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From Twitter:
AFP Commissioner has referred matter to Police Integrity Unit to find out if media was alerted to #AFPRaids
Mr Morrow: I cannot confirm anything that is in that document. If that was our document,
it would be commercial-in-confidence. I cannot even confirm that it is our document.
Anybody can prepare something of that nature. Therefore the information that you are
asking, if you want to know the number of nodes or something then I am happy to take that
on notice.
K
Man I wish I had popcorn and had a few days off, Could have one hell of a weekend with this!
AFP Commissioner has referred matter to Police Integrity Unit to find out if media was alerted to #AFPRaids
Dont worry, it wasn't. The raids just happened to be over the road from a press contingent � running a live feed.
Turnbull said he expected NBN Co to have transparency equal to or greater than that of a "publicly-listed company".
He also said he had set out his expectations for transparency to NBN Co staff before publicly releasing the text of the interim statement.
"As I've said to NBN staff today, I'm not interested in being given information that people may think will conform to my particular political agenda, whatever they may imagine that to be," Turnbull said.
"We want from NBN Co nothing more or less than the plain unvarnished facts.
"I'm not making any criticism of anybody here by the way, let me be clear about that. But what we need in the future is the facts."
Be careful what you wish for Mal.
http://www.itnews.com.au/new
an update from change.org NBN petition.
for those with twitter there is a retweet button on the linked page
.@SenatorFifield NBN needs fixing not raids #AFPRaids
NBN Defender
Australia
20 MAY 2016 � News broke overnight the Federal Police raided the office of former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and a Labor staffer�s house � allegedly over �leaked NBN documents�.
Reports on the NBN�s failings have been ongoing, damaging the credibility of the Coalition�s Fibre-To-The-Node beyond repair.
It�s time for Malcolm Turnbull and Communications Minister Mitch Fifield to promise to fix this disaster and ditch the FTTN rollout this election. Please call them today:
Malcolm Turnbull � (02) 9327 3988
Mitch Fifield � (03) 9584 2455
Cheers.
Dont worry, it wasn't. The raids just happened to be over the road from a press contingent � running a live feed. of the raid
Bill Shorten just finished with his press conference at Mt. Druitt. Lots of mention of the NBN. Any chance we will see Bill quicken the release of the ALP NBN policy?
Any chance we will see Bill quicken the release of the ALP NBN policy?
No need for it immediately when the AFP have do made it an issue so well, I imagine it can wait a couple of weeks.
Mr Morrow: I cannot confirm anything that is in that document. If that was our document,
it would be commercial-in-confidence. I cannot even confirm that it is our document.
Anybody can prepare something of that nature.
So why the afp? They denied it was one their docs ..
weeman0890 writes ... whrl.pl/ReCQIg
... this hinges on the MSM actually reporting it accurately (so far no luck on that front).
How about this one ...
NBN leaks were of public interest, so why the late night police raids?
Let's be clear. The news stories about the failings of Malcolm Turnbull's National Broadband Network which led to last night's police raids on Labor were squarely in the public interest.
http://www.theage
The MSM has a stake in this. They want to know if journalists' metadata was used. I don't think they'll let it go for a while yet.
Bill Shorten just finished with his press conference at Mt. Druitt. Lots of mention of the NBN. Any chance we will see Bill quicken the release of the ALP NBN policy?
I'd be surprised if he does ... he doesn't need to at the moment to keep the NBN in the spotlight ... the raids have done it for him.
If the furore starts to die down, then perhaps ... but there's no real advantage to throw their policy on the table while the white hot issue of today are the raids and the rumour mongering of Coalition integrity (only rumours until proved is what the pollies would say).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2
The ABC has seen a warrant which suggests police are casting a wide net in their investigations. It names Senator Conroy, staffers, technology bloggers and four major media organisations, including the ABC.
Labor has claimed parliamentary privilege on documents that were seized at the Commonwealth parliamentary office and at the private home.
Yep, they are widening the net on the 'net.
Shortens reponses to questions show he is handling himself pretty well
Q: Are you suggesting that Malcolm Turnbull and Mitch Fifield have colluded with the NBN Co to set this up during an election campaign? That seems to be what you�re suggesting, there�s some collusion between the government and NBN Co to set this up now?
Bill Shorten repeats the argument there is no separation between the government and NBN Co. The NBN is not a lone gunman, he says, it is an arm of government.
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03:12
Q: You�ve said that Malcolm Turnbull as well as the NBN called in this investigation. Does this mean you are calling the AFP Commissioner a liar when he says there was no influence by government?
Bill Shorten:
No, and I will say it again clearly. The NBN Co have called the investigation but what I am not doing is saying the NBN Co is some separate entity from the Australian government. It�s owned by the government. The board of directors are appointed by the government.
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03:10
Q: Should there be public interest protection for whistleblowers who leak to media in this way?
Bill Shorten:
I think that is something we should consider, yes.
Well the NBN is certainly an election issue now and looks like Bill io going to nail Turnbull and the LNP to the wall on this one:
Before we ask questions about Medicare, I just want to make a brief statement about matters overnight involving the Australian Federal Police and the Turnbull government. It is an extraordinary and unprecedented event that the Turnbull government has called in the Australian Federal Police to investigate the leaking of documents which embarrassed and exposed the Turnbull government. We know that these revelations have shown massive NBN cost blowouts and unacceptable delays for millions of Australians. This is about the right for the public to know the truth. Mr Turnbull is going to extraordinary long links to stop Australians from finding out the truth about the cost blowouts in NBN. He is going after whistleblowers and he�s smearing his political opponents. The public has the right to know the truth and whistleblowers deserve protection.
Well the NBN is certainly an election issue now and looks like Bill io going to nail Turnbull and the LNP to the wall on this one:
You couldn't write a script better than this.
Bill Shorten repeats the argument there is no separation between the government and NBN Co. The NBN is not a lone gunman, he says, it is an arm of government.
Indeed, Funny how some think that they are separate entity's.
I just wonder who they are going to bring in as new CEO, now that Bill Morrow has been thrown under a bus and position made untenable...
Indeed, Funny how some think that they are separate entity's.
What would Labor know about it anyway? They only set it up in the first place.
Oh.
You couldn't write a script better than this.
Wouldve made a great west wing episode
great article, data retention should never have gone through and shows just how hard its going to be for whistleblowers in the future
http://www.theage.com.au/fed
More "In The Thick of It" I think.
or maybe house of cards... watch out for the train!!
great article, data retention should never have gone through and shows just how hard its going to be for whistleblowers in the future
http://www.theage.com.
Might help Labor rethink those metadata laws...
Statement by the MEAA (Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance) � the trade union and professional organisation which covers the media, entertainment, sports and arts industries.
https://www.meaa.org/mediaro
That delayed corporate plan update must've blown out pretty badly again to keep it so quiet, and scaring off any whistle blowers so blatantly.
So the Australian Federal Police, accompanied by an NBN staffer who was under warrant as a "special constable", raided political offices as the leadership of the country is being actively contested.
I wonder who the "lucky" staffer was?
I'd say a rather large leak on the project was about to be released and a pre-emptive strike has prevented that. Maybe the true state of the NBN was about to be released showing cost blowouts never foreshadowed.
Any chance we will see Bill quicken the release of the ALP NBN policy?
Probably not. The AFP would have it. Looks like someone in the LNP couldn't wait to get their hands on it.
I wonder who the "lucky" staffer was?
in similar situations it has usually been someone from an organisations legal department and they are used to identify "corporate" copyright data that may have been leaked
true state of the NBN
But the Statement of Expectations (http://www.nbnco.com.au/corp
ShushKebab writes...
Any chance we will see Bill quicken the release of the ALP NBN policy?
Probably not. The AFP would have it. Looks like someone in the LNP couldn't wait to get their hands on it.
all Bill needs to do is say that it seems that an working draft of a proposed policy has seemed to have accidently been included in any documents captured in the sweep.
Probably not. The AFP would have it. Looks like someone in the LNP couldn't wait to get their hands on it.
That's what I was thinking too.
But the Statement of Expectations (http://www.nbnco.com.au/corp
I'd say theirs a rather large black hole, what malcolm says and what is reality is different. Something that could break the lead of the coalition was about to be released clearly. It will come out but AFTER the election
Checking the odds on sportsbet
Liberal: $1.30
Labor: $3.50
in similar situations it has usually been someone from an organisations legal department and they are used to identify "corporate" copyright data that may have been leaked
This was interesting, especially considering what the AFP Commissioner said. If AFP need someone from the NBN to actually identify what data is what, then there does exist the possibility that they saw documentations that relate to the Oppositions policy on NBN and other matters?
all Bill needs to do is say that it seems that an working draft of a proposed policy has seemed to have accidently been included in any documents captured in the sweep.
Likely won't know for a few days atleast wether this has happened or not. If the LNP does snag a copy, I wonder, will Bill delay their announcement to adjust it, or simply carry on with it?
Likely won't know for a few days atleast wether this has happened or not. If the LNP does snag a copy, I wonder, will Bill delay their announcement to adjust it, or simply carry on with it?
Uncertain. I wonder if they managed to get that fabled "napkin" or "beer coaster" that we keep hearing about. The LNP could definitely use it to improve their NBN policy.
"NBN CEO Bill Morrow had previously warned staff that the leaks could be illegal. According to reports, the NBN had requested an AFP investigation as far back as December."
http://www.news.co
Morrow knew but Turnbull didn't!!!!! Cool. Tell me more!!! This what fascism is and acts of a narcissistic sociopath.
Too much happening today.
I cannot keep up lassy
Uncertain. I wonder if they managed to get that fabled "napkin" or "beer coaster" that we keep hearing about. The LNP could definitely use it to improve their NBN policy.
Maybe the LNP will go as low as to plagiarise it and call it there own MTMv2.
Nothing surprises me with this group.
Wow sportsbet paying 3.5:1 on ALP. I wonder what they are basing these odds on? the public being dumb enough to swallow hook, line and sinker?
Spain does not like you Turnbull.
https://translate.google.com.au/
To translate
Too much happening today.
I cannot keep up lassy
Can say that again, trying to read the news while reading about 4-5 WP threads is fun stuff!
Maybe the LNP will go as low as to plagiarise it and call it there own MTMv2.
If they did I think I'd be alittle happier with them...just alittle.
Wow sportsbet paying 3.5:1 on ALP. I wonder what they are basing these odds on? the public being dumb enough to swallow hook, line and sinker?
Mmm, that's what I'm guessing.
"unauthorised disclosure of government information"
Wait, I thought nbn was an independent GBE?
I've never seen Turnbull so rattled... Your seeds are ready to be sowed Turnbull.
Wow sportsbet paying 3.5:1 on ALP. I wonder what they are basing these odds on? the public being dumb enough to swallow hook, line and sinker?
It's due to Liberal supporters dumping way too much money on their own party to win. Where as the average ALP supporter is spending their money on things that are more important, a wild party just after the election, or a set of bald tires to do a massive burnout all up the footpath outside Turnbull's office.
Only joking, we all know only Liberal voters cheat enough to have money left after they pay 'their' taxes. Everyone else actually pays their taxes.
From the guardian, its on a live page so i thought i would just copy and paste here, hopefully its not outta line :-
Last night, federal police officers raided an office of a Labor Senator and a home of a Labor staffer looking for leaked documents from the NBN. The AFP commissioner Andrew Colvin told us the raid was done independently, the government and Labor were only told once the operation was underway, and the explanation for it was a little indirect, but the rationale seemed to be that the leaks were continuing even though the police had eyes on the alleged protagonists. The police also saw confident Labor campaign documents in the swoop but Colvin says don�t you worry about that, my folks are very professional, and in any case, privilege has now been asserted so the documents are sealed.
The minute the raids were unleashed, Labor went on the offensive. It went on the offensive for two reasons. The first is obvious � a political party is being raided in the middle of an election campaign, and the police are seeking material that is damaging to the prime minister of the day. This is serious stuff. I can�t remember any such high octane action being taken during the last twenty years I�ve been a political reporter. But the second reason is also obvious: politics. Events have given Labor an opening to talk about the NBN, something the government really doesn�t want to talk about, and there�s also an opening to put a question mark over the integrity of your opponent. What�s that old adage? Never waste a good crisis. Churchill I think.
Despite Labor�s efforts to maximise the opportunity associated with the material, the government�s reaction is strongly suggestive of the notion that it had nothing at all to do with these police raids. Both the police and the prime minister have ruled that out flatly, no hedge or grey area. With a denial so emphatic, it is reasonable to accept people at their word. But curiously, the prime minister has said today that he knew nothing of the investigation, which to me seems a bit odd. We have a major police investigation underway in a key government agency, and no-one tells the bosses in Canberra? How does that happen (she asks as a former public servant). Perhaps the NBN runs differently to public service agencies .. in any case, it�s odd. I would have thought at the very least a brief about the police investigation would have gone to the department and gone up to the portfolio minister. I would also think the prime minister, as a former communications minister, and the person whose public claims were being countered in the leaks, would have been kept in the loop by the relevant minister. And two ministers, the finance minister and the communications minister, are shareholder ministers of the company.
The prime minister today did not want to talk about this at all today, but obviously had to, therefore attack became the best form of defence. In Malcolm Turnbull�s version of history, Bill Shorten was being rude about the police, which of course underscored the fact he�s hopeless on national security. How dare an alternative prime minister be rude about the police?
If they did I think I'd be alittle happier with them...just alittle.
I wouldn't bank on them delivering any changes to their MTM. Say one thing, do the complete opposite.
If they get back in, that's the end of broadband for this country. This election is so critical to the broadband needs of this nation.
Do we keep going with the old ways of Telstra/Monopolies/Poor Service/Poor quality/MTM? � If Yes vote the LNP
Do we want something revolutionary, fast, scalable, reliable, upgradable and fix the MTM mess before it gets too late? � If Yes vote ALP
Come 2nd of July, if nothing changes. I'm done here. Enjoy whatever networks the libs throw at you. We get what we deserve.
Julian Assange weighs in on AFP raids: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1somvki
I wouldn't bank on them delivering any changes to their MTM. Say one thing, do the complete opposite.
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't expect any change from them at all. I can dream though!
Come 2nd of July, if nothing changes. I'm done here. Enjoy whatever networks the libs throw at you. We get what we deserve.
I've got my eye on Japan.
Wow sportsbet paying 3.5:1 on ALP.
I wouldn't be paying too much attention to that: http://johnquiggin.com/2016/0
I wouldn't be paying too much attention to that: http://johnquiggin.com/2016/0
I think these are good odds. I might actually throw $50 on it. =D
response from turdbull is very underwhelming. Lying schlep that he is
In contrast Labor is sending out very confusing messages about the whole raid situation.
Negative, quite clear actually.
Forgetting something? The raids make the leaked documents factual documents.
Turnbull's NBN will cost more and take longer.
Or did they just raid during an election campaign for fun?
I hope the AFP finds out who leaked this:
https://delimiter.com.au/201
What conference was that? clearly not the one we're talking about.
This one:
https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/733465968983166980
He really could, infact I wish he would.
He wishes that as well. But he's got an election to win so he must focus on a range of issues. If Labor wants to make the NBN a big election issue then the Coalition would be delighted.
Instead of complaining about the AFP's methods Clare should just fully co-operate with them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Clare hasn't said anything, neither has Conroy.
very close to completing one quarter
Whoa there! I thought it was meant to be done and dusted in 2016?! if they've only almost done a quarter, how have they hit their target you constantly claim they're always hitting?!
Tasmania would be the first state to be completed.
I feel sorry for the poor buggers.
Quite the contrary Rocky.
I tend to agree with Rocky ... but I tried to watch it with both eyes open.
'd like to see an evaluation of the leaked documents by the media (DeLimiter?) to determine what is so Commercial-in-Confidence (takes a drink of water) with these leaked documents.
As I understand it, the issue for the AFP is less that the docs are CiC, but rather that they were/could have also been sensitive government/cabinet documents.
If Labor The Coalition wants to make the NBN a big election issue then the Coalition Labor would be delighted.
Once again, mixing your parties up.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Clare hasn't said anything, neither has Conroy.
Clare must have been put in jail without us knowing for not cooperating with the federal police?
You mean he's actually going to follow through on his election promise and rollout the NBN in Tasmania? If so, that's quite a backflip.
No backflip. He has honoured all contracts in Tasmania. The Rudd/Gillard government had no hope of completing the rollout in Tasmania as planned.
Right on Que.
The rot has started to defend the fraud.
He has honoured all contracts in Tasmania.
Oh for the love of...Clearly you're a goldfish masquerading as a human. Impressive you can type though.
Turnbull/LNP promised FTTP. How's that one coming along? someone remind me...
The rot has started to defend the fraud.
Not upto their usual standard though...I think they're abit rattled...
As I understand it, the issue for the AFP is less that the docs are CiC, but rather that they were/could have also been sensitive government/cabinet documents
My statement still stands, which I'd like clarified:
I wouldn't be surprised to find that everything that has been leaked about the MTM and classified Commercial-in-Confidence (takes another drink of water) by nbn� was routinely published by NBNCo under Quigley.
Working as intended! By which I mean not working
Turnbull/LNP promised FTTP. How's that one coming along? someone remind me.
From memory, he promised BEFORE the 2013 election FTTP. After the the election he back flipped.
Not upto their usual standard though...I think they're abit rattled...
Good.
So they should be. :0>
They get their Jollys when you take their bait. Just ignore the trolls and they may yet go away.
Turnbull could talk about the NBN all day if he wanted to
For sure, not that the West Tasmanians care. Broken promises are broken promises. Renegs and backflips are all they see. Do you reckon they would trust him for a second time to screw them over again?
I doubt it. MT is in damage control down at West Tassie? Spin it how he wants. If anyone believes him again, they are the fool.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
But he's got an election to win so he must focus on a range of issues.
You mean he's got an election to win so he must lie on a range of issues.
If Labor wants to make the NBN a big election issue then the Coalition would be delighted.
LOL, yeah, right.
No backflip.
It would be a backflip worthy of a gold medal winning Olympic gymnast.
He has honoured all contracts in Tasmania.
Only in your mind � in the real world, he did nothing of the sort.
The Rudd/Gillard government had no hope of completing the rollout in Tasmania as planned.
Obviously � Turnbull was in charge when the rollout was halted!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Clare hasn't said anything, neither has Conroy.
Conroy hasn't, but Clare has. Clare implies that last night's raids were under direct orders of the Liberal party.
The AFP has contradicted Labor's suggestions. According to the Federal Police, there was nothing political about last night's raids.
No backflip. He has honoured all contracts in Tasmania.
http://www.itnews.com.au/new
"Obviously in the previous model, the infrastructure was going to be an all-fibre infrastructure," Switkowski told ABC Hobart radio this morning.
It's now not � you can try and argue all you want � FTTP is what Tasmania was promised and now they have either satellite, fttn or nothing.
From memory, he promised BEFORE the 2013 election FTTP. After the the election he back flipped.
Not quite � he maintained the lie until after the Tasmanian state election.
The AFP has contradicted Labor's suggestions. According to the Federal Police, there was nothing political about last night's raids.
News Corp was just there though � they were not tipped off.
It's funny that you and the other LNP supporters came back and are posting all of the same things at the same time.
Almost like you are singing from the same song book.
According to the Federal Police, there was nothing political about last night's raids.
Morrow also says that, as does Karina � their actions say otherwise.
he maintained the lie until after the Tasmanian state election
LOL, I stand corrected
FTTP is what Tasmania was promised
Promised by the Labor government.
The Coalition will finish Tasmania first and they'll get the upgrade in broadband that they need sooner instead of forever waiting.
Labor doesn't have a plan for Tasmanian broadband. It would be far more profitable for Shorten and Clare to concentrate on that.
Not quite � he maintained the lie until after the Tasmanian state election.
He certainly did.
WB Queeg 500 back to the madhouse. :0>
No backflip. He has honoured all contracts in Tasmania. The Rudd/Gillard government had no hope of completing the rollout in Tasmania as planned.
LOL so delusional.
Malcolm wouldn't be down in West Tasmania on damage control if he didn't reneg his promise on FTTP to West Tasmanians. Prior to election 2013. Once in power backhanded/backflipped them to Satelite.
Why do you think the West Tassies are so pissed off down there. The nation is pissed off with the MTM too. The upcoming election couldn't come any sooner.
The AFP has contradicted Labor's suggestions. According to the Federal Police, there was nothing political about last night's raids.
It's political by PROXY. The AFP was referred by NBN Co., and who has their hands in the NBN Co., if not the Turnbull Govt.?
Julian Assange weighs in on AFP raids:
When police conduct raids on the opposition during an election to hunt down media sources they are not only not doing their job--they're stopping all the rest of us from doing ours. It is not the role of policemen to interfere with elections, whether at their own iniative or at the behest of the government.
It's political by PROXY. The AFP was referred by NBN Co., and who has their hands in the NBN Co., if not the Turnbull Govt.?
I like how Turnbull handled this question by the press because a Prime Minister shouldn't engage conspiracy theories.
The Prime Minister was only made aware of the NBN leaks investigation yesterday. The AFP Police Commissioner said the same thing.
The Prime Minister was only made aware of the NBN leaks investigation yesterday. The AFP Police Commissioner said the same thing.
When were the shareholder ministers made aware of the investigation?
as does Karina
I thought Karina, like a grounded teen, had her nbn� tweeter phone put in Morrow's top drawer.
Tony Burke was just on News24 discussing the NBN raid.
A zinger of a quote from him on the Turnbull MTM.
It takes a special sort of incompetence to have a broadband policy that makes the internet slower
Turnbull could talk about the NBN all day if he wanted to. Bill Shorten would have trouble keeping up.
He couldnt even talk about it in interviews when he was the minister for communications.
The AFP has contradicted Labor's suggestions. According to the Federal Police, there was nothing political about last night's raids.
Because the AFP and politicians are top standing citizens that only do right and we must believe what they say. Assange is right these leaks embarrassed the LNP and hence the AFP raid.
Instead of complaining about the AFP's methods Clare should just fully co-operate with them
Because performing a raid on a political rival is the new in thing to do...just blame the top cop, he can be retired later.
because a Prime Minister shouldn't engage conspiracy theories.
Just spinning bullshit to sound like some form of truth. You should get out more Kingy. You can tell a politician is lying because their lips are moving, that goes for BOTH sides of politics, to think otherwise is delusional.
Not up to their usual standard though...I think they're a bit rattled...
Sure that you don't mean � (LOT) bit ratty'?
Conroy hasn't, but Clare has. Clare implies that last night's raids were under direct orders of the Liberal party.
Fair enough, just double checked and so he did.
there was nothing political about last night's raids.
What a load of bollocks. They were initiated by NBN co. Who controls them? 2 guesses.
When did he ever promise that?
Goldfish memory again. Prior to the 2013 election (as others have stated), maintained upto the election...Then he went in dry on tassie.
The Prime Minister was only made aware of the NBN leaks investigation yesterday. The AFP Police Commissioner said the same thing.
I'm sure you believe that. All the facts and evidence point to it being highly likely he was made aware sometime within the last 6 months.
The Prime Minister was only made aware of the NBN leaks investigation yesterday. The AFP Police Commissioner said the same thing
And you actually believe that the AFP would perform all of these raids on one of the 2 major political parties in the middle of an ELECTION without getting any OK from the Government? What else are they entitled to do???
I'm sure that if they detained and questioned the PM for a day or 2 on the eve of the election, that would be OK as well?
Because the AFP and politicians are top standing citizens
The AFP is an upstanding institution. Very strange that the Labor party should seek to undermine its reputation.
Turnbull is doing the right thing by letting the AFP get on with its investigations.
Very strange that the Labor party should seek to undermine its reputation.
The AFP has undermined its own reputation by this stunt...they do not live in a vacuum.
More importantly the AFP have concluded the saga of the leaked documents for us..
They are real, they were leaked.
The MTM will cost more and take longer.
Goldfish memory again. Prior to the 2013 election (as others have stated), maintained upto the election...Then he went in dry on tassie.
You're relying on what others say so that's a problem.
All the facts and evidence point to it being highly likely he was made aware sometime within the last 6 months.
The AFP Commissioner says otherwise.
When did he ever promise that?
Hi Kingy, MTM = FTTP in a "well connected" upmarket brownfield estate in Scott Buchholz's backyard in the Gold Coast Hinterland. /forum-replies.cfm?t=2526821&r=50424718#r50424718
The AFP is an upstanding institution. Very strange that the Labor party should seek to undermine its reputation.
Don't turn this away from what has been done. Righteous indignation is great at deflecting attention.
How many private companies can avail themselves of the AFP because someone might have breached CiC agreements?
To get any raid, there has to be a clear justification and cannot be a fishing exercise. There was no national security issue here or personal issue. At worst it is a commercial issue and should not have required the AFP to have become involved.
More importantly the AFP have concluded the saga of the leaked documents for us..
They are real, they were leaked.
The MTM will cost more and take longer.
This. Should be the biggest takeaway from this.
The Prime Minister was only made aware of the NBN leaks investigation yesterday
Shows the disfunction of the NBN when they made calls to the AFP in December and a person responsible for funding 30billion + of it has apparently no idea what's going on in his own back yard. Even after leaks continued months after the NBNco informed the AFP (allegedly) You don't believe the rubbish you actually write do you?
At worst it is a commercial issue and should not have required the AFP to have become involved.
NBN Co has stated that it was "intellectual theft". It doesn't make sense for a business not to protect its own financial interests.
More importantly the AFP have concluded the saga of the leaked documents for us..
The stunt factor � they raided Stephen Conroy's office and everything they took is covered by privilege and has been sealed and the AFP cannot look at it. I'm not sure how this helps their investigation?
I'm not sure how this helps their investigation?
To be honest when NBN first approached the AFP they probably didn't realize it would take 6 months for them to act.
The little bird brain inside NBN's head should have been thinking
"it is an election year.. what if this thing blows up in our faces during an election campaign.. naaaaah she'll be right"
I hope the AFP finds out who leaked this:
https://delimiter.com
It's funny, I think this leak actually helps the FTTP cause. According to NBN's internal figures, it would only cost an extra $8b to return to FTTP. For a 7% ROI instead of a 2.5%. For a rollout that doesn't have to be replaced again in 5 years time. For a network that doesn't cost $1b/yr to maintain and $300m/yr to power (*can't remember the exact figure off the top of my head)
NBN Co has stated that it was "intellectual theft". It doesn't make sense for a business not to protect its own financial interests.
A GBE paid for with public money.
The taxpayer has a right to know what their money is being spent on and the state of that GBE.
a person responsible for funding 30billion + of it has apparently no idea what's going on
Why should the Prime Minister be involved in the day to day management of the nbn?
NBN Co should decide whether to refer matters to the police. That's exactly what happened
Even after leaks continued months after the NBNco informed the AFP (allegedly)
Well, that's why the AFP say they made the raid yesterday. Leaking had been ongoing during investigations so the AFP decided to act.
they raided Stephen Conroy's office and everything they took is covered by privilege and has been sealed and the AFP cannot look at it. I'm not sure how this helps their investigation?
That's what I don't get as well.
The timeline looks very believable, 6 months from referral to warrant, especially with interviewing 20 nbn staff (and Christmas etc).
But surely they would have known they'd claim parlimentary privilege, which can't be resolved until you have a new government?
The taxpayer has a right to know what their money is being spent on and the state of that GBE.
Of course. I strongly support disclosure in the public interest.
But conclusions drawn from these leaks may wrong. The FTTN rollout is more likely than not to meet targets. IIRC, Morrow said in estimates that they weren't spending as much on copper as leaks suggested. So what public interest was actually gained from the leaks?
Why should the Prime Minister be involved in the day to day management of the nbn?
Who said he had to be, if a serious issue like a leak is to be investigated and more over the AFP involved I'm sure the person at the top would be informed.
The CFO/CEO don't know any of the day to day runnings (I'll take that on notice) you wouldn't expect turnbull to know either.
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