In fact Turnbull commented on Labor's plan...
Good for him.
Are you trying to say Labor were only going to cover 1.5% with satellite now. And the other 1.5% were going to get nothing from the NBN.
You see you can find even NBN co documents saying the satellites were 3% coverage. which is just around 400 000 premises. http://www.nbnco.com.au/conte
You seem to be saying the coalition were much more honest over the NBN. So why would anyone believe any Labor policy.
The figure for take up in the 2010 corporate plan was 200,000 (page 71)
The 200000 figure is more about the maximum capacity being planned for, rather than expected takeup.
The NSAS will deliver at least 12Mbps peak download speed, and an ABHT of 300Kbps, for up to 200,000 users. To meet this requirement, NBN Co will need to launch two 80Gbps Ka-Band (60Gbps forward path and 20Gbps return path) satellites, supported by a network of 10 � 15 transmitting and receiving stations known as Gateways.
The 2012 CP shows an estimated 232000 premises connected to FW and Sat by FY2021. There are already ~112000 FW active connections.
It was seriously underestimated.
You see you can find even NBN co documents saying the satellites were 3% coverage. which is just around 400 000 premises.
Surely you realise that 3% is not a precise figure, and that the actual figure can vary by 120,000 premises while still being considered 3% of premises, right?
You seem to be saying the coalition were much more honest over the NBN.
LOL, they honestly lied all the time and still do.
Election looms closer.. Labors NBN policy has been released...
Liberals release their trolls into the world.
It was seriously underestimated.
Quite possibly. But the Coalition figure for satellite coverage is 400,000, the same as it was under Labor. Unless we are now expecting 100% take up the claim that "The Sat system was originally designed to accommodate around 200,000 premises...the LNP expanded that to 400,000." is simply incorrect.
Not really...they do not need any "retooling".
Yes they do. They'll need to get rid of some of the tools, like the NBN Board, Morrow, and other nbn� stooges, etc. Or is that untooling?
Liberals release their trolls into the world.
They don't have a fully costed policy either!
No-one has any plans and that's the scary part.
No-one in the coalition has any plans and that's the scary part.
Actually the coalition is the scary part.
Looks like some of the boys are going to miss out on all that extra wholesome goodness fibre NBN workers are going to experience under any change of Government after the upcoming Federal Election.
Labor sources said the party has little faith in many of the "lackeys" Mr Turnbull brought into the organisation.
Mr Clare in the past blasted the appointment of NBN chairman Ziggy Switkowski, board member Justin Milne and senior executive JB Rousselot as "jobs for the boys".
Actually the coalition is the scary part.
They turned back the fibre.
Now it's Federal Labor's TIME to turn back the nodes and copper.
Mr Clare in the past blasted the appointment of NBN chairman Ziggy Switkowski, board member Justin Milne and senior executive JB Rousselot as "jobs for the boys".
Not to mention they directly profited from having nbnco buy back the copper network and signed contracts for the ongoing maintenance of said copper network while holding a significant amount of telstra shares.
Election looms closer.. Labors NBN policy has been released...
Liberals release their trolls into the world.
Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
The coalition will poo poo Labor's policy without releasing their own.
I guess we're waiting for it to download. LOL
The coalition will ..... Labor's policy without releasing their own.
I'm surprised that the Federal Coalition are taking any new policies to the the election.
Far less effort to just tell everyone how you've met or are on the way to meeting all your goals and targets.
Then discretely disperse a few porkies and pork barrels to marginal seats.
Like the fixed line little bad piggy that got catapulted over to the West Coast of Tasmania last week, and today's Townsville non-digital sporting content distribution system upgrade where those unable to stream their footy in 4/8K or virtual reality in/to the premise will no longer have to try and rely on a digital sporting experience, and will be forced off their bums to a shared sporting service centre (new stadium).
Election looms closer.. Labors NBN policy has been released...
Liberals release their trolls into the world.
In was inevitable. As soon as the policy was released, bam, whirlpool flooded. The usual suspects and then some.
How so?
To start with, it was totally uncosted.
They (the ALP) put a picked-from-the-air figure of $43 billion to build.
You could easily be talking about Turnbull there, some of his own party used similar language.
I agree. One simply off set the other.
The NBN has been more about chest beating than seriously providing a fully fibre based network solution to most parts of the country.
To start with, it was totally uncosted.
They (the ALP) put a picked-from-the-air figure of $43 billion to build.
Please substantiate that claim.
To start with, it was totally uncosted.
Nonsense.
They (the ALP) put a picked-from-the-air figure of $43 billion to build.
And four years later it was $45.6bn. Capex was pretty constant. Total funding increased due to roll out delays.
Compare that to the staggering blowout in Turnbull's costs.
hey (the ALP) put a picked-from-the-air figure of $43 billion to build.
That's rubbish. No one can "pluck a figure out of the air" and come up with a figure of $43 billion.
And, ALL projects start off with something sketched on a piece of paper. It makes for great politics, but shows a complete ignorance of the development process!
Election looms closer.. Labors NBN policy has been released...
Liberals release their trolls into the world.
The lengths they go to so they can protect their fraud. But then again their quality of trolling matches the quality of our internet.
Bleeding crap.
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HOW DIFFICULT IS IT FOR NBN CO TO SWITCH TECHNOLOGIES?
Rod Tucker from the University of Melbourne believes it would be little trouble for NBN Co to switch back to a fibre-to-the-premises model.
�There is still the design and technical expertise within the company for carrying out fibre-to-the-premises installations,� he said. �There are plenty of those people around still � I don�t think it would be that much of a disruption.�
Mr Tucker also pointed to Labor�s commitment to honour all existing contracts as a way to ensure a smooth transition.
�For instance, where I�m living, I know the design stages are under way for my particular town. There�s been no work done yet but I guess under this plan obviously there�s a contract in place and that will continue with fibre to the node.�
Ok so for area's/towns still under "Build Prep" its pretty much locked in for FTTN regardless unless they for example find the copper network is in such a bad state and the only option sensible is FTTP instead
its pretty much locked in for FTTN regardless unless they for example find the copper network is in such a bad state and the only option sensible is FTTP instead
I predict that they'll be more than 39% FTTP as more and more FTTN areas are found to have too many issues with the copper.
They (the ALP) put a picked-from-the-air figure of $43 billion to build.
As opposed to the Coalition's $29.5 Billion figure that Turnbull waved about the House of Representatives?
*Facepalm*
And four years later it was $45.6bn. Capex was pretty constant. Total funding increased due to roll out delays.
Not entirely, you remember that the FTTP coverage increased from 90% to 93% and they also moved to build drops instead of demand drops.
Demand drops was expected to increase capex (and consequently peak funding) but also increase revenues and therefore a prudent measure.
This is why using the peak funding figure is a bull$hit measure, and I have said this for a while. It is no way to compare the two policies.
We have seen why in the recent budget, the MTM peak funding allegedly is lower but due to the use of obsolete access technologies and the need for upgrades it will struggle to raise the private debt.
The majority FTTP policy may have had a higher peak funding, but it had nearly the same government equity contribution but had a much greater capacity to raise private debt.
Does it really matter if the peak funding is higher if the same policy was better able to raise the additional debt?
I predict that they'll be more than 39% FTTP as more and more FTTN areas are found to have too many issues with the copper.
if the SoE requires NBN Co to take into account the TCO then this is almost certain.
So it seems that Labor will keep HFC with the view to upgrade it in the future, while building FTTP just about everywhere else. My question is of the ~20% FTTN how much of that is currently under construction?
I think the original Labor policy could have been improved using FttB with an upgrade path to FTTP, to speed up the rollout and get a lot more return sooner on the NBN.
Then again politics and those with no knowledge of how the techonology works got in the way suggesting wireless in 2010 and then FTTN in 2013. I often wonder if a conscience vote on the FTTP NBN was offered how many coalition members actually supported it. I think quite a few would have but Abbotts desire to make it a political issue got in the way. Certainly polls showed it was popular with coalition voters and independents and other parties all supported it.
Not entirely, you remember that the FTTP coverage increased from 90% to 93% and they also moved to build drops instead of demand drops.
The increase in FTTP coverage happened in the implementation study when the funding estimate was $42.8bn. Exhibit 16-6 in the 2013 corporate plan showed no change in capex from 2012, still $37.4bn.
This is why using the peak funding figure is a bull$hit measure, and I have said this for a while. It is no way to compare the two policies.
Total funding is what it costs to build. Capex is just part of the story.
Does it really matter if the peak funding is higher if the same policy was better able to raise the additional debt?
What matters is the NBNCo's ability to pay for the peak funding amount. Higher revenue and lower opex pays for more peak funding. That's why the MTM was never the most cost-effective solution.
What a surprise. An NBN free ABC TV 7:30 report tonight.
Yes, that is true, but he forgets to tell his fellow Australians is, that the largest amount of active services is actually on FTTP, fixed-wireless and Satellite which are all technologies in the technology mix of Labor's NBNv1.
Are you sure it's true? Didn't Quigley say they had 150,000 connected at his last Senate hearing?
But the Coalition figure for satellite coverage is 400,000, the same as it was under Labor.
Yes it is I agree completely (not withstanding the Tassie west coast reversal).
The problem is the difference between premises 'passed' (the ~400k) and premises that can actually have an active service (the ~200K maximum given the design specs quoted previously).
Of course those initial design specs are served by a single Sat (assuming equal distribution across the spot beams) with the 2nd Sat in reserve in case of failure (and to takeup some of the excess load on heavily congested beams).
The real issue for Sat users is whether the ABHT (Average Busy Hour Throughput) of 300Kbps is adequate. The ACCC NBN Wholesale Report suggests this is ~1/3 of the level currently being provided over the fixed line network due to the CVC restrictions, which is about 1Mbps per user. (although I am not sure how the CVC transitional arrangements factor in this, that is the 150 Mbps per CSA)
Unless we are now expecting 100% take up the claim that The Sat system was originally designed to accommodate around 200,000 premises...the LNP expanded that to 400,000. is simply incorrect.
Yes
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