So my mum tells me that we are not able to get any other internet asides from the one we have now ,which is Red Dirt, and they're shit. We used to have Ocean Broadband until Red Dirt bought them out, and my mum tells me we can get nothing else because we don't have a phone line. Multiple websites have shown me that ADSL is available in my area, but my mum told me we coudn't get it because it requires a phoneline. I recently heard ads on the radio for Amnet, and I checked them out, found out about the naked broadband. I showed my mum, and she said we couldn't get it. But it literally says that you don't need a phoneline. Am I or my mum correct?
Naked ADSL still requires a physical phone line connected.
Yeah but on the Amnet website it says you don't need a phone line
you don't need a phone line
It states without the need for an active landline number,
So you still need a pair of copper wires connected back to a exchange
Alright. It's a bit of a bummer that I'm stuck with this
I assume this lot?
http://rednetworks.com.au/index.htm
and their retail arm for fixed wireless
http://www.redbroadb
So you still need a pair of copper wires connected back to a exchange
Yep you still need a phone line connected even for naked, also you must be within range of the ADSL enabled exchange. This equates to a max of about 5km of copper and at that range you would only get about 2Mbit download speed (assuming the copper is in fairly good condition).
For decent ADSL speed the copper needs to be under about 3Km long (again assuming in good condition).
See
http://www.in
Isnt Red Dirt a One man operation ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pe
link warning, link contains swearing and its a reddit, and is not really happy with them.
Or here.........
For decent ADSL speed the copper needs to be under about 3Km long (again assuming in good condition).
4.5k's here, 5.5mbit sync.
link warning, link contains swearing and its a reddit, and is not really happy with them.
That's the OP's thread as well... Check the usernames, they're the same.
This equates to a max of about 5km of copper and at that range you would only get about 2Mbit download speed (assuming the copper is in fairly good condition).
For decent ADSL speed the copper needs to be under about 3Km long (again assuming in good condition).
For metro area its a reasonable rule of thumb but what was outer metro and rural areas you can get a lot more than that. I've done one at 8.5Km from the exchange and they were syncing @ 4.5Mbps.
For metro area its a reasonable rule of thumb but what was outer metro and rural areas you can get a lot more than that. I've done one at 8.5Km from the exchange and they were syncing @ 4.5Mbps.
After 5km you're generally looking at over 60db attenuation which then would require re-adsl2 modulation, is that how this was achieved?
After 5km you're generally looking at over 60db attenuation which then would require re-adsl2 modulation, is that how this was achieved?
Its nothing more complex than thicker gauge copper being used in those areas. My own line is 6.2Km with a theoretical attenuation of 53.5dB. It syncs @ 4Mbps with an attenuation of 59.5dB. Most metro copper is 0.40 gauge whilst rural is 0.64 or greater.
Most metro copper is 0.40 gauge whilst rural is 0.64 or greater.
Rural wise that is very variable. I also used to get between 3 and 4 mbit on around 5.7 Kms rural. Talking to a tech who was out one day remaking yet another corroded joint on my line I asked him about the copper gauge and he said the older stuff is indeed thicker, but anything laid in the last couple of decades tends to be the thinner 0.4mm. I assume improvements in PSTN tech allows for phones to work at longer distances on thinner wire than they used to.
0.40 gauge whilst rural is 0.64 or greater.
Those are not gauge sizes so I assume you mean mm diameter.
Talking to a tech who was out one day remaking yet another corroded joint on my line I asked him about the copper gauge and he said the older stuff is indeed thicker, but anything laid in the last couple of decades tends to be the thinner 0.4mm.
No the thicker gauge copper is still installed and is certainly still used as when a section goes faulty you have to replace it for like to like as much as possible. Theres been a few instances of people suddenly finding their ADSL goes to shit because a long section of cable was replaced with smaller gauge copper.
Those are not gauge sizes so I assume you mean mm diameter.
Yes :)
I assume improvements in PSTN tech allows for phones to work at longer distances on thinner wire than they used to.
No, Telstra is just cheap..
Can the OP clarify what we don't have a phone line actually means in this case?
Do you have a fixed line telephone that you can make calls with?
If not, have you engaged Telstra to provision a Standard Telephone Service?
OP, maybe try this bunch if they service your area: http://node1.com.au/residential_wireless.php
how much data do you need?
phoneline
Yes you need a phone line but not a dial tone
A new phone line install costs $299 from Telstra
A new phone line install costs $299 from Telstra
This won't help anything as the OP's exchange doesn't support ADSL.
Multiple websites have shown me that ADSL is available in my area, but my mum told me we coudn't get it because it requires a phoneline
when the government built our street they didn't build enough ports so options are limited
OP's exchange doesn't support ADSL
It sounds like Telstra have not provisioned a fixed line, otherwise he would simply get naked ADSL. If Telstra are refusing to provision a Standard Telephone Service then he should follow it up as a breach of the Customer Service Guarantee.
The compensation available if Telstra exceed the 20 working day timeframe for a new connection without infrastructure or spare capacity is more than sufficient to fund a prepaid 4G wireless connection until they get their finger out.
@NVA Here are the stats
You are 6268 m from GOSN as the crow flies.
Estimated cable length of 6268 m.
Estimated speed of
Zone 1
Thanks
OP, the only way you will obtain an ADSL service is by first connecting a Telephone Line.
And you still may not get ADSL even with an active phone service. The exchange may be out of ADSL ports or the phone line may be too long or in too poor condition. So getting a phone service over the copper network is not a guarantee of getting ADSL
You are 6268 m from GOSN as the crow flies.
Estimated cable length of 6268 m.
And given that at best the speeds are going to be the bare minimum 1.5 Mbit to 3Mbit if lucky.
Estimated cable length of 6268 m.
Yeh thats too long so don't expect to get ADSL
Your only real option is wireless which your already have
Can you do a speedtest @ http://speedtest.net and post the result here
Also how much data do you want?
Here is the result of 3 speedtests � http://imgur.com/a/4epKU
As for the size..... 50gb? I have 25 at the moment but it's not worth having big size if you can barely use it!
Yeh thats too long so don't expect to get ADSL
But the distance that ADSL2exchanges reports isn't always relevant. When you see distances over 6km there is probably a good likelihood that there's a closer sub-exchange or remote cabinet, and ADSL services may still be viable.
In fact, GOSN has two sub-exchanges and 4 remote cabinets.
speedtests
Don't care, those are between you and RedBroadband. Since you say you are only using 25GB at the moment then Optus has a 50GB 4G plan for $70pm.
If you want to know more about your chances for ADSL then post your suburb and your local region's Data ID from: https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/
Yeh thats too long so don't expect to get ADSL
Thats the distance of my service and I sync at @ 4Mbps. Sure the further out you are the less likely it is but unless you apply you won't know.
Here is what MyBroadband says about my area � http://imgur.com/K2VMct6
Here is what MyBroadband says about my area � http://imgur.com/K2VMct6
Not that, need the Data ID shown to the left of the map and the name of your suburb.
Sorry Data ID is GOSN:70 and the suburb is Southern River
Data ID is GOSN:70 and the suburb is Southern River
There's a sub-exchange at Southern River, but GOSN:70 refers to an ADSL1-enabled cabinet (hence the 8Mbps median speed shown on the mybroadband site) but unfortunately the cabinet is currently showing as full.
http://www.telstrawhole
You should probably consider the Optus 4G plan since you don't use a lot of data, unlees you are certain that you want ADSL1 and are willing to wait for a port to become available.
I checked the optus website and it says they don't offer at my address, but I got a text from them (they are my mobile data provider) about 3 months ago that they were upgrading southern river.
I checked the optus website and it says they don't offer at my address
I don't know, but did you check the mobile broadband plan?
Holy shit mate if this works.....
Holy shit mate if this works.....
Not looking good, I put a Southern River address in the Optus website and it said not available.
However, the Vivid website came back positive for their services:
http://www.vividwir
Not looking good, I put a Southern River address in the Optus website and it said not available.
http://www.optus.com.au/shop/mobile/network/coverage ?
"Southern River WA"?
It's covered in 4G....
"Southern River WA"?
It's covered in 4G....
Yes, but it appears that Optus limits the availability of their new 50GB plan. I put a Southern River street address in and Optus said not available.
www.optus.com.au/s
Oops... Home Wireless broadband is not available at your address.
at nn BUNDERA RD, SOUTHERN RIVER, WA 6110
Yes, but it appears that Optus limits the availability of their new 50GB plan. I put a Southern River street address in and Optus said not available.
Sounds kinda ridiculous. Based on what i wonder, congestion statistics or somethin?
Could sign the service up under a family member's residence instead... after all, it is mobile.
Its nothing more complex than thicker gauge copper being used in those areas. My own line is 6.2Km with a theoretical attenuation of 53.5dB. It syncs @ 4Mbps with an attenuation of 59.5dB. Most metro copper is 0.40 gauge whilst rural is 0.64 or greater.
ADSL operates on the copper the surface level "skin effect"
Copper wire gauge has nothing to do with attenuation or speed
But the larger the surface area the lower loss, so bigger diameter cables have less loss? Works for coax cables, thin ones are much more lossy than large ones.
Jim
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