Ever wondered why NZ have had much more success with their FTTH roll out....No now grossly oversized quasi govt NBNCo (with it's now 5000+ bureaucratic staff), and the majority of the design and implementation work being carried out by the private sector. Seems that our Au politicians on both sides of the political divide could learn quite a bit from our near neighbours.
The FY2016 target is 2.632 million. The figure as of 26/05/16 was 2.556 million.
Yep, but that's from the 2015 corporate plan. When the LNP attacked Labor at the last election they used figures from the 2010 corporate plan. The equivalent now would be the figures from the SR. On those figures the LNP is around 2.5 million RFS down. Labor is doing and has done sfa on those numbers. Why??
here's ye olde simple factoid of information whether you rollout fttn or fttdp you require fibre to be deployed..
typical lan specs are too 100 meters or less for speed variant at distance, though how deploy speeds past 100 meter over copper is the problem when you start looking cable accesses between 250-1000 meters from the pit to 1st point..
unsure what d/a cost is to convert from copper to fibre..
though the cost of the fibre>vdsl/adsl gear retails at $750-$1,500 USD for 4 port vdsl/8 port adsl model or the 8 port vdsl/16 port adsl variant.. though no guarantee to speed you get from cat-5e/6/6a/7/7a past 100 meters of copper cable.
though the last quote i got from telstra to provide vdsl off a 3km D/A with a total line length from the D/A at 1.5 km was about $5,000 a lot different to what is claimed in a report to parliament..
you can pass what i say off as complete bullshit and rubbish, though before you dismiss what i say off hand you may want to drop telstra a line and ask for an install quote for vdsl before you comment..
do your research om the hardware typically being install for vdsl services and plausible outcomes for fttdp deployment..
apart from the fraud deployment costing claiming fttn/dp is cheaper and quicker to deploy...
there has yet to be true costing to this fttn/dp delivery farce to this date, there is no projection cost of maintaining the copper either..
i believe the earth quake cemented nz's fate to push to fibre optical reality..
Ever wondered why NZ have had much more success with their FTTH roll out
Primarily because of what the NZ Government did in successfully splitting up the incumbent Telecom New Zealand cleverly and strategically putting the long term NZ national interest ahead of the short-term Telecom New Zealand shareholder pain from a halving of the share price as a result of the split.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_New_Zealand
In 2008, Telecom was operationally separated into three divisions under local loop unbundling initiatives by central government � Telecom Retail; Telecom Wholesale; and Chorus, the network infrastructure division. This separation effectively ended any remnants of monopoly that Telecom Retail once had in the market. In 2011 the demerger process was complete, with Telecom and Chorus becoming separate listed companies
2006, 9 May: An audio clip recorded on 2 March was released involving Telecom CEO Theresa Gattung admitting the use of confusion as a chief marketing tool in the industry. The March recording also dismissed the New Zealand Government as "too smart to do anything dumb" with regards to regulation.
When the LNP attacked Labor at the last election they used figures from the 2010 corporate plan.
You are right they did indeed.
The equivalent now would be the figures from the SR. On those figures the LNP is around 2.5 million RFS down.
Actually the SR figures are CY2016 not FY 2016. I suspect this was deliberate to make direct comparisons more difficult. But you are correct that the SR numbers are way out due to HFC delays.
Labor is doing and has done sfa on those numbers. Why??
Well they did basically reject the SR in its entirety. Maybe they are not prepared to stoop so low? ;)
https://twitter.com/senator
Labor's nbn plan. Wait longer, pay more.
5 hours after tweet launch.
1 retweet (fat fingers)
1 like (self adulation)
A roaring succes/s
I got tired of scrolling through the dozens of angry replies and I am somewhat amazed � 0 positive replies. Normally you'd get some glued on old LNP lovies, but it seems even they can't stomach that much bullshit.
they cooked the books to make it look like fttn was cheaper to install when the opposite was the actual truth... when it was cheaper to actually replace the copper network with a fibre 1..
Primarily because of what the NZ Government did in successfully splitting up the incumbent Telecom New Zealand cleverly and strategically putting the long term NZ national interest ahead of the short-term Telecom New Zealand shareholder pain from a halving of the share price as a result of the split.
Telstra has effectively been bought out, and what is still the ongoing problem with the delivery of the NBN in Au.....Yes, it's the common factor, the quasi govt bureaucracy at the NBNCo who still are not properly managing, and certainly won't take on the direct management of the workforce doing the installation works.
Don't take my word for it, have a chat with some of the prime contractors and their workforces to see why the project continues to be off the rails.
well what do you expect when you malcolm's shrills in power at nbn co..
Labor�s National Broadband Network (NBN) would have taken six to eight years longer to rollout across Australia, leaving businesses waiting longer for superfast broadband.
Ahhhhh! Mr Fifield needs to look at the scope for NBN which was Residential not business. Business/CBDs was never the focus but if they were in the mix then they got lucky..... not anymore though with FTTN, Business should be lamenting the LNP lack of vision.
Under the Coalition, the rollout of the NBN is on budget and on track to meet its corporate plan
Telstra are pretty pissed off being shortchanged by $3B due to lack of cutovers.... ie. slow rollout, delays, low end Plans, take up...must wish they stayed with FTTP eh?
n April this year, rural and remote Australia began to connect to NBN�s Sky Muster Satellite Service, delivering internet speeds that are faster than many urban areas.
It is noted that due congrats are not offered to Quigley and NBN V1 regime for putting that in place for Fifield to take the glory.....
Under Labor, the NBN Interim Satellite Service was poorly managed, slow and congested.
I'd like to see the nitty gritties of that � just a wild statement otherwise
Labor�s already tried and failed to deliver the NBN
but but but ....the only stuff working in Fifield's quagmire is Fixed Wireless, Satellite and FTTP...all Labor NBN initiatives and started under NBN V1 ...FTTN, LNPs only contribution, is a disaster
God, please make Labor win the next election...... the lies are just too much
That is embarrassingly pathetic. Its at a 5 years old level, complete with whining and finger pointing.
After nearly three years they still can't get into governing mode and are stuck in opposition mode.... does Fifield have any idea at all what his Ministerial responsibilities are....?
The FY2016 target
Thanks for the data Ozzie...I still hold the vies that if my high school and Uni pass marks had have been reduced to 40 % of the norm I could call myself a genius.
Though repetitious , Telstra doesn't seem to like the targets as they are $3B short on the Agreement, so how can the 'reached' targets which are so much feted by Fifield, Turnbull and Morrow be considered realistic in pure business terms....?
If the 'feted' targets are realistic why are taxpayers stumping up $500k through Cormann's office for consultants to work out how NBN Co can fund and complete the project. ATthis stage NBN CO were supposed to be generating enough revenue to pay back the govt and fund itself....not happening Jan.....!!
I got tired of scrolling through the dozens of angry replies and I am somewhat amazed � 0 positive replies. Normally you'd get some glued on old LNP lovies, but it seems even they can't stomach that much bullshit.
I suppose that the paid trolls who frequent forums to argue government propaganda aren't paid to visit minister's own websites, so that may be the explanation for the lack of support.
Telstra has effectively been bought out,
You might have to expand on that a bit....
ministerial, nothing there about that their plan was to do jack shit for 4 years, as it was prophetic of the lnp retaining power at the next election.
though i'm betting that it doesn't happen and high ranks within the lnp are going to be shitting themselves them backing malcolm, and they will be ducking for cover not to see themselves inside of a prison cell or worse in the docks on treason and fraud charges..
the ones not on life sentences will likely end up on death row..
Where are Kingy and Zealot...??? ...even Fifield..."
I want them to keep telling me how good their FTTN is...!!
It was unable to be installed due to network shortfall.
To make matters worse I've had no adsl for 1.5 weeks and both telstra and tpg will not let us go back to adsl. Now i am stuck with no Internet for an undetermined time.
Wow man thats just sad.
There are so many of these stories. I hope they spread the word how bad FTTN is, from signup to actual service.
Where are Kingy and Zealot...???
They've finally developed the psychological concept known as 'logic', and are now in hiding, due to shame, for supporting such a disgraceful technological implementation...
...Let us all sing songs of praise!
When the election rolls around, I'm voting both upper and lower, for whichever party, and whoever, is adamantly pursuing FTTP.
I will ACCEPT FTTdp, BUT ONLY with the ability to Opt-In for FTTP, at a REASONABLE cost, FOR EVERYONE; MUCH unlike the current situation of an ESTIMATED $5,000+ for a single premise, and then have NBNCo stall and delay and avoid.
As I posted previously � My area isn't due for even so much as CONSIDERATION, until 2019, at the current rollout rate.
I sincerely hope and pray, that, by then, we are either back to FTTP or FTTdp with opt-in for full FTTP at a REASONABLE COST!
https://delimiter.com.au/201
God i hope they don't come to the western suburbs... Sorry to those in pakenham for FTTN, although fixed wireless and HFC doesn't seem that much better tbh
lnp masters of the con, confusion, conflicts of interests of business dealings...
spreading lies to boot...
LNP masters of a con and fiction.
I wonder what happened to "sooner, faster, cheaper"? After all, it was Malcolm Turnbull who kept telling us this at the last election, and that he had a "fully costed plan"!
it is called winging the bullshit and lie off their face and pass the blame games to the adnorsium.. cloister..
as for fully costed they've cooking the books so long they wouldn't know which was truth...
only solution is to blame labor, to the hilt hoping the bullshit and mud stinks them out...
sad to say both sides are to blame for the state of mess we are in.. they are equally to blame, more lnp...
I wonder what happened to "sooner, faster, cheaper"?
https://www.liberal.org.au/our-policies
The SOONER they can get voters to forget about their various UP TO 2016 sooner, faster, cheaper NBN plans, the FASTER they can attempt to offload, failing NBN Co network assets back to Telstra, at a massively CHEAPER net benefit to Telstra and News Corp (via Foxtel), than if Telstra had invested their own $ to upgrade their HFC and Copper Networks in the first place, or News Corp had built their own fixed lined PayTV content delivery infrastructure.
I wonder what happened to "sooner, faster, cheaper"? After all, it was Malcolm Turnbull who kept telling us this at the last election, and that he had a "fully costed plan"!
Remember this and where we are now, what a total mess generated by the LNP .http://www.theregister.co.uk
Swift1 Only By Fibre writes...
http://www.theregister.co.u
Abbott told parliament that under his government "pits and pipes "will not be touched" over last 500m,"
That partly explains why all the back-tracking on FTTdp located in the pits.
"NBN equals asbestos equals stop the network � that's just crazy"
Can't wait for the Federal Coalition to bring out the Asbestos bogey-man scare tactics, after Federal Labor release their NBN election policy of fibre deeper into the network. I'd be amazed if they didn't bring out this one again.
God i hope they don't come to the western suburbs... Sorry to those in pakenham for FTTN, although fixed wireless and HFC doesn't seem that much better tbh
Fifield & his cronies or FTTN?
Unfortunately if your talking about FTTN it's definitely on the way. The Kings Park rollout which covers my area is rapidly nearing completion & will be active by the end of the year, August in my suburb. :(
Just came across this article by Nick Ross 20 May 2016 that I had missed and was posted in this forum but apparently not discussed. It's well worth a read along with the Nick Ross article of 2012 lined below that Nick cross refers to in his recent article.
http://www.abc.net.au/techno
Huge doubts cast over Coalition's 'cheaper' NBN alternative
They've finally developed the psychological concept known as 'logic', and are now in hiding, due to shame, for supporting such a disgraceful technological implementation...
you must be new here... :P
"Under the Coalition, the rollout of the NBN is on budget" Hmmm, I wouldn't call a massive cost blowout from $29 billion to $56 odd billion 'on budget'
" and on track to meet its corporate plan target of 2.632 million premises ready for service this financial year." Revisionism at it's finest, anybody remember "25Mbps for everyone by 2016"?
Interesting it complains "the NBN Interim Satellite Service was poorly managed, slow and congested", the very system the LNP insisted was all that was necessary! Of course the interim satellite service was slow and congested, that's why we needed new ones.
It then goes on to say "In April this year, rural and remote Australia began to connect to NBN�s Sky Muster Satellite Service, delivering internet speeds that are faster than many urban areas". So basically boasting about the very service that they said wasn't required, and which Labor went ahead and ordered anyway. Lucky thing somebody found the satellite slots!
Too bad there are going to be a lot more users than was previously required. I understand the second satellite will be required immediately on commissioning, rather than just being an active spare.
RockyMarciano writes...
http://mitchfifield
I feel that Mitch Fifield is like a wind-up doll that has been switched to Evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vTCzi8WY3Y
https://twitter.com/senator
Labor's nbn plan. Wait longer, pay more.
5 hours after tweet launch.
1 retweet (fat fingers)
1 like (self adulation)
19 hours after the tweet and still only 1 retweet and 1 love/like.
It's as though ppl reading it are just reminded that
Under the Federal Coalition's NBN plan you'll have to wait at least 4 more years and someone will have to pay double the original forecast price than was previously promised under the Federal Coalition.
When you don't have anything positive or constructive to say and you don't want to draw attention to your team's flap-ups, then just STFU. Especially on public Social Media like twitter.
http://www.morningstar.com.a
Any issues with the caretaker convention on this?
Any issues with the caretaker convention on this?
if the negotiations were under way BEFORE the election was called than I can't see any, as NBN Co are supposed to carry on doing what they do.
If negotiations started after the election was called, then it may move into an area of concern
Forgot who linked this video, but just watched it https://youtu.be/WZRiuT5I7e4
Few surprises (for me anyway) for hfc on slides 4-7
Hfc requires 2 devices in premises, NBN supplied NTD plus an RSP supplied gateway. And if the customer wants cable TV they need a third device. And even if the customer attaches a ups to these devices, the network doesn't work in a power outage.
Also "existing phone sockets won't have dial tone unless connected to voip gateway by a registered cabler at end user cost" � yet another cost shifted to the customer if they require a home phone (personally I haven't had one connected in 10+ years but I imagine this will most affect the people who least want to change over to nbn) how is this "cheaper"? Every step of the way we have been conned by mtm.
That media release pretty much sums up Fifields entire contribution to the NBN debate.
Which in turn can be reduced to a few words � much like that famous prescription in Animal Farm:
'MTM all good, NBN all baaad.'
Great to know the comms minister is just as knowledgable as most of his predecessors.
Fifield & his cronies or FTTN?
Unfortunately if your talking about FTTN it's definitely on the way. The Kings Park rollout which covers my area is rapidly nearing completion & will be active by the end of the year, August in my suburb. :(
:(
i live in 2 suburbs with divorced parents. My mums area getting fixed wireless next year at werribee south despite some areas of werribee and point cook having FTTP, the only area possibly even getting FTTP in Werribee South is the Marina which isnt even finished. My dads area of Altona Meadows is getting HFC if that hasn't been halted (i did see fibre backbone being installed near the Laverton train station), this year. Neither option i am happy about.
I hope one day, they will pay for what they have done. Being remembered as the most useless government in the history of Australia isn't enough with the way they have crippled our country.
Any issues with the caretaker convention on this?
None. It's business as usual, and it's not the government as a government owned company, not the government. Government owned companies are not affected by the caretaker convention unless what they do/announce is of political significance (e.g. the announcement related to DOCSIS 3.1 rollout that is supposed to come later this month has been flagged as being of concern, although NBNco claim the announcement was scheduled long before the election was called.)
Basically NBNco have a letter of expectation they are supposed to work towards until another LOE comes along.
the announcement related to DOCSIS 3.1
I thought it isn't 3.1 yet? At least full duplex aint happenin for a while...
Also LOE?
A great real life example of actual difference in technology using current policy (LNP) vs the previous policy.
A great real life example of actual difference in technology
and The sad thing is that is FTTP vs FTTB which is much better then FTTN as a comparison.
difference in technology using current policy (LNP) vs the previous policy.
A real world example and very telling of the state of affairs that is the LNP broadband policy.
Wynne has been in contact with Optus, who said there is nothing wrong with the network installed to his premises. NBN, in turn, said there is no issue with the NBN network in his area.
This could be a technical fault, an issue with the customer's modem or wiring, or the amount of data capacity that the retailer has bought in that area."
These sort of issues are really going to diss off customers. Where neither RSP or NBN will take responsibility. What a clustermuck!
What a clustermuck!
It says ...
His home network was lucky to get nine megabytes per second. "And at night, when everyone is streaming TV, forget about it. I tried to download a movie at home the other night. It was going to take 23 hours.
What would cause FTTB to deliver just 9Mbps download and why is it so much worse at peak times? Possibly more to the point, why don't the NBNCo and Optus seem to care?
What would cause FTTB to deliver just 9Mbps download and why is it so much worse at peak times? Possibly more to the point, why don't the NBNCo and Optus seem to care?
My thoughts exactly. FTTB in the absence of congestion should be at least 50Mbps and probably 100Mbps. And since it is an MDU, congestion between the DSLAM and the Access Aggregation Switch is unlikely because the number of premises sharing the backhaul is low.
The fact that it slows down in the busy hour tells us that there are problems between the node and the Optus network. Most likely explanation is that Optus simply have not purchased enough CVC at that POI, and that the problem is not in the NBN at all.
It's also quite possible he has a shitty drop cable and his connection is syncing at 10Mbps to his home gateway. I've seen that one before. I was once in a small ISP and you wouldn't believe how many customer complaints we fixed by dropping a good Cat5 drop cable into an envelope and mailing it out.
The quote is megabytes per second, not megabits per second.
Good pickup. Although the author seems to be so bad he might actually mean megabits.
Still 9 MBytes/sec would be pretty good download speed to any real server. I wonder if the guy might be comparing how long it takes to download off their in-house server when he's at the office or at home?
Government owned companies are not affected by the caretaker convention
nbn� say they are affected by the caretaker convention (and they have already been accused of breaching it).
https://delimiter.com.au/201
Still 9 MBytes/sec would be pretty good download speed to any real server.
9 megabytes per second for 23 hours is over 720 gigabytes. Looks like someone might have made a mix up with their figures somewhere.
9 megabytes per second for 23 hours is over 720 gigabytes.
The quote was His home network was lucky to get nine megabytes per second. "And at night, when everyone is streaming TV, forget about it. I tried to download a movie at home the other night. It was going to take 23 hours.
9 MBps = 72 Mbps. So his home network gets ~75% of his work network speed? At night the speeds are less � (1 movie per 23 hours). This is not a very precise metric but is probably significantly less than ~72Mbps.
Edit � actually a re-read show the speeds are messed up.
Tests showed Wynne's studio rarely gets download speeds of less than 95 megabytes per second, even during peak periods. His home network was lucky to get nine megabytes per second. "And at night, when everyone is streaming TV, forget about it. I tried to download a movie at home the other night. It was going to take 23 hours."
Typical carp journalism. CARP! :)
Additional Edit: Perhaps the studio is a Gbps?
I dont really think so but it could be. Optus did have 1 Gbps service according to the NBN Wholesale report as of 31/03/16.
Additional Additional Edit:
It isnt Gbps � He signed up to the same plan with Optus, offering the same speed and unlimited data as his work connection.
See edited post
He's comparing ftth with basically fttn..
Wynne's apartment is also on Brunswick Road, just three kilometres from the studio. Six months ago the NBN network was installed. He signed up to the same plan with Optus, offering the same speed and unlimited data as his work connection. The difference is, instead of fibre to the premises, the optic fibre cable only goes as far as the basement of the apartment block. From there it is dispersed via the old copper network.
A great real life example of actual difference in technology using current policy (LNP) vs the previous policy.
Mark Opitz is a legend, it was worth a read for that alone.
But this doesn't even touch on one application of fttp that studios will find super important in the future.
With a low latency fttp connection it is possible to have session musicians play live, from a remote location, in a recording session.
This is a competitive advantage for a studio as it reduces costs for their customers and increases the talent pool.
Thus is not a hypothetical use either, I have spoken to someone in Brisbane doing this now.
The quote is megabytes per second, not megabits per second.
Yeah, and it also stated 95 Megabytes per second for the FTTP connection.
Typical of journalism now given the lack of sub editors.
Thus is not a hypothetical use either
Indeed, I have made or at least attempted to make use of such possibilities for over 20 years.
And studios these days do not have $4k/month for ridiculously slow ISDN.
P.S. Just look at the collaborative features built into DAW software like Steinberg Cubase these days.
These sort of issues are really going to diss off customers.
They are, so it's a pity the number of endusers involved isn't much higher during the election campaign.
The coalition has a great deal to answer for, over the way it has imposed the woeful MTM policy.
Where neither RSP or NBN will take responsibility.
This seems a familiar and longstanding situation � you only have to substitute Telstra for nbn� there, and that kind of scenario has been going on for many years. It seems nbn� have learnt well.
Good pickup. Although the author seems to be so bad he might actually mean megabits.
It does seem that way, in the context of the article. So it sounds like the intention was to mean 9Mbps.
Which suggests there could be a number of other factors arising from that particular FTTB installation. Yet another reason for endorsing the use of FTTP, as a means of trying to reverse that Aussie plunge from 30th in the world to a lowly 60th.
as a means of trying to reverse that Aussie plunge from 30th in the world to a lowly 60th.
I saw a graph the other day where we are 67th, and out ranked by countries you would never have thought would have come even close to us.
We are a joke in the international stage when it comes to Internet connectivity. Yet all we see our government do is brush it off as though that is enough to raise our ranking!
We are a joke in the international stage when it comes to Internet connectivity.
Yes, so thank God we now have a government that fully understands the need for innovation and agility.
With a rap like that they're bound to do the right thing about restoring our global broadband rating.
Which suggests there could be a number of other factors arising from that particular FTTB installation.
This is where I keep getting to. Forget the FTTP argument for a while ... FTTB is a tried and tested technology. So's FTTN for that matter. They've been used successfully around the world. Why is the NBNCo having so many problems here? It's hard to see it being the technology itself. So is it the copper or the backhaul to the node or something else. It's hard to tell with the CVC issue muddying the water. Perhaps that's how the NBNCo and the RSPs like it.
Can you just imagine the outcry's is the Government invested over $50B on upgrading Broadband Networks and most premises could only usually get <15Mbps download speeds during ever lengthening peak usage hours on the upgraded Networks.
Trying to blame the premise owner/occupants or the RSP's is just not going to wash it with the public.
NBNCo can sing until the cows come home about how they are meeting their targets to deliver XYZ PIR line speeds to the RSP's.
The Federal Government will be held responsible for ensuring that the NBNCo wholesale pricing and regulatory regimes for the RSP's, and consumer laws actually result in the minimum speeds that are required during peak hours.
This could be one of the biggest election issues at the next but one Federal Election in 2019 (or earlier if the next Government does not last it's full term or goes for an early election).
This is where I keep getting to.
Exactly (you're not the only one).
Why is the NBNCo having so many problems here? It's hard to see it being the technology itself. So is it the copper
Both the FTTN and FTTB tech are well proven elsewhere, so why are we still being fed this nbn� line that they have to run long, multiple pilot installs to see if it actually works?
Does the tech magically undergo a form change when it crosses the equator � or is nbn� dragging it out until the election is safely out of the way before the reality can be exposed?
FTTB is a tried and tested technology. So's FTTN for that matter.
FTTB i can accept, FTTN i can't. I mean yeah it's been used worldwide and they probably didn't have as much installation problems as we do but why should we use outdated technology while the rest of the world is moving on? Why are we using such technology without even planning ahead especially for a large country as ours? Because it isn't about whats best for Australia anymore, its whats best for them. They don't care to see us suffer, they care about their pockets.
moved from other thread
gpon writes...
FTTN delivers a solution faster for the vast majority of people.
But at what cost?
Does the massive cost, justify the benefits?
How much will it cost to upgrade the FTTN?
What will be the foregone benefits and missed opportunities, and damage to the economy, business, other organisations and the Australian people and workers of all ages, from having FTTN as opposed to something better?
What will be the risk of the costs of upgrading or overbuilding the FTTN being so great than any substantial wide spread upgrade of the FTTN is delayed far beyond when it is needed?
Does the massive cost, justify the benefits?
According to the SR ... scenario 4 (no FTTN) matches the roll out speed of the MTM (with FTTN), is cash flow positive in the same year as the MTM, delivers a similar IIR to the MTM and craps all over the MTM for performance of the end result.
There is no justification for FTTN. Never has been.
Both the FTTN and FTTB tech are well proven elsewhere, so why are we still being fed this nbn� line that they have to run long, multiple pilot installs to see if it actually works?
Because if they told us the truth, which is that there is a 2-3 year lead time getting the OSS/BSS in place for a new (to them) technology, nobody would believe them? The pilots are to give the developers something to test their code on....
Seriously, this explains most of the delay in FTTN and HFC deployment. FTTP deployment, on the other hand, has been running along at a fairly decent clip because they started on the back end for that in 2010 or so.
According to the SR ... scenario 4 (no FTTN) matches the roll out speed of the MTM (with FTTN), is cash flow positive in the same year as the MTM, delivers a similar IIR to the MTM and craps all over the MTM for performance of the end result.
There is no justification for FTTN. Never has been.
Yeah, I wonder how the current regime would justify the decision?
This could be one of the biggest election issues at the next but one Federal Election in 2019
And Turnbull,Telstra and News Corp shall be remembered for the Billions wasted on this crap project.
Why didn't they send Christopher Pyne to Computex... He may have learned something...
https://newsroom.intel.com/e
...the transformational impact technology has on industries around the world. Billions of smart and connected devices, new data-rich services and cloud applications fueled by the Internet of Things (IoT) will bring new and exciting experiences to our lives, ushering in the next wave of computing.
As video approaches 80 percent of all Internet traffic*, delivering visual content quickly and efficiently via the cloud is a top priority for service providers.
As an example, Intel showed a 360-degree live-streamed virtual reality jazz concert delivered from the legendary Blue Note Jazz Club in New York to Computex using hardware-assisted 4K video delivery on Intel Xeon E3v5 servers.
And with every experience comes enormous amounts of data. The machine learning revolution is expanding insights across every form of computing. From autonomous driving to media to health, technology is freeing human potential with intensive compute power operating on massive datasets.
Yeah, let's throw some rotting copper at that, and Bob's your VR Uncle...
FTTP deployment, on the other hand, has been running along at a fairly decent clip because they started on the back end for that in 2010 or so.
More to the point, it is actually a much easier deployment from a design perspective...
We are a joke in the international stage when it comes to Internet connectivity. Yet all we see our government do is brush it off as though that is enough to raise our ranking!
We have always been a joke since Dialup / ADSL telstra days. Its this monopolistic company plus the howard (LNP) sell off of telstra that is the cause for today's internet and its substandard in Australia.
Somehow the guys at Telstra thinks that every bit that traverses through the networks have arbitrarily high value like magic dust or something. So they charge like a wounded bull.
Mean while you go overseas, you can download / upload as much as you want. These telcos don't place value on the bits going through, they just want people on it and market share.
This same mindset of giving us crap internet still exists today? why? so they can extort people with business plans.
Meanwhile the world has moved on, the productivity/brains of this country will also move with it overseas and Australia won't get the money. Another few more years of this nonsense, insane housing prices and generally gouging rip off culture. I can tell the young will leave for overseas opportunities.
Innovation, LOL, do the libs even know what it means? Juuubbbs and Graoath. LOL. In their dreams.
Liberal have announced their brand new plan for NBN!
(5 paragraphs of Liberals new, stronger NBN are complaining about Labors NBN)
Just read this. The Chaser could not have done a better parody
For those who have not seen it:
But Labor
But Labor
On track and on budget
growth and jobs
We are also delivering broadband to businesses and homes in our regions. (um, also? OUR regions?)
We deliver SkyMuster (the sat Mal did not want)
But Labor
But Labor
But Labor
"gpon writes...
FTTN delivers a solution faster for the vast majority of people."
LOL yeah right...
What will be the foregone benefits and missed opportunities, and damage to the economy, business, other organisations and the Australian people and workers of all ages, from having FTTN as opposed to something better?
Exactly FTTN is well and truly the master of false economy on a grand scale.
"gpon writes...
FTTN delivers a solution faster for the vast majority of people."
Faster than what????
Hmmm � 5CPK -10 in S.A., RFS 13/5, and so far no-one has been able to get a connection, and have received no feed-back other than a generalised 'the is a problem with the network'. I hopped into the 6CAN [Canning] thread to to get a gist of how they were travelling. It looked a little like the same problems there.
It looks like the LNP dreams of getting a few areas hooked up to FTTN � and not quite enough so that people get an inkling of the contention and back-haul problems that will be coming are back-firing badly.
Hmmm � 5CPK -10 in S.A., RFS 13/5, and so far no-one has been able to get a connection, and have received no feed-back other than a generalised 'the is a problem with the network'.
Sounds like it's only "premises passed" and not actually RFS.
Hmmm � 5CPK -10 in S.A., RFS 13/5, and so far no-one has been able to get a connection, and have received no feed-back other than a generalised 'the is a problem with the network'. I hopped into the 6CAN [Canning] thread to to get a gist of how they were travelling. It looked a little like the same problems there.
I'd be concerned that there is a push to get areas RFS even if they are not ready because (a) it makes the current MTM look better than it actually is and (b) the NBN Co board may get a "bonus" that they actually do not deserve. While both are deceptive conduct, I am pretty sure the last one would be considered a crime.
If the flooding of FttN cabinets does occur with
Will I can tell you now, the fttn cabinets will be completely submerged around here.
Will I can tell you now, the fttn cabinets will be completely submerged around here.
Can't wait to see how the MTM comes out of the other side of the wild weather the east coast of OZ is experiencing this weekend !!
Just a hunch.......terrible !!!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see how the MTM comes out of the other side of the wild weather the east coast of OZ is experiencing this weekend !!
One can only imagine how many MTM workers will be diverted to fixing the nodes and copper over the next month as a result of this weekends East Coast Low(s), and what impact that has on the FTTN build, activations, diagnostics, repairs, fixes and professional installations. It's only going to draw more attention to the NBN/MTM pre-election and highlight the critical role that Government plays in delivering Essential Services, and assisting and leading in times of personal hardship during disaster recovery.
Mally cum lataly can no longer comment as such should b silenced given the conflict of interests he hides so well..
i started a thread for the city of belmont, off the ascot exchange, we are ear marked for fttn yet they seem to keep pissing money down the drain in doing minor repairs instead of overhauling network to be suitable for fttn, fttdp or fttp, they have spent money pissing it down the drain doing nothing in the last 3-4 years it is becoming a standing joke...
Will the history books record it was the Early June 2016 East Coast Low wot won it and turned the lights out for the Federal Coalition, with its reminder of what happens when you mix copper and water,
You have posted in the wrong thread...
With Phg's post I've started a thread titled 'Flooded FttN Nodes' (whrl.pl/ReDBI7).
Will I can tell you now, ...
Good attempt at trying to guess my real name U T C but my name isn't William. ;)
Jav
Good attempt at trying to guess my real name U T C but my name isn't William. ;)
Warning, warning...danger Jav Robinson...;)
Any issues with the caretaker convention on this?
Need to know timeline of contract etc however it is not unwise for Decmil to make an announcement now so as to establish expectations and advice of expenses incurred gearing up for FTTN ..in case Labor win and cancel contracts.....tidy payout can be claimed for 'change of mind' by NBN Co � the Telstra methodology.... get paid for nothing
nd it's not the government as a government owned company, not the government.
Morrow made commitment in Senate Estimates they would follow convention as if a govt dept......
Sounds like it's only "premises passed" and not actually RFS.
No its RFS. Just when you try and sign up � a tech will be booked and an install date arranged.
That day the booking will lapse, you'll be assigned a new date in a few days with the excuse "Network Shortfall". Process repeats in a few days.
As for the claims that FTTN is faster � they are a lie. The rollout stats themselves show that building a full FTTP area is not significantly slower than doing FTTN over an area. We are NOT rolling out FTTN noticeably faster � and that doesn't include areas like the above � which are marked for RFS but clearly aren't.
Need to know timeline of contract etc however it is not unwise for Decmil to make an announcement now so as to establish expectations and advice of expenses incurred gearing up for FTTN
What I found strange about the announcement is that it says Construction activities have commenced with the NSW regional centre of Wagga Wagga. Does this mean that they started work before announcing the agreement?
Not arguing. Just picking up on the points you raise ...
That day the booking will lapse, you'll be assigned a new date in a few days with the excuse "Network Shortfall". Process repeats in a few days.
What does "network shortfall" mean? A shortfall of what?
As for the claims that FTTN is faster � they are a lie. The rollout stats themselves show that building a full FTTP area is not significantly slower than doing FTTN over an area. We are NOT rolling out FTTN noticeably faster ...
But why isn't it faster? There's a lot less work so it should be faster. What's going on here?
What does "network shortfall" mean? A shortfall of what?
I have dealt with a few of these, the fibre required does not have a path or is too long to reach the premises from the multiport. Usually civil works is required to fix this, that can take months. I have found that if you escalate thru the nbn co itself it tends to get addressed quicker by the contractor.
I am not in the same league as Colin Wynne. But I am a student of electronic music. I would say that the whole article should be shoved down the throats of every LNP senator. If they hadn't already been brainwashed. This is what I have said many times on these forums about MASSIVE files being used in music production.
p.s I have received the Telstra gateway for FTTP. So I have got what Colin has got. Luckily.
What does "network shortfall" mean? A shortfall of what?
Could be a myriad of reasons. Reality is � the area is RFS � until you actually try and connect.
But why isn't it faster? There's a lot less work so it should be faster. What's going on here?
Not complete sure, that fact is just based off of the build stats.
I have dealt with a few of these, the fibre required does not have a path or is too long to reach the premises from the multiport.
The area in question is an FTTN area, where nbn� claim that the node is RFS but nobody can successfully order a service.
The area in question is an FTTN area, where nbn� claim that the node is RFS but nobody can successfully order a service.
Thanks for the clarification, I have only dealt with it in FTTH activations. Now that's troubling, RFS a node, when it's not ready, now that's one way of meeting targets.
Could be a myriad of reasons. Reality is � the area is RFS � until you actually try and connect.
Where I get to is ... if a node is RFS then all the backhaul and power is in place and there's a port for anyone who wants one. If that's not the case then it's not RFS. If it is the case then what can "network shortfall" mean?
Are they declaring nodes RFS when they are not ready?
Not complete sure, that fact is just based off of the build stats.
Yep, I wasn't doubting what you said. I'm just wondering what's going on at the NBNCo that they can't roll out FTTN as fast as they should. The same goes for FTTB. Are they holding back for some reason? For example, have they run out of money?
Where I get to is ... if a node is RFS then all the backhaul and power is in place and there's a port for anyone who wants one. If that's not the case then it's not RFS. If it is the case then what can "network shortfall" mean?
In regards to FTTH rollouts, my communications with the RSP/Nbnoc, vision stream who the contractor was, a network shortfall had to do with the fact that you couldn't get fibre from the multiport to the premises, for some reason. Logical reasoning, you would think that in a FTTN scenario, it would mean their is no fibre to the node. Then why is it RFS?
But why isn't it faster? There's a lot less work so it should be faster. What's going on here?
If they roll it out too fast, might they run out of money as the wholesale revenue from activations likely strongly lags behind the rollout expenses.
Are they declaring nodes RFS when they are not ready?
An increasing amount of reported enduser experience suggests that may be the case.
Perhaps there are two factors at play here � a desire to stress that MTM targets have been 'fully met' before the election campaign is over, coupled with an attempt to ensure that not too many people are actually online via MTM.
It would be very embarrassing indeed for the coalition if a significant number of people were to start complaining about lousy MTM service during the election campaign.
So the question is: Has the presentation of the MTM situation been influenced by any political issues?
If they roll it out too fast, might they run out of money as the wholesale revenue from activations likely strongly lags behind the rollout expenses.
Good point. There's also the payment to Telstra for the customer cut-over. The payment to Optus/Telstra could also explain the slow progress on HFC. I reckon you could be onto something here.
Are they declaring nodes RFS when they are not ready?
Not very quick on the uptake today CMOT? :P
Yep, I wasn't doubting what you said. I'm just wondering what's going on at the NBNCo that they can't roll out FTTN as fast as they should. The same goes for FTTB. Are they holding back for some reason? For example, have they run out of money?
I'm guessing that bringing a clapped out old voice network up to the standards for FTTN � is extremely difficult. It was never designed for this.
Laying fibre isn't as hard as everyone believes it is. In Saint Mary's Adelaide (where a few issues are highlighted atm) its mostly overhead wiring, and that would be extremely easy to simply drop in the splitter and wire a whole street.
In fact, doing that would be so easy, I do not see what benefit FTTdp could possibly provide.
But why isn't it faster? There's a lot less work so it should be faster. What's going on here?
Man hours is the biggest cost so how many man hours would be needed to see if the local copper is fit for use, and remediation as needed? Then going back a few times for every incident of poor speeds? In fibre's case, as long as there is room in the pipes (or using thinner fibre) you save time by just running fibre through the conduits.
This is the throwaway society making things cheaper to replace than repair but on a massive scale.
Could be a myriad of reasons. Reality is � the area is RFS � until you actually try and connect.
Exactly. I think it may be an euphemism for saying your connection does not work. It begs the question of how they determine a node is RFS. They could not have tested all the copper lines to all premises on the node.
In Saint Mary's Adelaide (where a few issues are highlighted atm)
On Node 5CPK-10-3 there are 217, with approximately the same number of "issues" on each of the other 19 nodes on 5CPK 10 � the "issue" being that no-one has yet been connected that anyone in the forum knows off.
It could be that only whirlpool contributors are missing out as we are most likely to complain about what is delivered, but I'd need a whole aluminium suit to be dressed to make that claim :-/
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