Thứ Sáu, 7 tháng 10, 2016

Will NBN always be so expensive?? part 1

  • 2016-Feb-23, 9:46 pm
    fadetonothing
    O.P.

    I have just been notified that my house is now ready for NBN, so excited I got online and started looking at plans with providers and its so bloody expensive.
    Just to give you an idea where I am coming from I am currently with DODO on ADSL2+ and get unlimited downloads with speeds of approx 11mbps downloads. Netflix quality is great and never any real issues other than having to turn the modem on and off occasionally if it drops out.
    For the same price through dodo on NBN I get something like 10gig download and up to the same speed I am on right now....... does that sound right???
    To get unlimited downloads and a faster speed I have to spend close to or over $100 a month.

    Any tips to getting a better deal or is that just how it is??

    Cheers.

  • 2016-Feb-23, 9:46 pm
    Alien(SF)

    fadetonothing writes...

    To get unlimited downloads and a faster speed I have to spend close to or over $100 a month.

    The $100 for unlimited downloads to me is good value, but wlfor that price you would expect zero congestion and always maintain the speed you're paying for.

    Since the NBN will now be using copper, electricity for nodes etc they will have to keep up expensive maintenance and power bills, so to answer your questions.. No. The nbn will never be cheap and at the moment it's a rip off.

  • 2016-Feb-23, 10:46 pm
    bigglesworth

    fadetonothing writes...

    and get unlimited downloads

    Do you really need unlimited? What does your modem show for actual monthly download?

  • 2016-Feb-23, 10:46 pm
    aliali

    fadetonothing writes...

    For the same price through dodo on NBN I get something like 10gig download and up to the same speed I am on right now....... does that sound right???

    I call bullshit.

    unlimited downloads with speeds of approx 11mbps downloads

    You pay $59.80 for that including phone line rental with no included calls.

    For NBN 12/1 unlimited (which is close to the ADSL speed you are currently getting) you pay 10 cents more including phone. Woopy doo a whole 10 cents more a month.

    If you want 25/5 then you pay $69.90 a month including phone.

    If you want 100/40 unlimited (assuming it is available) then you pay $99.90 including phone so not over $100.00.
    That is a connection that is 9 times faster down than your current speed and about 40 times faster up.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 8:14 am
    Newcrest

    fadetonothing writes...

    NBN, so excited I got online and started looking at plans with providers and its so bloody expensive.

    NBN is not expensive. Your ISP might be though.

    For the same price through dodo on NBN I get something like 10gig download and up to the same speed I am on right now....... does that sound right???

    No it doesn't sound right. Dodo's has an unlimited NBN plan for $60pm. Funnily enough that's the same price as Dodo's unlimited ADSL plan.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 8:14 am
    dgaust

    aliali writes...

    If you want 100/40 unlimited (assuming it is available) then you pay $99.90 including phone so not over $100.00.

    Not that you ever get it on Dodo, I have a 100/40 plan, this is during peak

    https://twitter.com/dgaust/status/700995125908893696

  • 2016-Feb-24, 9:01 am
    Jim

    NBN doesnt seem expensive to me. Its around the same cost as ADSL2/NakedDSL.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 9:01 am
    PC-Nerd
    this post was edited

    fadetonothing writes...

    Any tips to getting a better deal or is that just how it is

    1) you do not need unlimited downloads for a start. Compromise a bit to maybe 400 or 500 GigaBytes.

    2) The house phone is virtually free, no line hire and most calls included and call from house phone to other carrier mobiles are capped for $2 no matter how long, barring reasonable usage rules.

    You never get the modem/gateway show red and have to wait for it to re-sync.
    Streaming will be faultless and for several devices in your household.

    NBN is Internet heaven � simple as that and my cost have actually come down:
    I get 400Gig download instead of 100Gig.
    Free PRESTO for 6 month and yes we do love it and use it.
    Daytime speed is 87 to 93mbps as we get free speed boost for 24 month contract period.

    Our total bill for one mobile and Internet and house phones is $20 to 40 lower now due to a very good bundle from our provider where we have been customers since 1976. My wife gets free SMS and MMS now and gets $300 call allowance now. All stuff she had to pay separate for be4 this change in our total bundle for NBN etc.

    Free quality Gateway and they upgraded the firmware a few weeks ago ready for AIR network as well.

    Can use AIR network when interstate on holidays at Hotspots using my account allowance.

    Something to grumble at there? I don't think so. We had marginal ADSL with 3.6mbps at best and usually drifted back towards 2.5mbps. So with what we have now, I could not contemplate to go back to any ADSL2+ and otherwise as we live over 4kM from the Modbury Exchange. NBN is simply the best and our monthly cost has come down as we have a son interstate and other family relations intra state. So a win all around :-)

  • 2016-Feb-24, 9:03 am
    Newcrest

    dgaust writes...

    this is during peak

    That's nice, but a simple speed test doesn't represent your actual speed, so do some proper testing before you start sling mud.

    As the commentator wrote, faster than 81% of Australia.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 9:03 am
    PC-Nerd

    Most people are or ahould be aware that daytime speeds are a bit lower during peak time, early evening but that matters not as you can still stream hd video on several devices. Try doing that with ADSL2+

    People will always make claims that are not 100% true. When they do speed tests they should do it on two websites for a start and ensure that not much else is running to skew the results data.

    Anyway NBN is the best ever if members here are lucky enough to be able to connect to that fibre network. In my case fibre to the home and runs 19m through my roof to the NBN box in our computer room. Then the Gateway feeds the whole house via Wi-Fi and my desktop is via gigabit Ethernet port. Total satisfaction is the result and the bundle is cheaper than what we paid with our old ADSL2+

  • 2016-Feb-24, 10:00 am
    Alien(SF)

    PC-Nerd writes...

    Anyway NBN is the best ever if members here are lucky enough to be able to connect to that fibre network.

    Also being in S.A there's not really any congestion like there is in the eastern states. Pretty lucky here. We are spoilt with choices.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 10:00 am
    dgaust

    Newcrest writes...

    That's nice, but a simple speed test doesn't represent your actual speed, so do some proper testing before you start sling mud.

    Sure..... I have, enough so that Dodo let me out of their contract. Not a network issue as it's all cat6 cabled with gigabit switching.

    Streaming a single netflix stream will quite often buffer at peak, or if it doesn't buffer it becomes pixelated. Gaming pings increase from 9-18ms for east coast servers to >300ms.

    Anyway, thanks for your stellar input.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 12:39 pm
    Newcrest

    dgaust writes...

    Streaming a single netflix stream will quite often buffer at peak, or if it doesn't buffer it becomes pixelated.

    The 17Mbps that your peak-time speed test showed is way more than what's needed for a HD stream. The 343ms ping to Sydney seems more like the thing to be worrying about. My point is that your experience may not be representative of others, but you said "Not that you ever get it on Dodo" and gave just a single speed test as proof.

    The Google Video Report may have its flaws but at least it includes results from many users, and Dodo doesn't do all that badly according to Google.

  • 2016-Feb-24, 12:39 pm
    fadetonothing
    O.P.

    To be honest I dont know, the household probably watches approx 3-5 hours of netflix a day plus normal downloads with movies, tv and music, so I dont really know what I need as far as how much.

  • Mike

    My ISP is $55/m unlimited for either adsl or NBN at basic speed, and +$10 for 25/5.
    It would make economic sense to share with a neighbour, making NBN faster and cheaper :-)
    With ADSL, there is no spare bandwidth to share.

  • waylanderjobby

    Yeah I'm going live in a month on fttn, and I'm with internode on naked adsl 200gb for $59 a month and consistently get a good 17 Mbps all day even in peak hours. No problems streaming HD on multiple devices.

    But even for internodes bottom 12/1 plan with equivalent data it's $10 a month more and slower. And again for 25/5 it's more again for not that much speed increase. Add to that the congestion that most people seem to be experiencing, and my adsl seems to be a lot better.

    NBN is a downgrade really. I wouldn't mind if 12/1 was cheaper than adsl, and 25/5 was a little more. But $15 a month more really adds up.

    I'll be sticking to adsl till NBN prices drop and they sort out the cvc issues.

  • aliali

    Mike writes...

    With ADSL, there is no spare bandwidth to share.

    Depends on your speed and your usage.

  • aliali

    waylanderjobby writes...

    Internode on naked adsl 200gb for $59 a month

    So an old grandfathered plan that you can't sign up for any more.

  • Newcrest

    waylanderjobby writes...

    and I'm with internode on naked adsl 200gb for $59 a month

    Yeah, that was a loss leader plan. They used to sell a 60GB plan for something like $70pm. Then they retired the 200GB plan, and then sometime later they brought out a 150GB plan as a replacement.

    NBN is a downgrade really

    It only looks that way to you because you aren't comparing apples with apples.

  • Tuesday at 4:08 pm
    PC-Nerd

    Overated writes...

    This is more of a monopoly than post 2000 Telstra ever was

    I have always been with Telstra and happy with that as well.

    Now with NBN and Telstra as ISP and get 93mbps most of the day.

    So much better than it used to be. Bigger allowance by far now and 3 free doubling ups per year if required.

    Since Presto and Foxtel downloads don't count on Telstra as a download I am lucky to reach � of our monthly allowance.

    House phone is now almost zero cost even with interstate as well as intrastate phone/mob calls to relatives.

    My monthly bill has gone down 25 to30 dollars a month on average since October 2015 when we were connected to NBN.

    NBN is rock solid. How anyone cane complain about a decrease in bills and enormous increase in quality and speed of service is totally beyond me :-(

  • Tuesday at 4:08 pm
    Overated

    PC-Nerd writes...

    NBN is rock solid. How anyone cane complain about a decrease in bills and enormous increase in quality and speed of service is totally beyond me :-(

    Yes you have gone with a premium provider (as I will) and so your experience is good. Shame that the low cost providers are giving NBN a bad name.

  • Friday at 10:29 am
    It's Zapp Brannigan

    PC-Nerd writes...

    NBN FTTP since October 2015.

    PC-Nerd writes...

    Now with NBN and Telstra as ISP and get 93mbps most of the day.

    Most Australians won't get such speeds. :)

    NBN is rock solid. How anyone cane complain about a decrease in bills and enormous increase in quality and speed of service is totally beyond me :-(

    Anecdotal evidence suggests there are the potential for a lot more problems in MTM areas, at least during the transition period where everyone tries to get their services connected. For example, NBN find there is a problem with the wiring here, and somebody did something wrong requiring remedial work over there, and so on, suddenly the install take 8 weeks and multiple outages until it works properly (for instance).

    Problems with IT is not unusual. :) Even with Telstra, that you seem to like, before my cable internet was installed needed to ring them more than five times for a total of 10 hours, take 3 weeks beyond the initially projected time, and make three separate appointments ... When they did, I was then handed a bill for $1000 (with the charges dated to *before* the service was even connected! wha...?) which took more hours of phone calls (at least three times) to resolve. The first two times they said they had cancelled those charges, yet the charge still appeared on the bill.

    Anyway, my point is dealing with large IT corporations there is a lot of left-hand not talking to the right-hand IMO.

    Now, compel everyone to have to change their telephony services (required arranging appointments for people to come into your home, new plans, porting phone numbers etc) and you see the potential for problems? :)

  • Friday at 10:29 am
    trial by power

    I think majority og nbn plans are reasonably priced, the onlys which are expensive would be with premium isp's.

    I'm paying 165pm for mobile broadband and only get 26gb, so I am extremely looking forward to paying 75-85pm for 120-240gb anytime as currently I can't do shit with 26gb, watch a few youtube videos and one netflix show a day and after two or three weeks I'm munted and can't do crap for a week.

  • Friday at 1:10 pm
    Mugsy

    trial by power writes...

    I think majority og nbn plans are reasonably priced, the onlys which are expensive would be with premium isp's.

    That and entry level users.

    I'm on a $50/mth Naked ADSL2+ plan with 500Gb/mth and whilst I can't get NBN yet, I've been keeping an eye on plans and helping friends and family onto NBN. For those of us around that $50 price point, the trouble of having to switch providers, possibly get locked in to another 2yr contract to keep transition costs down, and hassle of finding something similarly priced and offering at least the same quota/speed/quality is annoying.

    If I was a bigger internet user, then the $100/mth 100/40 plans would be an awesome deal.

    But I don't watch much TV at all and have no desire to add a Netflix subscription to my monthly costs. So hopefully when the day comes when I'll be forced to move to NBN, there will be some decently priced entry level plans.

  • Friday at 1:10 pm
    PC-Nerd

    Mugsy writes...

    So hopefully when the day comes when I'll be forced to move to NBN, there will be some decently priced entry level plans

    There are many options to reduce costs by selecting say a 50/20 plan etc.

    My 100/40 bundle is just over $90 and includes a house phone with no costs per call locally and capped at $2 interstate to any landline or mobile network in Australia.

    So there would be ways to reduce costs by selecting a lower speed plan and different ISP.

  • Friday at 2:32 pm
    Mugsy

    PC-Nerd writes...

    There are many options to reduce costs by selecting say a 50/20 plan etc.

    I'm actually tracking 12/1 and 25/5 plans only... I have no need for anything faster. I really have no desire spending more than $50 a month for internet. Hell, I'd be happy to only get 200Gb/mth at $40/mth but current internet plans are designed to get people like me paying more than what I really need.

  • Friday at 2:32 pm
    pedrov

    Mugsy writes...

    I'm actually tracking 12/1 and 25/5 plans only... I have no need for anything faster. I really have no desire spending more than $50 a month for internet.

    Check out Telecube or Aussie broadband NBN plans. Both are ~ the price you are looking for.

  • Today at 12:07 pm
    ChurnMan

    $100pm is ridiculous money even for 100mbit which costs like $10-50 per month in other countries

    I have to pay $87 for 50mbit but at least its unlimited

  • Today at 12:07 pm
    ?zu??

    ChurnMan writes...

    $100pm is ridiculous money even for 100mbit which costs like $10-50 per month in other countries

    Most other countries aren't as sparsely populates as we are, and don't need to solely rely on their own submarine cable network to being data in and out of the country.

  • Andrew (N. Sydney)

    ChurnMan writes...

    100mbit which costs like $10-50 per month in other countries

    Where can you get 100Mbps for $10 pm?

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