling areas like 6APP-05 which were in Build Prep and then disappeared from the rollout map? At the moment this area appears as "No service" when I type an address but the 6APP-05 SAM is actually listed when I expand on 6APP FSA (whereas 6APP-06 which has not yet entered Build Prep doesn't appear at all).
I thought it would be nice to at least identify SAMs which were previously in Build Prep but now removed (e.g. 'Build Prep completed' or 'awaiting Build' as distinct from just 'Build Prep') since once they come back they should go directly to Build.
Of course this assumes Build Prep SAMs which were removed had the Build Prep completed (as was the case in 6APP-05) rather than partially completed or not at all.
New feature � free subscription
Consumers can now sign up to a free subscription service which will email-notify when the rollout status for their location is updated. You can sign up for this feature here
You've beaten NBN Co to it by a few weeks on this one ;-)
You've beaten NBN Co to it by a few weeks on this one ;-)
Mine will provide RFS date changes too, so unless they do too (which I would applaud if they do!), hopefully it has the edge ;-)
Mine will provide RFS date changes too, so unless they do too (which I would applaud if they do!), hopefully it has the edge ;-)
Hope we will be able to see how that has changed over time too. :)
Mine will provide RFS date changes too,
Your always one or more steps ahead of them ... I continue to congratulate you on your excellent site
I read with interest up above your deploying Google Map service
Use the best, forget the rest!!
Have you any intel on what FTTn recently established � the Down AND Up speeds they are getting?
Cheers
Claudekrowe
According to mynbn.info, I'm on 18 months plan with estimated first build, Q1 2016, with FTTN technology. Can I upgrade it to FTTP once FTTN is ready at my place? I hope it doesn't cost a lot of money.
Full-Metal-Alchemist writes...
According to mynbn.info, I'm on 18 months plan with estimated first build, Q1 2016, with FTTN technology. Can I upgrade it to FTTP once FTTN is ready at my place? I hope it doesn't cost a lot of money.
It will cost you a hefty penny, but you can apply for it here: http://www.nbnco.com.au/conne
I read with interest up above your deploying Google Map service
Use the best, forget the rest!!
Google Maps data is pretty decent, but pretty useless in new areas since they don't update their data that frequently. That's problematic for the NBN rollout because so much of it is Greenfields areas at the moment.
Have you any intel on what FTTn recently established � the Down AND Up speeds they are getting?
Other than what's public available, no. More speed estimates, thanks to the work of Mr Mac, will be coming soon to myNBN though.
I can't seem to find if James Riley Dr in Glenmore Park / Mulgoa Rise new development in NSW is ready to go.
I'm trying to ascertain what service providers service the area. Nbnco have advised me via email the area is "active" but the address is not on Google maps etc
Some service providers like tpg and iinet have it as available on their website.
I get keys 8 May and want to have the net connected asap. What's the typical lead time for an nbn install?
reasonable.
Gorokan being switched on before the original trial rollout in Umina? It's very interesting, to say the least.
Do you plan on integrating the old fttn.mynbn.info with the new site? It'd be nothing short of awesome.
Also - where is the Epping Victoria FTTN rollout on there? Did it actually end up falling flat on its face?
Awesome update on the website, this is THE resource for NBN build info!
Thanks for providing such an awesome service.
Hey Jxeeno,
Just punched my address into the new v2 map and found something that I didn't expect.
The other half of my suburb is getting FTTP built at the moment. My address (Elissa Crescent, Wyoming, New South Wales, Australia) falls under a different Telstra exchange area than what the other half of my suburb is which is why I figured that was where the FTTP rollout stopped.
Putting my address into the site results in FTTP but the build dates don't make sense. Have the FTTP build dates that you specify been obtained from a special source as well as the FTTN dates? Or is there a mistake somewhere? Further into the next suburb (on the same Telstra exhange as me) it is definitely an FTTN area in the 18 month plan.
New site is pretty sweet S**** all over the nbnco site.
:D
site is pretty sweet S**** all over the nbnco site.
He puts NBNCO website to shame!
Hahahahaha :D
Love your work jxeeno! Very well executed indeed.
And sorry to keep going with the FTTN talk, but I'm wondering about the blanket March 2015 Build Commenced date for all the trial areas here. They seem to contradict the Build Commenced dates on the Service Area List. Belmont for instance is Sept 2014 there and was certainly being built at the time, so that would seem the more accurate date.
If you get bored, make a way for people to report what isp they are on, what technology they are connected with, which poi interconnect they sit on and what speeds they get, and what date the data was recorded, then it asks them to verify their report regularly so the data is updated.
Then we could all see where the slowness is within the national networks.
Love your work jxeeno! Very well executed indeed.
Thanks :)
And sorry to keep going with the FTTN talk, but I'm wondering about the blanket March 2015 Build Commenced date for all the trial areas here.
Ahh, that's an issue. I'll try and get it fixed � thanks!
Hi jxeeno,
I just checked:
http://www.mynbn.inf
where 6APP is listed as 'Last Build completes' in Q1 2016 whereas 6SPT and 6VIC which are more advanced (especially 6VIC which has only two FSAMs in Build Prep to mop up) has Q2 2016.
Where did you get the 'Last Build completes' information from and for which FSAMs in an FSA does it apply to? Obviously something is a amiss with the 6APP, I don't see the 'Last Build completes' until at least Q2 2017 given 6APP-05, 6APP-06 and 6APP-07 have not even entered Build yet and Telstra was the DP for these FSAMs according to the December 2014 Senate hearing minutes:
http://www.aph.gov.a
ADDITIONAL: Also when looking at:
http://www.mynbn.info/sa/6APP
It seems to include 6APP-05 now MIA as part of the 16,657 premises which will get FTTP out of the total 23,600 premises in the FSA .... what a mess .. sorry jxeeno ,,,, you have designed a brilliant site and should win top awards for web UI design but as they say .... garbage in _________________
Hi Pete,
6APP is listed as 'Last Build completes' in Q1 2016 whereas 6SPT and 6VIC which are more advanced (especially 6VIC which has only two FSAMs in Build Prep to mop up) has Q2 2016.
Your analysis is logical, but I think something has changed a lot with 6APP since Dec 2014.
- 6APP is a bit out of whack, but according to data I have, there will only be 5 SAMs in 6APP. The last one being 6APP-07, with build expected to commence in April 2015 (on the map next month) and expected RFS of Q1-2015.
- 6SPT will have a total of 8 SAMs with two more SAMs to enter build: 6SPT-08 and 6SPT-05. It's expected either one or both of those will be RFS by Q2-2016
- and 6VIC will have a total of 10 SAMs, the final two which are currently in build prep will enter build phase on Apr-2015 and May-2015. It's expected either one or both of those will be RFS by Q2-2016
- so, since 6APP only has one SAM remaining � it is logical to have Q1-2015 as its last build completion date. The other two FSAs (6SPT and 6VIC) will have to live on for an extra qtr before their two final SAMs are completed.
Where did you get the 'Last Build completes' information from and for which FSAMs in an FSA does it apply to?
It's from an expanded version of the 18 month plan. But it's not public, unfortunately.
Thanks mate. Love your work :-)
6APP is a bit out of whack, but according to data I have, there will only be 5 SAMs in 6APP. The last one being 6APP-07, with build expected to commence in April 2015 (on the map next month) and expected RFS of Q1-2015.
Sorry but this completely defies any logic, the former 6APP-05, 6APP-06 and 6APP-08 are part of the same HFC network together with 6APP-07 which originate from Bateman exchange. As such these FSAMs can no longer go to HFC (or even FTTN) build if 6APP-07 goes to FTTP and overbuilds the HFC network which originates out of it! And this does not even consider the fact 6APP-05 went to Build Prep late last year before being removed.
I can only assume the politics at NBN are running red hot and they are desperate to move on all those promised FTTN builds which have to be in play by September 2016, not to mention new SAMs for the HFC builds; the cracks are beginning to show and they are starting to make mistakes.
Apologies for shooting the messenger, you are doing a great job jxeeno, too bad the same can no longer be said about NBN and Co.
Sorry but this completely defies any logic, the former 6APP-05, 6APP-06 and 6APP-08 are part of the same HFC network together with 6APP-07 which originate from Bateman exchange. As such these FSAMs can no longer go to HFC (or even FTTN) build if 6APP-07 goes to FTTP and overbuilds the HFC network which originates out of it! And this does not even consider the fact 6APP-05 went to Build Prep late last year before being removed.
Okay, after reassessing the data, I don't know if I can put total trust in that "5 SAM" figre. It looks like that the issue here is that this data deliberately excludes SAMs with HFC footprint, thus only counting 5. The current areas that are ready, or in build and build prep are the "FTTP-only" FSAMs.
The remainder will go through the so-called Multi-Technology Mix, but probably won't get added until the HFC product is a bit more "finalised". That will increase the SAM count back up to 11.
I will look to clarify the way I define "last build finishes". But it sure is confusing as hell.
One last point though. My understanding is that NBN Co is essentially running its own HFC network up to the nearest optical node in the HFC network. Where the current HFC network originates from doesn't really matter.
My understanding is that NBN Co is essentially running its own HFC network up to the nearest optical node in the HFC network.
Ah yes but the design principles clearly state NBN Co will try to ensure areas have a consistent technology, if 6APP-05 goes to HFC it will be surrounded by FTTP to the north east and FTTN to the south west. Also seems silly to have only one SAM in an HFC area go to FTTP while the remainder go to HFC, especially when the other area (6APP-05) at the opposite end completed Build Prep for FTTP, a double waste!
I think what has happened is that NBN has fed you the details of what they intend to do in the next quarter only, not from now until Sept 2016. So the remaining SAMs in 6APP will go to FTTP but NBN have not planned that yet for the next 3 months.
I predict we will see 6APP-05 enter Build around Sept 2015 when 6APP-07 is completed (I notice it only takes 6 months for the core FTTP Build, the other 6 months are for the lead-in connections) but at the moment NBN doesn't even know that as they can''t think that far ahead (their crystal ball gazing is restricted to FTTN where they are able to predict 25,000 premises in Hilton and Bassendean will go to Build by Sept 2016 when they are still trialling FTTN!).
Thanks Kenneth,
It's awesome! :star:
It's awesome! :star:
Fully agree, only let down by the data provided by NBN Co.
The best way to use the mynbn information are the details provided for the areas in RFS or Build only (I note the FDH DA details are provided, that is certainly cool!), all other information can be considered as tentative at this stage (especially areas in Build Prep which can suddenly disappear on a whim, and anything to do with FTTN which is pure speculation).
We have more accurate information.
Thanks. Fingers crossed 3NPR gets far enough down the track in September 2016 that when the federal government changes we don't get put on hold :-). Great job on the site!
Jxeeno , I am unable to find 5GAW-02 on the rollout tracker . Does this area still exist in the Fibre roll out ? Is it incorporated in 5GAW still ? Any info would be appreciated .
Looking very good indeed mate.
One request � on the front page of the old site you listed the latest activations, if you could sneak that list somewhere into the new site that would be awesome.
Of course, if it's already there feel free to let me know I haven't looked hard enough :)
He's working on it :)
I did enjoy checking the home page of the old myNBN to see which new areas have gone RFS today, and whether they match Telstra's list.
Ah, coming back soon :) you can still get it here http://v1.mynbn.info/recent
Thanks Diggy and J, I missed that post.
I know you like bug reports ;)
:P
Just curious, 2LID-07 is marked as RFS on V1 but it's still in Build Commenced (and heavily delayed) in V2. Devoted NBN SQ tool says it's ready to go, so might need to sync your data sources :)
Thanks! I think I've found the rogue code that's causing the sync issues.
Also, on smaller screens, the social buttons on the right hand side make it impossible to 'X' the 'beta' pop-up � well, almost impossible, removing it manually with Inspect Element does the trick.
I'll remove those social buttons for now... they weren't really that effective anyway :)
Just another thing � it's probably just a Google Maps thing that you can't do anything about, but scrolling around the map lags like absolute hell on my laptop (2008 era, Core 2 Duo, MacBook) thanks to the new orange shading everywhere. It's fine on my gaming PC, of course :)
Thanks for the feedback, I'll look for a possible solution. At present, I get Google Maps to render the whole shading at once... it would probably make it easier for the computer to render parts that are close to the viewport.
One last question � the automatic check for recent activations � does that happen every 24 hours? Faster, slower, when the data is pushed? (Sorry I'm being irritable, my area is meant to be RFS today!)
It happens a little more frequent than that. Next run is at 3 o'clock. Continue to check on myNBN v1 for now, my NBN scripts had exceeded its weekly run limits due to the change of the nbn website this week.
can u get this information , nbn constrution between isabella drive and athlon drive at canberra
nbn website this week
Wait, the nbnTM website actually contains useful information? o.0
Wait, the nbnTM website actually contains useful information? o.0
In some ways... some data like provider lists are still reliant on the nbnTM website... as are the current rollout maps.
Hi jxeeno,
Top job on the new site!
I don't have a clue if this is possible...but in order to have a "big picture" view on the national rollout is it feasible to have a state by state breakdown by date of when "build instructions" were issued for each
FSAM.
I guess it would need to be limited either by number or date.
Thanks and where is that donate button :)
Thanks and where is that donate button :)
maybe you could look on his blog, never know what you might find
an u get this information , nbn constrution between isabella drive and athlon drive at canberra
It doesn't show back-haul construction.
Top job on the new site!
Thanks!
I don't have a clue if this is possible...but in order to have a "big picture" view on the national rollout is it feasible to have a state by state breakdown by date of when "build instructions" were issued for each
FSAM.
It's not really possible to do it without some data wrangling in an Excel spreadsheet. You can get a vague idea by going to a state-list of FTTP rollouts and noting the build commenced column there, filter/sort accordingly on an Excel spreadsheet.
The way that the database is structure at the moment makes it a bit hard to sort by build dates. I'm considering two options � replicating date fields in the rollout region table or doing SQL table views. It's something I'm definitely considering.
Thanks and where is that donate button :)
Thanks, but I'm no longer asking for donations on myNBN because I (will) rely on advertising to help run the site :)
Statistics are back(-ish): http://www.mynbn.info/stats
FSAM counts and other non-NBN provided statistics will also be added soon.
What a brilliant site jxeeno.
Looks absolutely beautiful :)
I was wondering if you could possibly answer a question about nbns mapping as you seem to know your way around their systems.
I have a friend who has a property in Darley, Victoria. For some reason the street he lives in is not listed in Google Maps (Darley Drive, Darley, Vic) even though a dozen properties have lived on it for 5 years now. https://www.google.com.au/map
The street shows correctly on Bing maps though. http://binged.it/1J6s5dP
How does information on the rollout to his property work when nbn do not recognise his street because they utilise Google Maps who for some reason do not even show his street as existing?
Hopefully that makes sense and sorry if this is offtopic to your tracker.
Thanks.
maybe you could look on his blog, never know what you might find
Thanks found it an used it. A great effort jxeeno. Much appreciated.
Awesome work and keep it up, it just makes sad looking at map and stats, NBN is just on the cusp of greatness and got destroyed.
I've been getting a lot of angry emails and complaints... because of some confusion to how SAMs and Rollout Regions relate to the FSAM structure in the old site. For the benefit of the Whirlpool community, I thought I'd give a bit of an explainer:
Previously on the v1 site, FSAMs were regarded as the "ultimate rollout block" which all information was associated to. An FSAM was given a "ready for service" date, amongst other things.
However, as the NBN rollout evolved, an FSAM was no longer built in its entirety at first instance. The introduction of infill areas (INFs), service continuity regions (SCRs) and Fibre to the Basement rollouts (FTBs) meant that each FSAM (now SAM) had multiple ready for service dates and multiple technologies and multiple everything. This will only get more complicated with the MTM rollout ahead.
To overcome this issue, an extra abstraction layer is needed -- the rollout region (under the MTM, this may be called a rollout area block -- RAB). A rollout region can be thought of as a construction block within an SAM -- meaning a ready for service date is associated with the rollout region and not the SAM. As are build commencement dates, and disconnection dates.
It's important to note that a rollout region does not represent a single technology either. Technology is defined at the ADA (Access Distribution Area) level.
I must emphasise that while I understand there is confusion in this change of abstraction, it is essential for this change to occur to accurately depict the rollout of the NBN.
Feel free to post any questions below... and I'll try and answer them. Because if you're confused, then many other people will also be confused.
I've been getting a lot of angry emails and complaints...
Hmm how does this go again:
"no good deed deserves to go unpunished" ?
Seriously my complaints are first and foremost with the accuracy and relevance of the data provided by NBN which the new mynbn can only do but highlight ... another saying springs to mind:
"don't shoot the messenger!"
Your mynbn site should win a few awards, any UI or software design competitions we can nominate you for?
"don't shoot the messenger!"
+ 1 on this. Jxeeno does not deserve angry emails and complaints. If you have a problem/question, ask him about it. Remember, all the info he uses comes from NBN and we all know the accuracy of that.
Your mynbn site should win a few awards,
+ 1 on this too.
Feel free to post any questions below... and I'll try and answer them. Because if you're confused, then many other people will also be confused.
Please let us know how many questions you get from NBN :)
Please let us know how many questions you get from NBN :
there is likely to be only one.
How the heck do you do that on your own?
We pay lots of people lots of money and still have nothing as professional
How the heck do you do that on your own?
Exactly.
jxeeno you are a dead set legend mate!
I've been getting a lot of angry emails and complaints... because of some confusion to how SAMs and Rollout Regions relate to the FSAM structure in the old site. For the benefit of the Whirlpool community, I thought I'd give a bit of an explainer:
You don't deserve those angry emails.
You are a legend! No body should expect you to do a perfect job. NBN [Co?] are paid to do the same job!!!
Using micronodes would be a fibre to the distribution point network, which is not currently planned for NBN.
Like ADSL, folks lucky enough to have short line lengths will get (much) better speeds than those at hundreds of meters.
1) I went to look for my Pillar and found it on the next street. By car odometer it's between 200-300m and using "Here" map it comes to 210m
That is very good news for you. But the next thing you need to consider is how likely it is they will build a node at or near your pillar. How many other premises are there in you DA?
NBN's target ratio that they keep announcing in their press releases (but have not published build standards) is 1 node : 200 premises. However in my town there are about 140 pillars, yet under 10,000 premises or about 70 premises per DA.
If you can, it might be worth tracing your pillar's trunk back to the exchange or CMUX, and perhaps downstream as well. You may get an idea of where they may - or may not - build nodes.
Just be warned, you may not like what you find. My DA has 99 premises, and the nearest upstream one 98. The nearest downstream one is over 1000m away, so I think the chances of there being a node at my pillar are slightly lower than NBN deciding to build me FTTP.
Well there you go complicating things lol, I have no idea beyond this.
http://www.mynbn.info/sa/2BER/
Either way finally seeing some progress even if it might be guess work thanks to NBN.
Quick question, what is the difference between the service class and how can one found out which service class their house/area is?
Hey guys,
I think this has been a bit off topic... primarily because the new myNBN doesn't have FTTN analysis (yet). The FTTN thread (/forum-replies.cfm?t=2368497) may be a more appropriate location to discuss node and pillar location / speeds, etc...
Quick question, what is the difference between the service class and how can one found out which service class their house/area is?
Service Class definitions can be found in the FAQ: http://www.mynbn.info/faq/list
how can one found out which service class their house/area is?
A service class is assigned to a particular location. myNBN only displays service classes for locations in areas that are expected to be ready for service within 6 months.
You can use alternative sources like DeVoteD NBN's SQ tool to check the SQ for locations around Australia... however, our guess is that the data is mostly unreliable unless your area is already in build thanks to some data fiddling done recently by NBN Co.
Service Class definitions can be found in the FAQ: http://www.mynbn.info/faq/list
Sweet thanks, I was looking on the FAQ the other day must've missed it haha.
The FTTN thread (/forum-replies.cfm?t=2368497) may be a more appropriate location to discuss node and pillar location / speeds, etc...
yep no worries
Having a look at campbelltown NSW I note that there is no DA (distribution area) labelled 2CBT-01-05 but there is a 2CBT-01-17 ?
Seems odd to miss one in the sequence.
Having a look at campbelltown NSW I note that there is no DA (distribution area) labelled 2CBT-01-05 but there is a 2CBT-01-17 ?
Seems odd to miss one in the sequence.
That happens sometimes. Usually, it's because of MPS (multi premises sites) which account for an entire DA. Their rollouts may be delayed or offset to a later time for an alternate technology, e.g. FTTB.
2CBT-01-05
My guess that is actually The Potter House Christian Centre looks like the most likely candidate for 2CBT-01-05.
23-53 LITHGOW ST, CAMPBELLTOWN NSW
Sound premise, but 23 � 53 Lithgow street is the Campbelltown Public School.
I note the use of Service Class 10 (FTTN?) vs Service Class 0 for FTTP, although the use of Fibre rather than MTM for FTTN, I think is mistake by DeVoteD. Conversely do we trust the NBN database anyway?
Seems like a rep from DeVoteD reads these threads, I just checked again and the Type correctly appears as MTM (rather than Fibre) across all searches. In fact the only difference is in the Service Class, it is 0 if you are in the previous government's under construction or 1 year plan (for FTTP) and it is 10 otherwise for all other areas. Not sure how significant this is but at least it is a record of what we had and an indicator of which areas may still get FTTP (i.e. those with Service Class 0 are still in the running).
Conversely do we trust the NBN database anyway?
Hi PeteP,
Probably a negative on this, PARTICULARLY if they have based much of the cabling records on Telstras information
We had an interaction with T Country Wide reps (south of us) once, and it was plain evidence to note that the cable records they were reading for our area, was HOPELESSLY out of date!
I think this would be a mirror image case for many (possibly 100's even 1000's of regions) around Aus
Just saying, unless someone can technically refute actual ...
Claudekrowe
Just saying, unless someone can technically refute actual ...
The records I've seen are very inaccurate, particularly on cable length. This may make their Service Qualification tests in future very inaccurate unless they improve the data or estimations.
Yes Mr Mac,
With help of clever people on here (Whirlpool) teaching how to correlate the DA numbers (on the streetside distribution pillars) meshing that with my own research ADSL2exchanges site etc AND chatting to long time residents. The TCW reps were quoting connections to DA that have been what I estimate 10 years approx. behind (for our locality)
So if the SQ tools are using Telstra data, yeh well Good Luck with that !!
Krowey
Hi jxeeno, thanks so much for your site.
I have a question: do you have or would you consider implementing some kind of API ?
I ask for selfish reasons: I'm house-hunting and would like to make a browser extension that could scrape my page of real estate search results, look up the series of addresses and return some basic NBN-related info, injecting markup into the page accordingly. I think that'd be really useful
Thanks again!
I ask for selfish reasons: I'm house-hunting and would like to make a browser extension that could scrape my page of real estate search results, look up the series of addresses and return some basic NBN-related info, injecting markup into the page accordingly. I think that'd be really useful
Hi Mr Meeseeks,
APIs are in the roadmap, but a spatial-based API isn't in the current plan. I'll be starting off simple with less computationally expensive APIs.
APIs that rely on things like Google Maps will cost me larger sums of money... so while I'm not ruling spatial-APIs out in any way, the possibility of location/spatial APIs will probably be a "paid" API in order to recoup some of the costs of running extra servers and subscribing to Google Maps' API.
On the note of real estate results though, I have been doing weekly lists for rental properties (and properties to buy are coming quite soon too) with NBN. /forum-replies.cfm?t=2401447
Cheers!
Hi jxeeno,
Not sure if this was asked but is there any plan (assuming there is any point!?) in bringing back the FSAM maps from v1 for those areas removed or under old construction?
Sometimes it is good to be reminded of the way it was (or would have been).
.
Possible bug report.
Not sure if it is a bug or just whacky data but the site has a RFS of 31st May for our local tower but also say RFS already: http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/3STE-51-06-POMN
v1 has it as good to go: http://v1.mynbn.info/wsam/3STE-51-06-POMN
I'll add to the chorus while I'm here, awesome work you've done on this.
Not sure if it is a bug or just whacky data but the site has a RFS of 31st May for our local tower but also say RFS already: http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/3STE-51-06-POMN
v1 has it as good to go: http://v1.mynbn.info/wsam/3STE-51-06-POMN
Hi LagerFan,
It's good news is that the tower is now active. It was activated ahead of schedule.
Keep in mind that NBN Co's map is only updated once a week and is often one week behind reality.
If you live in that area, you can now order a service with your RSP of choice.
Cheers,
jx
Not sure if this was asked but is there any plan (assuming there is any point!?) in bringing back the FSAM maps from v1 for those areas removed or under old construction?
Sometimes it is good to be reminded of the way it was (or would have been).
Hey PeteP,
Depends... I might add it as an optional layer later. In reality, that data is some 2 years old... but I understand it's a good resource to refer back to sometimes.
Will definately consider.
Cheers,
jx
To hopefully clear things up a bit, I've added a message that shows up on all recently activated rollout regions saying that the nbn� website and rollout map may not be up-to-date.
Areas activated within the past 7 days should show the message.
In reality, that data is some 2 years old...
So is FTTP given that was superseded back in Sept 2013 by FTTN and HFC and yet the FSAM maps are still relevant today as then!
How accurate are the Rollout maps?
My house was shown on the NBN coverage map falling into a brown hatched area, for wireless from a tower due to be ready for service on 30 Jun 2015. Then last weekend, "poof", my property disappeared from the coverage map but not my neighbours!
Will this effect my connection to the NBN?
What does it mean when my suburb doesn't even exist on the site? No plans?
What does it mean when my suburb doesn't even exist on the site? No plans?
It probably means that your suburb is not in the 18 month rollout plan. Keep in mind that not each suburb or exchange will have its own Service Area... NBN's network is different from the Telstra network; so a Service Area could span a few exchange areas.
That said, nbn� is expected to release a 3 year rollout plan next month. You may see your suburb appear then.
How accurate are the Rollout maps?
Rollout maps are provided by nbn�. If you'd like, you can whim me your area and address and I can double check for you.
It probably means that your suburb is not in the 18 month rollout plan. Keep in mind that not each suburb or exchange will have its own Service Area... NBN's network is different from the Telstra network; so a Service Area could span a few exchange areas.
That said, nbn� is expected to release a 3 year rollout plan next month. You may see your suburb appear then.
Ok for that town i live there is going to be 4 planned FW sites and no mention of fftn at all ?
Status Planned
Build~ Jul 2015
RFS~ Q4 2015
Doesn't FW need fibre backhaul leading the exchange as the telstra transit network needs upgrading here in town stated by the nbn just recently ?
Doesn't FW need fibre backhaul leading the exchange as the telstra transit network needs upgrading here in town stated by the nbn just recently ?
No. Depending on network topology in your area but many of the towers have microwave backhaul instead.
double check for you.
Hiya jxeeno,
Just on v2 site, sorry for the stupid question, what does a Status of (GREEN colour) Preparation & when click into them just notes Preparation (Nov 2014) just checked a couple of areas of interest and that was what came up
If you can believe what was announced the other day, nbn plan to release 3 years worth of roll out (out to Jun 2018 I think) within the next couple months
In your expert opinion, how reliable could this info hope to be, for example if one was investing in a property in a roll out plan region - last minute changes really annoy people that like to have a long term plan
Thanks for continuing the great work on mynbn
Claudekrowe
Just asking but why haven't the maps on the myNBN v2 haven't updated for the new build-prep areas especially in SA (St mary's, etc).
(The areas that have build-prep shading on it still shows that it is on the 18-month plan)
how reliable could this info hope to be, for example if one was investing in a property in a roll out plan region � last minute changes really annoy people that like to have a long term plan
Long term plans should not be taken with caution, especially when anything beyond 12 months. Heck, nbn� can't even get RFS dates 3 months out accurate sometimes.
Just asking but why haven't the maps on the myNBN v2 haven't updated for the new build-prep areas especially in SA (St mary's, etc).
Hi Techno100,
I haven't received updated rollout information yet. Since NBN Co no longer provides information publicly, the adding of new areas is typically delayed. I endeavour to get the information up asap.
Thanks jxeeno, I was of course pointing out the actions (questionable) taken by the NEW nbn when they took away a promised technology and replaced with slower product.
Heck, nbn� can't even get RFS dates 3 months out accurate
I was not aiming that one at your mynbn.info, which continues to run rings around the poor excuse that passes for information the new nbn co website (which has been gradually DUMBED down !!)
Krowey
Hi, do we know if the rfs date for 2grk-01 is still sept 1? Telstra tech the other day says he doubts it will be ready by sept 1
Any updates on the myNBN site Jxeeno?
Seems like a rep from DeVoteD reads these threads, I just checked again and the Type correctly appears as MTM (rather than Fibre) across all searches. In fact the only difference is in the Service Class, it is 0 if you are in the previous government's under construction or 1 year plan (for FTTP) and it is 10 otherwise for all other areas. Not sure how significant this is but at least it is a record of what we had and an indicator of which areas may still get FTTP (i.e. those with Service Class 0 are still in the running).
I have been spending much of lunchtime using DevotedNBN's SQ checker (sorry Glenn!) to try and work out what the story is with what technology is being rolled out where.
I have noticed a pattern in cities that areas that are fairly substantial but lack HFC are showing as SC0, while HFC areas are SC10.
A couple of cases in point.
3RCM-02 (where I am; on the 3 year plan) is all SC0. Around it, everything is SC10. With the exception of a few streets north of Bridge Rd, there is no HFC. Detailed design for the area had been done I think because it was in the 3 year rollout plan under the previous government.
3WIR-03, where my dad is, also shows SC0. What makes it interesting is that HFC is plentiful where he is, yet on the other side of the railway line (a dense business area) there is none.
In Collingwood, Middle Park and South Melbourne (other islands of no HFC surrounded by HFC), they are showing SC10.
I am guessing therefore that NBNCo is going on a SAM-by-SAM basis.
If there is a significant portion of the SAM without HFC AND either there are lots of business OR detailed design's been done, then it's going to get FTTP.
Otherwise, it will get HFC. I am guessing that there will not be any FTTN to avoid having 3 overlapping technologies in a service area...
I will guess we'll see if these theories prove correct though...
Off-topic from MyNBNs site, but with Devoted's SQ, my area was on the 1 year plan with the previous Gov, most surrounding areas/towns now have been added to the FTTN rollout, except us. When checking Devoted's website, I get SC0.
Would there be a major reason why we haven't even been looked at? Our town is smack in the middle of all surrounding areas/towns, surrounding the town is FW everywhere basically, but I'm just stunned that we haven't been looked at or even considered. Especially for FTTN.
I'm hoping I'm in the right place and that you good folk can help me as three different websites are telling me three different things about NBN access. The reason I'm keen to get an answer is before any NBN installation goes ahead, I want my house data cabled first but I'm not keen to proceed with that until I'm certain it's coming. Note: A PCD has not yet been installed.
If I plug my address into NBN Co's website, I get "Great news, you can order an nbn� plan today"
If I use mynbn.info, the result is "Brownfields FTTP. Not (yet) serviceable. Note! This area went live in the past few days. This service qualification information may not be up-to-date. Bespoke Connection Required. Service class 0"
And finally, devoted SQ results in "NBN Fibre (MTM)** is coming to your place soon!"
I don't want to order a service before having the house data cabled but I don't want to data cable only to find out there's no NBN. Can someone shed some light on the above results, in particular the "Service class 0" and "Bespoke connection required". My ISP (Internode) still shows a result an address search akin to devoted's result whilst iiNet agrees with NBN Co's result.
Help!
Edit: Whoops! It would help if I added that my area is 3BRA-07
Edit 2: I'm told we did have NBN Co up and down the driveway chalk marking the conduit underneath and there's leftover pieces of some type of rope near our wall Telstra box and the Telstra pit at the end of the driveway.
Would there be a major reason why we haven't even been looked at?
I hate to throw cold water on this but last week I checked a few of the 6CAN areas which are getting FTTN and they appeared as SC0 rather than SC10 which can only really mean one thing: the NBN database is out of date and cannot be relied upon ... oh well.
Looks like 9QBN-05 has gone RFS unavailable on mynbn.info but looks like the Telstra NBN wholesale sheet has updated it from November 2015 to Feb 2016.
https://www.telstrawholesale
Looks like 9QBN-05 has gone RFS unavailable on mynbn.info but looks like the Telstra NBN wholesale sheet has updated it from November 2015 to Feb 2016.
Looks like a software issue. Looking into it now, thanks for the flag :)
edit: issue fixed. I will be loading new RFS dates up soon.
Looks like a software issue. Looking into it now, thanks for the flag :)
Legend, thanks! :)
Um jxeeno for some reason I can't connect to the fttn.mynbn.info site. I get an error 521 is there anyway you can fix this?
Um jxeeno for some reason I can't connect to the fttn.mynbn.info site. I get an error 521 is there anyway you can fix this?
working for me 9:28am
ISP Internode
I think he means fttn.mynbn.info, not mynbn.info.
The first one has been down for me for a while now. It was a useful page as it had the estimated distances from the "silver torpedos" in the trial rollout areas.
Um jxeeno for some reason I can't connect to the fttn.mynbn.info site. I get an error 521 is there anyway you can fix this?
Sorry about that! Should be back up now... maps may take a while to re-render.
Jxeeno, why hasn't 6MDR-07 been updated yet? apparently it's been build phase since "may" but went on the map last update however hasn't change on your website yet. Theres a RFS date also which is april 2016 on the Telstra rollout schedule.
Thanks.
:)
Jxeeno, why hasn't 6MDR-07 been updated yet? apparently it's been build phase since "may" but went on the map last update however hasn't change on your website yet. Theres a RFS date also which is april 2016 on the Telstra rollout schedule.
Sorry Daniel, there has been a change in format for both the build data and the latest 18 month rollout plan � data update is taking longer than usual.
Apologies for the inconvenience!
Sorry Daniel, there has been a change in format for both the build data and the latest 18 month rollout plan � data update is taking longer than usual.
another change on nbn�'s end
Oh, jxeeno just a heads up 5CPK-01 is in build commenced for awhile now.
Oh, jxeeno just a heads up 5CPK-01 is in build commenced for awhile now.
So has 6VIC-10 apparently. I got confused the other day when it was listed still in Build Preparation and NBNCo were not showing any green areas. This together with the lack of SAM ID designation on the map (e.g. which brown/green colored jigsaw piece is 6VIC-10 ... or 5CPK-01?) is a bit of a problem.
So has 6VIC-10 apparently.
Sorry guys! I've set aside a few hours to manually update all the records plus the 18 month rollout plan this afternoon. Apologies for the inconvenience.
In other news, I'll be doing an AMA on /r/Australia tomorrow from 1pm. Feel free to join: more info here
plus the 18 month rollout plan this afternoon
If you can decipher the supposedly "new" 1800 premises to enter Build in the next three months out of the remaining 12000 premises in Applecross FSA not on the rollout (6APP is around 50% completed with FTTP and the rest are in limbo) that would be handy!
Or better yet the mystery of the missing 1700 premises in Victoria Park FSA (6VIC) which will go the Build in the next three months given ALL of 6VIC is currently in FTTP Build.
(ref: http://www.nbnco.com.au/conte
But that would require you to have access to the hallowed, mystical and magical inner sanctum of NBN MTM planning.
My area ia showing as h2-2016 what does that mean? I see others are q3 which i under stand is quater three. Does h2 does mean quater 2?
My area ia showing as h2-2016 what does that mean? I see others are q3 which i under stand is quater three. Does h2 does mean quater 2?
h2 = second half of year. once it gets closer you'll have something less broad.
So simple lol.
Sorry guys! I've set aside a few hours to manually update all the records plus the 18 month rollout plan this afternoon. Apologies for the inconvenience.
I suppose the rollout map on your website be updated as well to show the new 18 month icons showing the orange coloured areas ?
I suppose the rollout map on your website be updated as well to show the new 18 month icons showing the orange coloured areas ?
They will be updated, yes :) working on it now in fact!
They will be updated, yes :) working on it now in fact!
When will we expect to see the updates on the map?
they will add new ACT rollout soon :D
ACT � H2-2016
Charnwood, Dunlop, Evatt, Florey, Flynn, Fraser, Hawker, Higgins, Holt, Latham,
Macgregor, McKellar, Melba, Page, Scullin, Spence
Farrer, Greenway, Isaacs, Kambah, Mawson, O'Malley, Oxley, Pearce, Torrens,
Wanniassa
Ainslie, Braddon, Campbell, Dickson, Downer, Hackett, Lyneham, O'Connor,
Pialligo, Reid, Turner, Watson
They will be updated, yes :) working on it now in fact!
Excellent, it'll be interesting to see how much orange shading will cover my town hopefully, fingers crossed.
Would be nice if they'd hurry up and get to my area...
Hi all,
Apologies for the delay. Rollout status and the new 18 month rollout plan has been uploaded onto the site. Some data is still missing at this point, but I hope to have it all uploaded at the end of the week.
Again, shameless plug, I'm doing an AMA on Reddit Australia from 1PM today :-)
Cheers!
Again, shameless plug, I'm doing an AMA on Reddit Australia from 1PM today :-)
Too many social media portals for me to keep up with these days (facebook, twitter and now reddit?) so I will ask here the questions/concerns I have since April related to 6APP and 6APP-05 which can be generalised as:
Q1) Any update on the status of the (mainly HFC) FSAMs which had completed Build Prep by Apr 2015 and were removed from the maps since then? Have any come back on the map or specifically mentioned in the latest 18 month or are they still in limbo?
SUPPLEMENTARY: The theory is the SAMS with HFC are being held for NBN HFC, however this does not explain why 6APP-07 an area with HFC was fast tracked to Build Prep and then Build ahead of 6APP-05 (which was removed) given these are part of the same HFC exchange network?
Q2) In the July MTM rollout map, the numbers don't make sense for FSA with FTTP Builds. I did some analysis here: whrl.pl/Relp3x which makes me believe NBN are reusing existing FSAMs recently gone to Build and declaring these as "new" areas which will enter Build by Q3-2015. Have I misinterpreted the MTM rollout map data (that premises numbers are for new Builds only) or is NBN providing misleading/ambiguous information (mixing up new Builds together with recent Builds)?
so I will ask here
Thats not how reddit works. YOu have to ask it in the reddit thread, so he can then respond to it, so the q and a can be read by everyone. He's not going to just answer questions over there that nobody can see.
Thats not how reddit works.
Just looking over some of the reddit posts now:
https://www.reddit.com/r
(not familiar with reddit so not even sure if this is the proper link to the AMA)
I guess to me the key question which is also relevant to the information being imported to mynbn is my Q2) above in regards to how one interprets the numbers for the MTM rollout map released last week.
Since jxeeno reads this column I am sure if he has an answer he will provide one. After all he has to import these numbers into the 18 month rollout plan.
Checked out the new updated map on mynbn.info today showing the 18 month planned areas and boy talk about a knife edge. I'm just within the orange shading....subject to change of course when the build commences in this area next year 2H 2016
nbn� is expected to commence build in parts of this suburb within 18 months.
Hey, jxeeno any updates on the 5CPK area expect updating 5CPK-01 from build preparation to commenced. P.S the new build prep areas don't have any appox of premises.
Ya Ho my area is now on the 18 Month rollout plan Flagstaff Hill South Australia
Hey, jxeeno any updates on the 5CPK area expect updating 5CPK-01 from build preparation to commenced. P.S the new build prep areas don't have any appox of premises.
Hey techno100, good point. I'll add those figures in soon... some data is missing until I'm able to access them, but premises should be possible.
Since jxeeno reads this column I am sure if he has an answer he will provide one. After all he has to import these numbers into the 18 month rollout plan.
Hey PeteP,
I'll try and find some time to look at this tonight... it's been a pretty busy few days for me :) This is a bit more than just an off-the-top response
I'll try and find some time to look at this tonight
Thanks jxeeno, and good luck trying to make sense of what you get from NBN. If it means anything I hear that FDHs are already popping up around 6APP-07 which seems quite quick given this area only went into Build in April/May.
I'm just within the orange shading
Hmm, I only get the orange shading when I zoom out enough, but the boundaries are quite fuzzy so unless you are well within the orange shading I wouldn't hold my breath. What would be good is to click on the orange shading and be told which SA, or click within any green or brown area and be told which SAM, I don't think the current map is able to do that.
Ya Ho my area is now on the 18 Month rollout plan Flagstaff Hill South Australia
Dont know what area of Flagstaff Hill you are in but ive just checked the map and nowhere in Flagstaff hill is on the planned map, you got me excited to finally get off the crap internet
Try looking it up at mynbn.info, his site is a little more up to date than the nbnco.com.au site, in any case Flagstaff Hill is on the 18 month plan
Mynbn i find a better site in regards of current rollouts and 18 month construction plans for new areas
This is a bit more than just an off-the-top response
Even for NBN.
I am still waiting for response from them sent last week to clarify what these numbers mean. Looks like they are not sure themselves what they figures are spouting these days.
Any info on 3PTO-02? was on build commencing in july 2015, done in q1 2016, now it says dates not avaliable for both, its shaded green and is getting fttn.
Can't wait for the update, want to see where the node in my suburb Kardinya on pop 6Hil (Hilton) will be
No longer says FTTN, but rather says MTM for rollout type?
Any chance it will be more specific?
No longer says FTTN, but rather says MTM for rollout type?
Sorry, no... it technically can't be more specific.
Rollout regions are classed as "Multi-Technology Mix" because technologies vary within a single rollout region. The technology used is defined on an Access Distribution Area (ADA level) -- e.g. 2BLR-01-05
Typically speaking, nbn� does not reveal the actual mix of technologies used until at least 6 months before rollout region is expected to be ready for service.
You can see the technology breakdown by for areas that are expected to be RFS within 6 months by going to their rollout region page (e.g. http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/2BLR-01) and looking under "Premises by technology".
Can't wait for the update, want to see where the node in my suburb Kardinya on pop 6Hil (Hilton) will be
Hi Rosendlek,
The update will not reveal where your node will be. You'll be able to approximate the location of the node by finding your closest Telstra pillar (those silver "torpedo" things on the side of the road).
Jxeeno � are you going to update the mynbn maps to reflect the new build prep areas for FTTN? I just want to see what SAM I will be connected to... Thanks
Hey Idaf,
I'll endeavour to get it updated ASAP, but I cannot guarantee anything.
Apparently my pillar is 500m away, so that would be my probable loop length?
Apparently my pillar is 500m away, so that would be my probable loop length?
Could be longer since the copper cable wouldn't be straight since the cable needs to on footpaths. But if the pillar is visible when looking on the footpath then I would way 500m loop length.
Any ETA on updating current build areas? My area was last updated almost 2 months ago (1st June) and as we've just hit the build drop state I'm keen to see if they're on track or if the ETA is being pushed one way or the other.
@jxeeno, it appears that we now have a network boundary definition of a 'HSAM' for HFC rollouts, will this affect your site at all... whrl.pl/RemmDr
is there anyway to know what node i get connected to or if there is a node i have yet seen?
im in hamlyn terrace and when i drive around there is number of them not far from each other..then there is a whole section of the suburb that doesnt seem to have any nodes in them at all...though its possible i missed one a street somewhere.
We have three on warnervael road, one on primrose, then two on georgia about 100 metres from each other, then one on minnesota and another one about 100 metres from that around the corners on a street name i forget right now...
but then there is a whole block of streets that dont seem to have even one node. by road most of that block would have to be around 1000 metres at least from any node....the biggest distance in this area. personally im about 600 metres at most from a node, so i should be fine..but what about those other houses? i cant see a node...and if there isnt one..are they going to be left without anything???
put your address into https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/
it will show you the pillar number, you are connected to..
put your address into https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/
it will show you the pillar number, you are connected to..
Yeah, GRKN:64. but that doesnt tell me where the pillar is. i know where a few of them are...which on is mine?
Yeah, GRKN:64. but that doesnt tell me where the pillar is. i know where a few of them are...which on is mine?
well it draws a map outline on a map, look at it and go and walk your area or use google street view, like the rest of us on here have done. Pilars usually have something on them like
DA GRKN 64
Although enlarged pillars just seem to now have
P64 on them
Some of the the greatest tools you have are your eyes and your feet, start using them, rather than trying to get everyone else to try and spoon feed you information
put your address into https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/
it will show you the pillar number, you are connected to..
thanks for your help Idaf
My pillar shows the actual number on it, SRTN:40
Some of the the greatest tools you have are your eyes and your feet, start using them, rather than trying to get everyone else to try and spoon feed you information
I totally agree with this comment. Thank you.
@jxeeno, it appears that we now have a network boundary definition of a 'HSAM' for HFC rollouts, will this affect your site at all... whrl.pl/RemmDr
From a database perspective, no.
For the purpose of the MTM rollout, a SAM can be purely one technology (FSAM, CSAM, HSAM, WSAM) or a mix of technologies as per the Multi-Technology Mix.
Any ETA on updating current build areas? My area was last updated almost 2 months ago (1st June) and as we've just hit the build drop state I'm keen to see if they're on track or if the ETA is being pushed one way or the other.
I'll get some updated information up tonight.
Some of the the greatest tools you have are your eyes and your feet, start using them, rather than trying to get everyone else to try and spoon feed you information
If i want information i will ask for it. if you dont like that, instead of continually being rude to me, just skip to the next message
Hey mate, I've been waiting for nbn for a few months now and have been using your site for updates
http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/AYCA-1CQ64Y
This was updated yesterday to ready for service, but ISPs still have no idea what I'm talking about.
Also phoned nbn co and they said it's not ready until August at the earliest.
Are you able to provide any more info on this rollout? Would really love to know what's actually happening.
Cheers for your help.
Hi all,
myNBN.info has been updated with the latest RFS dates and further 18 month rollout plan details (incl expected build commencement and RFS dates).
Let me know if you find any issues.
Thank you jxeeno, very much appreciated.
*edited to add something*
I thought 5CPK-10 started preperation in May 2015 because NBN updates their maps a month late and the 5CPK-03 to 11 was added around 16th of June BUT I can be wrong (most likely will)
Hi Jxeeno. Forgot I had an account so I usually just read your posts as a guest.
Just wanted to say a massive thanks for all your hard work with the site. It's been great to have more detailed info on the rollout.
Appreciate your hard work. Cheers
Build~ Q4 2016
RFS ~ Q2 2017
Build Preparation aka remediation would have be done well before the actual build happens ?
So the build and rfs estimate is subject to change depending on factors
Build Preparation aka remediation would have be done well before the actual build happens ?
Typically, Build Preparation occurs around 3 months before Build commences.
So the build and rfs estimate is subject to change depending on factors
Yes, they are all subject to change. These are best estimates made by nbn at the time of publication.
I thought 5CPK-10 started preperation in May 2015 because NBN updates their maps a month late and the 5CPK-03 to 11 was added around 16th of June BUT I can be wrong (most likely will)
That's possibly correct. Some May 2015 and June 2015 build preparation commencement dates have been a bit out of whack because of some backend code changes. I'll go back and fix these anomalies soon.
This was updated yesterday to ready for service, but ISPs still have no idea what I'm talking about.
Also phoned nbn co and they said it's not ready until August at the earliest.
The area has gone live, however, I'd wait a few more days when nbn updates their maps before ordering. Some ISPs are insistent on your area showing "active" on the NBN map before allowing an order.
Typically, Build Preparation occurs around 3 months before Build commences.
Hmm so roughly July 2016 give or take.
The Telstra exchange in town i expect will need some upgrades for the fftn rollout no doubt
If I use mynbn.info, the result is "Brownfields FTTP. Not (yet) serviceable. Note! This area went live in the past few days. This service qualification information may not be up-to-date. Bespoke Connection Required. Service class 0"
A day or so after posting this, a team of contractors turned up to install the PCD. It turns out that "Bespoke connection required" is code for a separate "specialist" team of contractors.
Some ISPs are insistent on your area showing "active" on the NBN map before allowing an order.
Regarding the above, jxeeno, what's the lag time with NBN and their updated info? My "bespoke connection" has now been completed with the installation of a PCD but according to your fabulous site and my ISP of choice, I'm not ready to be connected (Still "awaiting bespoke connection").
(Yes, I've been relying on mynbn.info for the myriad of information provided!)
A day or so after posting this, a team of contractors turned up to install the PCD. It turns out that "Bespoke connection required" is code for a separate "specialist" team of contractors.
Yep, that's what "bespoke" (meaning custom) means :)
Regarding the above, jxeeno, what's the lag time with NBN and their updated info?
I cannot guarantee the frequency of site-wide addresses being updated on the site because it relies on information finding its way to me, as opposed to me finding the information.
However, you can subscribe to the free notifications subscription service which will notify you within 3 hours of your premises going live. This feature is independent of the status shown on the myNBN site.
The area has gone live, however, I'd wait a few more days when nbn updates their maps before ordering. Some ISPs are insistent on your area showing "active" on the NBN map before allowing an order.
Great, thanks jxeeno, I'll keep an eye on the map.
Just FYI the guy I spoke to at NBN co was quick to dismiss your website as inaccurate, assuring me that their late August estimate was correct.
This thread clearly shows how misinformed they are.
Hmm so roughly July 2016 give or take.
The Telstra exchange in town i expect will need some upgrades for the fftn rollout no doubt
Exchange-based upgrades will mainly be installing a new rack with nbn equipment to provide services to the node.
Remember, the nbn is mostly independent of the Telstra network (although, it will be using the last mile copper from the pillar to the house in FTTN areas).
Very off-topic, and you may not even know yourself, but how many nodes would they install to service a 700 premise town? As mine is slanted for 2H next year. Would they just install nodes at pillar (only seen 2 in the whole town and they are fairly close) or would they install new pillars/nodes where there aren't any in place?
myNBN.info has been updated with the latest RFS dates and further 18 month rollout plan details (incl expected build commencement and RFS dates).
Much appreciated. Looks like I may need to wait for August for the latest updates but at least I know the info is more recent now.
This was updated yesterday to ready for service, but ISPs still have no idea what I'm talking about.
says Juy29
so now fttn launch in Gorokan has been pushed back to November?
what the hell?
they are finished and even the two tech people ive spoken to at nodes have said september.
Yeah July 29th popped up on there last night. NBN Co. are telling me August 12th though.
Either way, glad to be finally getting some proper internet after 3 months.
one day i get real internets again. this rubbish of buying prepaid telstra sims for cheap on ebay is getting silly
so now fttn launch in Gorokan has been pushed back to November?
what the hell?
sorry to say, but I did say that all the info you had been told was not from nbn� but 3rd parties, some with vested interests, aka Telstra to get you signed up, or Liberal pollies trying to promoted themselves and the Liberal mtm
My area has slipped back to December, I will not beileve any dates from anyone until it is actually declared RFS, I can see it slipping into Jan or Feb for a connection, even if it is declared RFS December 1, what with the usual wind down leading up to Christmas, the Christmas break and then the wind back up of industry
How accurate is myNBN compared to NBNco?
How accurate is myNBN compared to NBNco?
No comparison imo
My area has gone RFS on 17 July and I now have an active NBN connnection
NBNCo = Work started in your area in May 2014
myNBN = Not (yet) serviceable Note! This area went live in the past few days. This service qualification information may not be up-to-date. (More info)
I had registered to be notified on both sites and still have received nothing from NBNco while on 17 July I received email notification from myNBN
We're pleased to let you know that nbn� has updated the serviceability status of the following address:
XXXX
This address now has a service class of 2. This means that your premsies is now serviceable by NBN Fibre, already has an external NBN utility box and requires an internal installation.
You should be able to contact a service provider to order an NBN service. You can find a list of service providers by visiting the link below:
so now fttn launch in Gorokan has been pushed back to November?
what the hell?
they are finished and even the two tech people ive spoken to at nodes have said september.
Hi UONStudent,
I simply relay the information provided to me on the website. Dates change for a myriad of reasons, however, these reasons are not communicated externally.
You may also wish to read the disclaimer provided underneath the ready for service date:
Expected Ready for Service Date: This date represents nbn�'s most recently published estimate of when they expect to declare the rollout region "Ready for Service" and be able to take the first customer orders. This date is subject to change due to factors beyond the control of nbn�. Use this information with due caution.
Cheers,
jx
Question about the 18 month plan. 7HOB is listed here as last ready Q4 2016 (http://www.mynbn.info/sa/list/plan/yes/state/TAS), and the 7HOB page says it includes Sandy Bay (the press release also mentions Sandy Bay � http://www.nbnco.com.au/conte
oh dear, nbn� latest roll out dates and surprise surprise, the areas in 2WOY listed the other week as being RFS in December 2015 are now listed as Feb 2016.
So, I have seen hinted dates of September, never believed this as it was the announcement date of the product release and the month following the RSP "onboarding"
I have seen published dates of November, December and now February.
so if we take the November date, that is 10 months after the claimed build start date, to now be February, that is now a 12 month build or a slip of 20%
Wonder what the next "slip" will be?
rhetorical question
Are they now doing all in their power to connect as few people as possible before the next election just in case the real world experience incinerates Malcolm's claims of speed etc
rhetorical question
Are they now doing all in their power to connect as few people as possible before the next election just in case the real world experience incinerates Malcolm's claims of speed etc
Probably. Then they could argue, "we didn't have enough users connected to give an accurate scale of speeds."
My area has slipped back to December, I will not beileve any dates from anyone until it is actually declared RFS, I can see it slipping into Jan or Feb for a connection, even if it is declared RFS December 1, what with the usual wind down leading up to Christmas, the Christmas break and then the wind back up of industry
I can also see NBNco announcing these areas going RFS yet RSPs still lagging behind offering a service that can be ordered due to OSS/BSS issues.
If the dates slip on the IT system then that will slow everything down, it really needs to be ready well before the actual area goes RFS so RSPs can onboard etc.
I know you know this D&C, but I think others need to be reminded. There is a fair bit of work in it for RSPs, so much so that some NBNco resellers withdrew their products due to the complexity of integrating the new IT changes.
Thought there was an RFS document with the MTM RFS dates somewhere? Lost the link
edit: should have said the monthly RFS document that revealed the FTTN Trial sites as per
Thought there was an RFS document with the MTM RFS dates somewhere? Lost the link
Jxeeno has published some "extractions of data" over here
So does Telstra only show RFS dates for areas that have build commenced and is that how jxeeno gets the RFS dates for myNBN website because I have seen the document that shows RFS dates.
Hi UONStudent,
I simply relay the information provided to me on the website. Dates change for a myriad of reasons, however, these reasons are not communicated externally.
thanks for the continued info.
ive just given up on any connection it seems
i got my phone disconnected last week after only being on 3 weeks..they say no ports and that there wont be any more connections even if a port comes up.
the techs tell me diffeent things from you...but they are only the boots on the ground and are probably not getitng all the info or research like you do, so im listening to you first :-)
so wow, three more months on tethered internets and probably more when they decide to delay further and into 2016
edit: should have said the monthly RFS document that revealed the FTTN Trial sites as per
http://www.itnews.com.au/N
my heavens, that "node pic" that they have labelled as an "NBN Node", it sure isn't any of the FTTN cabinets that NBN Co Limited have rolled out, it is listed as a T-Fan on Mynetfones site for a greenfields site but it is not a FTTN cabinet.
https://www.mynetfone.com.au
Just another example of the high quality of tech journalism in Australia I fear, they can't even check what the image is, they find it on a site and just use it
Rivervalle ready for service.... Now if only RSP can get their plans ready.
Hey jxeeno, maybe you can help me out here.
Referring to this rollout:
http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/AYCA-1CQ64Y
Everything suggests we should be RFS today, but the area is still brown on the map.
Also TPG still can't find the address and offer any kind of service.
Any idea when NBN co would update their maps and portals to reflect the information of your site?
Cheers mate.
https://www.mynetfone.com.
The image [3] , has 'blue' fibre!! That's Telstra fibre NOT NBN!!
damn my area said 3 weeks ago
First Build in next 18m*
Q2 2016
Last RFS in next 18m*
Q1 2017
and now :(
First Build in next 18m*
Q4 2016
Last RFS in next 18m*
Q3 2017
shakes fist at Malcolm Turnbull & Bill Morrow
Telstra fibre NOT NBN!!
Early NBN deployments using the type 1 fibre architecture also used blue-sheathed fibre optic cable.
Any idea when NBN co would update their maps and portals to reflect the information of your site?
NBNco generally update the maps the following week.
NBNco generally update the maps the following week.
Thanks Glenn. I actually signed up for an NBN plan with you today I believe.
damn my area said 3 weeks ago
First Build in next 18m*
Q2 2016
Last RFS in next 18m*
Q1 2017
and now :(
First Build in next 18m*
Q4 2016
Last RFS in next 18m*
Q3 2017
shakes fist at Malcolm Turnbull & Bill Morrow
This may be a blessing in disguise, if there's a change of government before this, you could end up with FTTP instead.
This may be a blessing in disguise, if there's a change of government before this, you could end up with FTTP instead.
Labor is not going back into a full FTTP rollout again they are going to adopt the MTM rollout.
Source: http://delimiter.com.au/2015/
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