Have to say that since Abbott and his 'anything goes if it means power' approach,
For anyone thinking that any NBNCo staff are being unfairly singled out in this NBN Co debate. Lest we forget this.
It's on Hansard that Morrow has had discussions with her about her tweeting...
Karina, keep up the good work.
I have your back
Bill
Bill keep up the good work.
I have your back.
Turnbull
turnbull keep up the good work
i have your back
murdoch
That I appear to be the only human in the whole world who appears to have bothered linking these 2 public documents to this issue is rather bemusing
I was very impressed that you researched and found these documents. From another person in the whole world.
Karina, keep up the good work.
I have your back
Bill
Bill keep up the good work.
I have your back.
Turnbull
turnbull keep up the good work
i have your back
murdoch
One after the other!
Classic Copper!
I will never say that.
;-)
A nice addition Murdoch.
I was very impressed that you researched and found these documents.
All it took was to type into google search engine
"NBN Code of Conduct"
"NBN Social Media Policy"
and look at the first few links presented as results.
All it took was to type into google search engine
"NBN Code of Conduct"
"NBN Social Media Policy"
and look at the first few links presented as results.
Yes it was a small thing but look how many people were better informed from that small action.
Please note that there is no sarcasm in this post, although using sarcasm is one of my tools on Whirlpool.
FTTdp is generally associated with DPU in pits or on polls outside homes and G.Fast or some other technology into the home
Mark � awesome that you're on WP! I heard your interview with Leon Compton on ABC Tas radio last week ... should really be put up on Soundcloud or made available as a mp3 so everyone can listen. If you have time, a few quick questions on FTTdP. The last run into the home is still copper afaik, and a lot of that copper is degraded (water seepage, worn by age etc.) so do we have an idea of the remediation cost? Also, I'm guessing it's a far more natural & (hopefully) easy process to replace that last bit with fibre ... is that something that could be done at any time after the distribution point is implemented & would it require any equipment changes at the customer end (ONT/NTD etc.)? Also, this is the one I'd like to see properly costed by someone � if it's possible to run everything on poles, how does the cost of FTTdp compare with FTTN, is it still marginally more expensive or could it be equivalent or even cheaper?
It's on Hansard that Morrow has had discussions with her about her tweeting...
Only had to google search "Hansard karina keisler" to find this interesting exchange between Conroy and Morrow about Keisler's tweeting.
Senator CONROY: Mr Morrow, to your knowledge do all NBN officers avoid activities that could give rise to questions about their political impartiality?
Mr Morrow : I do.
Senator CONROY: Are you aware that a senior member of your staff, Ms Karina Keisler, has been tweeting links to partisan materials?
Mr Morrow : That was brought to my attention, and I have had a discussion with her about that issue.
Senator CONROY: And the person is now aware of her obligations under the NBN code of conduct and the GBE guidelines?
Mr Morrow : I would state that there was no malintent. There was no intention to show any partiality on a political side of things; it was merely an intent of supporting the NBN Co brand. She is very well aware of that and I think will adjust some of her thinking going forward.
Senator CONROY: And if any officer, given that it has now clearly been stated on the public record, engaged in that conduct, what would be your response from this point forward?
Mr Morrow : Do a proper evaluation and take the appropriate measures with that individual.
Senator CONROY: But unfortunately it is not the first time it has happened. NBN Co officials have actually attacked members of this committee directly in newspaper articles. I have raised it with the chair previously, who undertook to do something about it, but it appears that message has not got through yet. I just want to make sure, from this point forward, there can be no misunderstanding that you would view this as a serious breach of the code of ethics and code of conduct that is up on the NBN Co website.
Mr Morrow : I can assure you none of the management team want to be in the political arena. It is our job to build out and support the NBN Co as defined by the government.
Yes it was a small thing but look how many people were better informed from that small action.
So Journo's are reasonably intelligent people up on tech stuff as a tools in trade....how come they don't take two minutes to look that up before they hit the news waves........
Only had to google search "Hansard karina keisler" to find this interesting exchange between Conroy and Morrow about Keisler's tweeting.
And this amusing exchange between Morrow and Conroy at the end of the last Senate Estimates hearing.
CHAIR: Senator Conroy, you have time for one last question, because I have one very quick one at the very end.
Senator CONROY: Yes, okay. You are all aware of the caretaker provisions?
Mr Rue : Yes.
Senator CONROY: It is probably safest if you confiscate Ms Karina Keisler's phone for the period of caretaker!
Mr Morrow : We would love to!
Senator CONROY: It is probably the safest thing you can do. I am finished.
Senator CONROY: It is probably safest if you confiscate Ms Karina Keisler's phone for the period of caretaker!
Mr Morrow : We would love to!
Morrow should be (maybe he already is...) in politics...say one thing and do the opposite.
Do the provisions apply to CEO's ?
Anyone remember that infamous table comparing the Coalition's NBN to Labor's NBN in the the Coalition's plan for Fast Broadband and an affordable NBN?
http://www.malcolmturnbu
The one that answered Disruption at user Premises? with a No for the Coalition's plan, and a yes for Labor's plan.
Here's a good example from yesterday's media of the kind of disruption at user Premises the FTTN rollout is causing.
http://www.theherald.com.au/
Opposite Lock owners Gordon and Mel Allerton, said their business had been left without fixed-line services for 50 days due to three periods of disconnection caused by NBN work.
They brandished photos of tangled, ageing copper wire protruding from the telephone connection pit in their street.
�The photographs of the pit we have got just show that fibre to the node does not work in the old areas of Newcastle,� he said.
�Every time they try to connect someone to the NBN, all six of our telephone lines get cut off.
�We have had three outages in 16 months and we do not want any more. We need a long term solution and we believe in this area it should be fibre to the premises.�
He estimated the disruptions had cost their business between $50,00 and $100,000.
He estimated the disruptions had cost their business between $50,00 and $100,000.
The cost to consumers doesn't matter. Just as long as there aren't costs to the bottom line of nbn�. Tell 'em to 'arden up!
s/
He estimated the disruptions had cost their business between $50,00 and $100,000
Should have applied for FOD
Mark � awesome that you're on WP!
You can read up on FTTdP info here.
http://telsoc.org/ajtde/2014-03-v2-n1/a26
And Mark's piece here.
http://telsoc.org/ajtde/2013-11-v1-n1/a17
Upgrading from the pit to full fibre is an unknown although Telstra do a new POTS install for $299 if you dig a trench for them. Someone else might know what fibre PON hardware costs. NG PON 2 is supposed to be even cheaper.
Nice timing to release this in the middle of the Federal election campaign
What a coincidence that the report said the MTM design was prudent and efficient.
If we were more cynical, we might recall that consultants always seem to generate reports which neatly accord with the predetermined wishes of their larger and richer clients, including governments.
After all, if a client is very pleased with the first outcome, they may be much more likely to commission a lot more lucrative work in future.
I have your back.
Bill
I have your back.
Turnbull
I have your back.
Murdoch
Absolutely classic example of the food chain in action!
it is my understanding that a functional FTTdp is currently just a concept � unlike FTTP technology it is not something "ready to roll". I would think that NBN plans to use it are very presumptive and more "pie in the sky".
BT have been using both FTTdp G.fast equipment (in trials) and VDSL equipment (in commercial service for people too far away from the cabinet) for some time. It's not a myth
What a coincidence that the report said the MTM design was prudent and efficient.
Anyone that does not accept this is all stage managed has no sense of reality. The LNP operate to no rules, no morals, no ethics...just win and stuff the consequences of lies.... Turnbull has taken Abbott's low bar to a new lower level.
They are effectively sabotaging NBN in total and this country with it.
yup lets all be cynical cynic change the bodge figures around.. and you might get the true cost fibre install, vs the fiction of fttn and the latter fttdp install which no budget exists for its install..
malcolm is setting us all up for FoD when he already knows that which ever telco runs the network is still liable to this 1st point and forcing the consumer to pay for service replacement is not on...
my guess telstra is still charging $5,000 on the install of vdsl and its tech..
add 300-600 subscribers per D/A (node) and $100k is nothing but the piss money with min of 1,500,000 per converted d/a (node)!!!!!
add the math per exchange and council area and you will see the true cost of fttn/dp
They are effectively sabotaging NBN in total and this country with it.
And Abbott has the bare face cheek to call himself Infrastructure King.
And Turnbull with his "innovation" fluff as well.
BT have been using both FTTdp G.fast equipment (in trials) and VDSL equipment (in commercial service for people too far away from the cabinet) for some time. It's not a myth
Then why isn't it being rolled out for FTTB by either NBN or TPG? Its the perfect location for it.
The OP was right, its not ready to roll.
the only thing ready to roll is the top hat replacement audit and deployment which will be passed off as fttn..
malcolm is setting us all up for FoD when he already knows that which ever telco runs the network is still liable to this 1st point and forcing the consumer to pay for service replacement is not on...
Yep � ideological tunnel vision is user pays ...big time...that's what keeps economies going. That's how you look after the nation....jobs and growth..for some 'one' anyway....
Then why isn't it being rolled out for FTTB by either NBN or TPG?
This comes back to people conflating what FTTdp is with macrocodes and the like. G.Fast in building sized nodes IIRC doesn't exist. FTTdp in its true form is into the pit, that means a 4 port device that lives in the pit, usually reverse powered from the homes it services. This isn't something that is ideal to install into buildings.
Ambitious But Rubbish writes...
Humphrey: "Yes, well, always dispose of the difficult bit in the title. It does less harm there than in the text."
Sir Arnold: "It's the law of inverse relevance. The less you intend to do about something, the more you have to keep talking about it."
Anyone else see 7.30 Lateline tonight? Item on PNG female allegedly raped at Manus Island Detention Centre 12 mths ago. It took ABC 6mths to get an FOI response that was extremely redacted. The reason given for page after page of blanks was ..."it might affect relations between PNG and Australia".... a bit like 'Commercial in Confidence" stance with NBN Co I'd suggest.
NBN posters would recognise that situation fairly clearly.
Would anyone with the right info, examples of redaction etc, care to forward on the NBN experience....? It would be about time they took a peek at what is going on with this country's biggest ever infrastructure project and the farce it has been turned into ... at massive unnecessary expense to this country. They might also be interested in the AFP Raid as well just to top it off.....
Unlike SIr Arnold ... The less you intend to do about something, the more you have to keep talking about it... the LNP have made the mistake of not talking about it and hiding everything they can � out of sight out of mind...until it explodes
EDIT:
meant to add that the failed FTTN rollout, as posts in FTTN threads for specific areas are demonstrating, is a fine example of the start of an explosion.
Hi Fred, there are problems with copper into homes, and the solution is to ignore this unless the 25/5 cannot be achieved as this is what has been promised as the first tier effort. Remember the 50 Mbps by 2019 is not a core promise at this point, as this was part of a combined promise that has already been ignored (25 Mbps to all by 2016).
The reality is that FTTdp is a half way house, that means you can run the fibre yourself. But this does not mean it will be part of the Labor plan and the Coalition have already indicated clearly that FTTdp for more than the 300,000 premises identified is not happening.
It has been fully costed � FTTdp in a high density rollout costs about $200 more per premises than FTTN with the skinny fibre, improvements to rollout techniques and is much cheaper OPEX than FTTN.
Check out the savings in the Chorus reports.
that manus crap is over 3 years old my guess deflecting the stink from nbn is that goal..
i'm still waiting for the reason mally cum daily was given the telecommunications portfolio in the 1st place given the conflict he had in the past, at the current present, and the undeniable future within both the local and international scene of telecommunications..
line distance can be between 100-1,000 with the average medium distance of 250-750 meters making a fttdp deployment a problem not to mention ug power lines, gas and water mains on top of existing telco cable that pass the muster for vdsl use never mind g,fast on top of that,,,
forget g.fast. vplus is better, faster and serves more people at 550m range and is 7330 compatible.
i'm still waiting for the reason mally cum daily was given the telecommunications portfolio in the 1st place given the conflict he had in the past
Abbott's poison chalice....destroy NBN (and destroy your own reputation) and/or be destroyed by the LNP party.
Looks like it is the 'and' rather than the 'or' so from that standpoint Abbott's NBN poison chalice is a win for Abbott....but Abbott is gone (thank goodness), destroyed by Turnbull in (at the time) apparently successfully destroying NBN with the mirage that nbn FTTN MTM might be a success (he sucked the party powerful in), but time has caught Turnbull out and by him not delaying FTTN disaster long enough until after an election � allowing the world to see what a failure FTTN is � Turnbull has destroyed himself it would seem........ regardless of whether he wins the election or not, legacy of FTTN MTM failure will perpetuate...
Anyone else see a parallel with Labor's disastrous political suicide effort post Rudd 2007 ...... power is everything...bugger the electorate and bugger what's good for the Australian public.....
BT have been using both FTTdp G.fast equipment (in trials) and VDSL equipment (in commercial service for people too far away from the cabinet) for some time. It's not a myth
Neither is it a myth that the following severely impact obsolete copper based services such as FTTdp, G.Fast and obsolete VDSL services!
EXT, AXT, NEXT,
FM Transmitters
Environmental noise
Water Ingress
The gauge of the copper
High Open Faults
Oxidisation
AVC/CVC Congestion in Unicast services
The quality of the copper being used from the Node to your property boundary
The copper pair line length
The state of the copper inside your premise
Impulse noise
Industrial Noise
The state of existing shielding
MBORC (service Interruptions both planned and unplanned)
Bridged Taps both internal and external
Microwave ovens
Cordless Telephones
Spurious Radiation
Non compliant CPE equipment
Type of power back off being applied online both up and down"
Non compliant Central Splitters
Time of Day
Heat
Type of applications people are using (FTTN is a shared resource with limited spectrum)
SPGS" � Small Pair Gain Systems � which were originally designed to and the LNP will love this word "Economically" overcome copper shortfalls by combining several telephone services over a single pair!!!!!!
and
Telstra's "ISS" "incompatible" services" that actually "block" VDSL signals and have to be removed from the network!
Unsurprisingly we now see Portugal for example deploying a National NG-PON2 80Gbps service which can deliver "Concurrent" 1Gbps, 10Gbps, 40Gbps etc services across the same single piece of Fibre which dispenses entirely with the mess that obsolete copper based communication services like FTTdp, and GeeWhyisn'tmyInternetWorking (G..fast) simply can't deliver!
Cheers
Neither is it a myth that the following severely impact obsolete copper based services such as FTTdp, G.Fast and obsolete VDSL services!
I think FTTP is the superior option, but I was simply stating a fact � that FTTdp exists and is in use. There's no need to reel off why FTTP is great � I think everyone knows and has heard it already
As for your shopping list, it is worth pointing out that some of those issues can just as easily affect an FTTP service. (e.g. lack of backhaul capacity or lack of capacity in the PON network, "MBORC", issues stemming from a poorly installed or degraded installation, radio/microwave inference if the end user is trying to use wifi to their devices etc), and that the drastically reduced amount of copper in the loop would reduce/eliminate some of the other issues. in BT's case, the quality of the copper from the pole to the exchange is basically irrelevant, because the FTTdp equipment is connected at the point just prior to it going into each home
Then why isn't it being rolled out for FTTB by either NBN or TPG? Its the perfect location for it.
The OP was right, its not ready to roll.
Because FTTB implies lots of end user connections so you'd basically want to install a proper full fat DSLAM in the building. FTTdp (at least in BT's world) is more like a handful of connections, less than 10, served from "micronodes"
You've got to understand the NBN isn't selling 100/40 throughput, they're selling 100/40 sync.
Fttp delivers 100/40 sync 100% of the time, unless a drastic fault occurs somewhere along the path.
FTTN has no measure as copper line distance and quality is the main factor.
Throw in a shitty copper line in addition to congestion, battery, wrong pair faults. FTTN is deficient at 1km nodes. G.fast is good for 300m, vplus for 550m. Both would require fiber extensions (fttdp/micronodes). This is on top of the FTTN construction costs. The additions would most likely equate to being higher than an all out FTTP build.
HFC 3.1 is most likely going to disappear into the nether just like thunderbolt. It will be used by some but never mainstream.
FTTP is 1.
Fttdp w/ vplus 2.
fttdp w/ g.fast 3.
fttdp w/ vdsl2 4.
vdsl2 5. ? (upto 200m)
fixed wireless 5/6.
satellite 7.
Because FTTB implies lots of end user connections
Well that is certainly the case with Australia's massive boom of apartment builds in all states. Can anyone confirm that at least these have been prewired for FTTP, I am hoping that the design work for these has been influenced by design work being done in NBN V1 era... It would be a disaster if they have not at least been built with optic fibre in mind.
Must say that in WA at least it seems like 1970's UK council housing designs have been transplanted.... must be cheap off the shelf stuff.
I doubt that 15% of electricians even know what a fiber wallplate looks like. http://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-wall-plates-1003
Most likely apartments are wired for ethernet. 5e/6 to a MDU.
You've got to understand the NBN isn't selling 100/40 throughput, they're selling 100/40 sync.
Fttp delivers 100/40 sync 100% of the time, unless a drastic fault occurs somewhere along the path.
If you're replying to me, then I should point out that I understand all of this. I'm just saying that there is potential for congestion to affect either service � and it's not really a specific downside of going for FTTN. Especially when (it seems) that the only reason why node congestion exists is due to NBN's decision to go ultra cheap and use 1Gbit backhaul where 10G or more would be appropriate. It's not an issue that is inherent to the technology.
Both would require fiber extensions (fttdp/micronodes). This is on top of the FTTN construction costs. The additions would most likely equate to being higher than an all out FTTP build.
Perhaps, and I'd agree (I've argued this in the British version of Whirlpool in regards to BT's G.fast obsessions). But I'm not going to pretend that FTTP is flawless.
FTT"dp", at least in the way BT and equipment manufacturers describe it, would indeed need fibre to be run to the nodes (in BT's case, to pretty much every telegraph pole)- but don't forget that this needs to be done anyway whether you do FTTP or FTTdp. The same is true for any money wasted on FTTN � if it's spent and the equipment is in � you're going to obsolete it whether you replace it with FTTP or FTTdp
FTTP is 1.
Fttdp w/ vplus 2.
fttdp w/ g.fast 3.
An interesting choice. Isn't G.fast technically better than Vplus, given the short line lengths through the use of FTTdp? (and isn't Vplus some horrible ALu proprietary thing?)
As for your shopping list, it is worth pointing out that some of those issues can just as easily affect an FTTP service.
Shopping list!
Now that's disingenuous to say the least ---
So which specifically of the following issues impact the deliver of FTTH services again Ihardon????
FEXT, AXT, NEXT,
FM Transmitters
Environmental noise
Water Ingress
The gauge of the copper
High Open Faults
Oxidisation
AVC/CVC Congestion in Unicast services
The quality of the copper being used from the Node to your property boundary
The copper pair line length
The state of the copper inside your premise
Impulse noise
Industrial Noise
The state of existing shielding
MBORC (service Interruptions both planned and unplanned)
Bridged Taps both internal and external
Microwave ovens
Cordless Telephones
Spurious Radiation
Non compliant CPE equipment
Type of power back off being applied online both up and down"
Non compliant Central Splitters
Time of Day
Heat
Type of applications people are using (FTTN is a shared resource with limited spectrum)
SPGS" � Small Pair Gain Systems � which were originally designed to and the LNP will love this word "Economically" overcome copper shortfalls by combining several telephone services over a single pair!!!!!!
and
Telstra's "ISS" "incompatible" services" that actually "block" VDSL signals and have to be removed from the network!
*Noting of course that ALL of the Above impact severely and severally obsolete redundant 20th century copper based FTTN/Dp/B services communication services and then some!
So which specifically of the following issues impact the deliver of FTTH services again Ihardon????
I cherry-picked some in the part of the sentence you've managed to cut off with selective quoting.
I get that you keep wanting to push the "FTTP is best" angle, and I don't disagree with it. I'm just saying that FTTP is not flawless, and that some issues can just as easily occur in any access technology.
I get that you keep wanting to push the "FTTP is best" angle, and I don't disagree with it. I'm just saying that FTTP is not flawless, and that some issues can just as easily occur in any access technology.
Doesn't change the fact that it pretty much is, the only real faliures it does have is if it wasn't installed properly or the RSP themselves haven't given you the right plan/tierspeed you have chosen. Maintenance wouldn't need to happen for decades longer than copper. Don't get me wrong i'd be glad to have even just FttDP myself, anything below really shouldn't classify as a first rate broadband network. The problem here is we have these fools in parliament saying they are delivering a first rate network by 2016 at a minimum of 25mbps then saying trying to stealthily change it to 2019 AND THEN saying Australians don't need these speeds while the rest of the world is ploughing on leaving us in the dust. WE lost our chance at coming up the top of innovation because of politics. We could have started FttDP as early as last year with the cheaper developments made to it but because of political reasons it was denied.
["An interesting choice. Isn't G.fast technically better than Vplus, given the short line lengths through the use of FTTdp? (and isn't Vplus some horrible ALu proprietary thing?)"
https://www.alcatel-lucent.com/solutions/vplus
Can do upto 200 on a node upto 550m optimal distance.
It's a standard (35b) and isn't proprietary. Just the next evolution after 17a and 30a and best of all it's compatible with the 7330 hardware which is being supplied NOW to NBN.
G.fast is down to 16-48 customers upto 300m at optimal distance.
17a and 30a can't be vectored in the same cable bunch. So NBN would need to upgrade entire nodes. But with vplus it can be mixed with 17a for vectoring.
Ambitious But Rubbish writes...
If you have wondered at why some people keep repeatedly posting things here that are proven untrue and pay no attention to the answers, this might explain how it works.
Well, you know what they say, "If you cannot find an "expert" to backup your position, just keep looking and you will find one soon".
I doubt that 15% of electricians even know what a fiber wallplate looks like. http://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-wall-plates-1003
Cheap as chips. (NBN must be having difficulty finding ones with their logo on them?)
Cheap as chips. (NBN must be having difficulty finding ones with their logo on them?)
just remember that they are "blanks", no "connector" in them
One of the many elephants in the room for the NBN/MTM is the supply/demand for workers
nbn and all sides of politics have been pretty quiet on this subject since the middle of last year.
About time nbn proactively provided an update on how things are going, or the Federal Oppositions and the media started asking some questions about this pre-election.
Or are nbn going to counter any Federal Labor policy of more fibre with an announcement that due to labor shortages, that their nbn will likely not be completed until 2022, and that what is a 2 year blowout under the current plan would likely be a further blowout (up to 5 years) under whatever date Federal labor announce under their soon to be released plan? A delay that the nation can't afford.
http://www.theaustralian.com
(June 26 2015)
The company building the �National Broadband Network has warned that the project is facing an acute labour shortage, and it is planning to launch a training program designed to beef up its workforce.
NBN chief executive Bill Morrow flagged a shortfall of 4000 workers as the company looked to finish rolling out the network by 2020.
http://www.itnews.com.au/new
NBN has partnered with 10 TAFE and training providers in a bid to address a skills shortage of 4500 staff ahead of the rollout of its multi-technology mix network.
The new campaign, called Career Start, is part of NBN�s $40 million industry workforce development program, which aims to increase the rollout workforce to a peak of 9000 staff, and will also see NBN create a national skills register.
The campaign hopes to attract around 2000 school leavers to take up a career in telecommunications, with training and employment for successful candidates to be delivered through an NBN contractor or sub-contractor.
But with vplus it can be mixed with 17a for vectoring.
Assuming that the radiated interference from the >30MHz signal pushed down a 550m antenna doesn't see it killed by the ACMA.
Makes you wonder if it would be deployed in areas with above ground cables?
Tony Burke on ABC RN this morning. He was actually talking about UPLOAD! Was great to hear. ABC played some responses from business owners about how terrible FTTN/Sat was for business.
Didn't see the connectors? (1 to 4 ports.) Also cheap as chips.
Listening to the ABC Radio AM programme from Queenstown, Tas. One ADSL2+ user stated that VOIP would not be viable over satellite.
Another user talking about not being able to offer wi-fi to bed and breakfast customers.
Someone else talking about EFTPOS dropping out and not being able to use a cloud based solution.
BC played some responses from business owners about how terrible FTTN/Sat was for business.
The caller said that his work required the use of VoIP for communications and that VoiP was not possible on Satellite at the moment, meaning he thought he would lose his current job under the current NBN plan's for his area.
The caller said that his work required the use of VoIP for communications and that VoiP was not possible on Satellite at the moment, meaning he thought he would lose his current job under the current NBN plan's for his area.
Jobs and growth ..... Jobs and growth .... Jobs and growth.
/s
fixed wireless 5/6.
Isn't 25/5 and 50/20 speeds on fixed wireless better than FTTN .
With the exception of those users on FTTP fixed wireless users shall have the best form of NBN for years to come IMO.
Didn't see the connectors? (1 to 4 ports.) Also cheap as chips.
note this text towards the bottom of the page when you click on any of the images
"Note: The products which we are in stock are without adapters."
they appear to be selling "blank plates" :)
and now for something completely different :)
for all those saying the FTTP ONT should have been built with only 1 "UNI-D" port might want to take a look at the ONT that Telstra was providing in Velocity estates.
Guess what it has 2 "phone ports" 4 "RJ45" ports and it even has a coax connection
Made by Alcatel Lucent.
I would guess it is the same motherboard as the NBN ONT just with the co-ax section populated. it uses th esame power connector
Could it possibly be that the units are cheaper to purchase with 4 "RJ45" than to have a custom build with only 1 "RJ54"
see here document dated 2013, no idea if things have changed
Let's have a look at whether the specs or submissions for the Irish NBN equivalent (NBP) will even give FTTN a look in, and can be used to help destroy the Federal Coalition's claims of FTTN being the best solution to provide a minimum of 25Mbps download speeds. Minimum. Not average. Not up to. Not up to Peak/PIR.
It will be interesting to see if any of the 5 RFX respondents even has FTTN in the mix. Or if they do, what the evaluators think of FTTN as a solution. Watch this space.
http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/comm
http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/comm
Technical report (specs) for the NBP
Minimum specification for wholesale active access services
Source: Analysys Mason, 2015
http://www.irishtimes.com/bu
the National Broadband Plan (NBP), billed as the great panacea. It promises to replace this patchwork of technologies with one super-fast network, delivering connectivity to 750,000 homes.
The new tender specifies a minimum of download speed of 30 mbps and a minimum upload speed of 6 mbps.
the 30 mbps is not an average but a minimum
The five consortiums vying for the Government�s tender � Eir, Siro, Enet, Imagine, Gigabit � are all likely to mount bids using predominantly fibre technology as it is the fastest available.
Some of the local community in Queenstown, Tasmania having their say.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2
Some of the local community in Queenstown, Tasmania having their say.
well nbn� have solved all problems over on the west coast, with possible service probelms, they aren't supplying them anything.
Guess it will be back to Satellite after the election though.
Thanks for the next 3 years suckers
Wonder what our nbn current or future masters could learn something from what Analysys Mason appears to be proposing for the Irish NBP in actually bothering to properly assess demand before they finalise where to efficiently and prudently allocate $ and resources on the nbn build?
However, a programme should be initiated by RSPs by which end users can register their interest in being connected to the NBP network before it has actually been rolled out in their area. This registration programme will be supported by the prior publication by the WSPs of details of the areas to be covered, giving six months� advance notification. The final drop could then be installed for interested end-users at the same time as the network is deployed outside their premises, leading to efficient use of resources.
NBP WSPs should publish a schedule of their planned network coverage and deployment,
made available through a public portal, to raise awareness among end users and allow them to contact their RSP(s) before the network is deployed in their area.
Hopefully publish more than once a year to the public.
The technologies deployed by the selected bidder(s), along with the services delivered, will need to have a clear, technical development roadmap. In addition, any roadmap offered and implemented during the contract period must also be commercially sustainable beyond the end date of the contract.
Guess that rules out FTTN nbn/MTM style.
Some of the local community in Queenstown, Tasmania having their say.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
"Everyone expects wi-fi now, and free wi-fi preferably � especially the Asian tourists, that is the first thing they ask when they get here... they generally won't even book accommodation unless wi-fi is available," she said.
Ms Chappell said she would not be able to offer wi-fi to her guests if the NBN was delivered via satellite.
"The biggest problem with the satellite is you're restricted as to the amount of access you have, so once you've used your monthly data there is no more," she said.
"So I won't be able to allow my guests to use wi-fi at all because I can't take the risk of them using it all and me being left with no wi-fi for the rest of the month and not being able to run my business."
From Switzer Daily, of all people, but it is written by Angela Catterns.
http://switzer.com.au/the-ex
Mary�s report makes us realise the future is almost upon us. It also makes me wonder why we continue down the path of building massive new freeways and why we have to convince ourselves we�re better off with a less than top-of-the-range NBN.
If the Government�s objectives are to be met, the Department will need to ensure that the minimum retail service delivered by each RSP meets the retail service obligations described in Figure 4.1. In practice, the NBP WSPs or an independent third party could carry out this
monitoring on behalf of the Department. For wholesale active access services, the performance of the retail service will be monitored between the NTE located at customer premises and the RSP�s Internet demarcation point (labelled as �Scope of RSP Monitoring� in Figure 4.2 below). In order to facilitate this monitoring, the RSP will be obliged to connect all of its demarcation points to a test server, as depicted in Figure 4.2.
In addition, there will be monitoring of the minimum performance of the WSP�s wholesale service between the NTE located at customer premises and the PoH (labelled as �Scope of WSP monitoring� in Figure 4.2 above), to ensure that the baseline wholesale service provided fully supports the target performance of the minimum retail service.
Analysys Mason's Irish NBP technical report recommend's the above strict RSP and Wholesale monitoring of performance to ensure that minimum Government targets are being met. Why does the Federal Coalition's Broadband Policy/SOE not demand similar from NBNCo and Australian RSP's?
but it is written by Angela Catterns.
http://switzer.com.au/the-e
Despite accepted wisdom, usage by older people is still quite significant. Those aged 55+ spend more than 21 hours across 22 apps per month.
This is true of the Internet.. I find this especially to be the case in my area . we are a community of retirees and the demand for fast broadband is just as strong as for the younger generation. In fact possibly stronger , because they have ownership of the residences and the money to spend of quality BB. In fact , many like myself find the internet is a necessity, especially with poor or no public transport and govt agencies shifting to online interface..
meaning he thought he would lose his current job under the current NBN plan's for his area.
Not to dismiss the issues with satellite, but I thought those areas would be retaining their POTS connections, so ADSL should continue to work.
https://delimiter.com.au/20
�It is extremely disappointing to see that under the current Liberal/National government, the NBN looks to have been set up to fail, and to do so in a miserable and spectacular fashion, for the sole purpose of pointing the finger at the previous Labor government and blaming them for the mess,� he concluded.
But it can't be seen to be failing before the 2016 Federal Election, otherwise it might cost them the election and Turnbull his current job.
6.2 Technical NGA assessment criteria
In order to establish whether an NGA broadband service is available at particular premises, the
following conditions must be met:
....
? the solution must be reliable and of good quality, and not prone to deterioration due to
interference and other ad-hoc external factors
That aptly describes copper based FTTN nicely. Unreliable. Poor quality. Prone to deterioration, interference and external factors such as rain, flooding and extreme heat.
a minimum download speed of 30Mbit/s must be achieved in the coverage area, to all users under normal operational conditions, considering the technology deployed or proposed, where the proposed backhaul network is designed to deliver 30Mbit/s download to all users when they demand it
When they demand it means being able to provide a minimum 30Mbit/s download speeds to all users during peak broadband demand hours.
the solution must rely on optical (or equivalent) technologies
? the solution needs to be able to support a variety of advanced digital services, including
converged all-IP services.
FTTN certainly relies on optical fibre but I'm not sure it will score too highly on being able to support a variety of advanced digital services.
It will likely get thrown out on the futureproof and upgradeability criteria alone.
Wrong!
It's unbelievable how in 2016, people still have such poor misconceptions about how the internet represents much more than internet streaming. For God sakes, we living in an era where IoT is becoming the norm of the households and how businesses operate � and here is a politician whom fails to grasps that the internet is a staple part of the future economy.
for the sole purpose of pointing the finger at the previous Labor government and blaming them for the mess
I do not agree with delimiter as they are also making News Corp and Telstra happy chappies as well.
the Irish NBN equivalent (NBP)
Ireland ..... isn't that where Malcolm kept quoting he wanted to start his MTM from. Said that he wouldn't have started in Australia or something like that.
http://www.irishtimes.com/bu
What does a small business owner in Co Tipperary have in common with a goat herder in northern Ethiopia?
They both need a satellite to receive email: one from the most barren, sunblasted place on the planet, the other from a European country which touts itself as a high-tech hub.
I'm not surprised that they're having trouble with getting broadband into Tipperary though as I always thought that ...
? It's a long way to Tipperary,
It's a long way to go.
It's a long way to Tipperary .... ?
Edit: PS I make no apology for trying to retain my sense of humour whilst Malcolm keeps rolling out his MTM debacle.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/
Anyone think Mr Faulkner could be the brother of Johnny Vegas?
Ireland ..... isn't that where Malcolm kept quoting he wanted to start his MTM from. Said that he wouldn't have started in Australia or something like that.
If really pressed on his NBN role, the PM resorts to a rhetorical defence, blaming Labor for starting the project � his preferred wheeze is the Irish joke, "If you wanted to get there, I wouldn't start from here" � and mounting an elegant-sounding attack on the very idea that anything can ever be "future-proofed", a theme he hammered home when he took over the leadership. This is unassailable high ground for Malcolm Turnbull, but it is completely wrong-headed.
NBNCo is leaking and, if what I'm hearing from former staff is right, morale inside the organisation is abysmal, management is hostage to every expensive consultancy in town, and senior staff are leaving, disillusioned, as what they thought was a nation-building project is turning into a politicised quagmire. As one former employee told me: "I'll be amazed if it ever gets built."
This is an unforgiveable state of affairs for such a vital project and, whoever wins the next election, the NBN will need to be redesigned again. Hopefully it will be done with the national interest, not politics, uppermost in mind.
Paddy Manning is a journalist and author of the recently published Born To Rule: The Unauthorised Biography Of Malcolm Turnbull (MUP).
http://www.abc.net.au/
Ireland ..... isn't that where Malcolm kept quoting he wanted to start his MTM from. Said that he wouldn't have started in Australia or something like that.
LOL
As far as I'm aware no one has ever picked Turnbull up on his "we wouldn't have started from here" nonsense and asked him where he would have started from, what he would have done and how he would have got a different result than Helen Coonan. I really, really hope someone does it. The answer could be a laugh.
if what I'm hearing from former staff is right, morale inside the organisation is abysmal.
After the AFP raids, one can only imagine what that did to morale and trust.
NBNCo is leaking and, if what I'm hearing from former staff is right, morale inside the organisation is abysmal, management is hostage to every expensive consultancy in town, and senior staff are leaving,
It has been setup to fail � only an ALP win will mean it doesnt.
As for news limited � they can go jump!
It has been setup to fail
If you scratch away the nbn logos on the side of the nbn vans, there's a Telstra logo under them ready to go :)
NBNCo is leaking and, if what I'm hearing from former staff is right, morale inside the organisation is abysmal, management is hostage to every expensive consultancy in town, and senior staff are leaving, disillusioned
I see some agree with you.
In addition, any roadmap offered and implemented during the contract period must also be commercially sustainable beyond the end date of the contract.
That excludes FTTN and HFC.
FTTB would be a tough sell, but if you apply enough transparency* to the numbers it might make it across the line.
- like nbn, I have overloaded this descriptor. like nbn, I will not tell you what it means now.
If you scratch away the nbn logos on the side of the nbn vans, there's a Telstra logo under them ready to go :)
Rocky ... can you come down to the lockup please and bail me out? The AFP just raided arrested me for vandalising a nbn� van.
can you come down to the lockup please and bail me out
https://66.media.tumblr.com/
*flys to vegas*
One of the many elephants in the room for the NBN/MTM is the supply/demand for workers
Been a problem since day one... Pre build Labor/NBN CO were doing 'roadshows' talking to state govts (mostly contrary LNP), unions, industry bodies etc etc.
About time nbn proactively provided an update on how things are going,
Good luck � This weeks submission to ACCC is totally contrary to transparency ..regardless of what KK says.
or the Federal Oppositions and the media started asking some questions about this pre-election.
Labor and Greens have tried pretty hard in Senate Estimates to get some info but stone walled by NBN Co with Govt support. One might ask what they have to hide and I'd suggest the disaster that is evolving right now with FTTN rollout is self explanatory....
Or are nbn going to counter
It is quite apparent NBN Co/LNP govt will say nothing because the veil of secrecy...a la Border Security...is intended to drift all issues out of the public minds ..doesn't exist... Heard the expression that no boats are coming?...proven to actually be they are are still coming just not landing .... perception management
Listening to the ABC Radio AM programme
You missed the real 'elephant' in the report .... The LNP local member who has previously been reported as Sat is good enough because of cost and then under pressure of Labor's commitment to FTTP wanted to talk to the Minister for an alternative, is now apparently saying he wants FTTP too.... Maybe he got a no from the Minister and moved to survival mode.....Wonderful world of politics...!!
Wonder how many other communities are going to pop up now and put the same pressure on......
That excludes FTTN and HFC.
But if they could just increase the prices of FTTN and HFC, they could be commercially sustainable technologies for a while, providing
1. The elasticity of demand was low.
2. There was immaterial product substitution to >=4G mobile broadband
3. The barriers to entry for alternative technologies to overbuild the FTTN or HFC were high enough.
Maybe he got a no from the Minister and moved to survival mode.....Wonderful world of politics...!!
nah, just "survival mode" for the local electorate
"See I have done all I can to get you FTTP, so as I am such a good person please vote for me just remember what Aophie said a couple of weeks ago, the same will apply re FTTP"
The LNP local member who has previously been reported as Sat is good enough because of cost and then under pressure of Labor's commitment to FTTP wanted to talk to the Minister for an alternative, is now apparently saying he wants FTTP too
If the LNP is not careful, they'll be a breakaway real "Country" party, inspired by what the current LNP is not doing for regional Broadband, that will consign the "N" in LNP to the big "Nothingness" it currently appears to be.
Wonder how many other communities are going to pop up now and put the same pressure on......
A bit like giving one of your 10 kids a brand new iPhone, and then having to manage the fallout from the have nots.
anyone got a link to Tony Burke on ABC RN this morning?
Has anyone told them the bandwidth required for Hololens and the like?
anyone got a link to Tony Burke on ABC RN this morning?
https://itunes.apple.com/pod
Tony Burke on ABC RN
would this be it
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/
I'm not surprised that they're having trouble with getting broadband into Tipperary though as I always thought that ...
? It's a long way to Tipperary,
It's a long way to go.
It's a long way to Tipperary .... ?
Edit: PS I make no apology for trying to retain my sense of humour whilst Malcolm keeps rolling out his MTM debacle.
The MTM is certainly a 'rarey'. We need to shove it over the nearest sea cliff we can find.
if what I'm hearing from former staff is right, morale inside the organisation is abysmal
Actually, morale has been low for a very long while. Many keep putting on a brave face because they need their jobs. They really do not have their hearts in the job.
Liberal have announced their brand new plan for NBN!
(5 paragraphs of Liberals new, stronger NBN are complaining about Labors NBN)
Liberal have announced their brand new plan for NBN!
(5 paragraphs of Liberals new, stronger NBN are complaining about Labors NBN)
I wonder if it is like the "cheaper, faster, sooner" mantra they spouted before the last election?
The absolute stupidity of this is that even more money will be spent on a dead end technology. The LNP is doing what the old woman who swallowed a fly did. It is a never ending vicious and expensive circle that leads nowhere!
Liberal have announced their brand new plan for NBN!
(5 paragraphs of Liberals new, stronger NBN are complaining about Labors NBN.
Well at least the Liberal's policy is strong on details. I wonder if Kingee and GMZT will be calling for Labor's NBN policy release to be as strong and as forthcoming on detail! /S
I really don't see how Labor will be able to match the Liberal's MTM policy though. S/
My Dog what an absolutely nothing bloody press release from Mitch. I imagine that he's been agonising over the drafting of that for the last 4 weeks of the election period!
Edit: added another sarcasm symbol just to make it clear.
Oh dear. It start off with a fact error:
Labor�s National Broadband Network (NBN) would have taken six to eight years longer to rollout across Australia
No. It would take 6-8 years longer if they were to abandon the dogs breakfast they've created now, junk all the work they've done on HFC and FTTN over the last three years, and go back and finish the FTTP rollout.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2
https://delimiter.com.au/201
That is embarrassingly pathetic. Its at a 5 years old level, complete with whining and finger pointing.
That is embarrassingly pathetic. Its at a 5 years old level, complete with whining and finger pointing.
It does have one verifiable point, that 2.36 million premises are going to be RFS this financial year.
I made that 4 weeks to hit that target. How many on FTTN or HFC?
It does have one verifiable point, that 2.36 million premises are going to be RFS this financial year.
Well a portion of the 2.36 million premises (with FttP) will be RFS whereas a portion of the 2.36 million premises (with FttN) will be RS.
That is embarrassingly pathetic. Its at a 5 years old level, complete with whining and finger pointing.
+1
The MSM will probably ignore it, which is probably the intent. Let's see what the tech media make of it.
Labor�s already tried and failed to deliver the NBN. They can�t be trusted to bring broadband to Australians.
When first you don't succeed, try, try again.
The release of the Labor NBN Policy and Plans will need to explain why they can be trusted to do a better job if given a 2nd chance, and to come up with a good argument on how the Federal Coalition can't be trusted to deliver on their NBN promises, can't be trusted to complete the NBN, and can't be trusted to invest in Broadband wisely.
It's rather amusing that the "nbn" is no-where in sight in this press release. With all references to the NBN in upper case.
does have one verifiable point, that 2.36 million premises are going to be RFS this financial year.
How many of these are going to be "we flipped the switch on hfc, now users can connect to the same network they have been able to access for 10 years already" and claim it as a success to pad the numbers...
How many of these are going to be "we flipped the switch on hfc, now users can connect to the same network they have been able to access for 10 years already" and claim it as a success to pad the numbers...
Cue ridiculously large high voltage knife switch and obligatory pyrotechnic show?
And Turnbull with his "innovation" fluff as well.
He seems to believe that if he just keeps repeating agile and innovative, nobody will ever think to check whether the Glorious Emperor of MTM is fully clad.
Or wearing anything at all � apart from his beloved corroding copper, of course.
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My favourite bit is this:
Labor�s National Broadband Network (NBN) would have taken six to eight years longer to rollout across Australia, leaving businesses waiting longer for superfast broadband.
It's true, it would have taken 6 to 8 years longer ... if the Coalition had finished the MTM NBN 2 years ago :-).
It's true, it would have taken 6 to 8 years longer ... if the Coalition had finished the MTM NBN 2 years ago :-).
Be fair � we have to allow for the fact that there were probably two years lost while the vast Telstra legal department negotiated their way to exactly the takeover negotiated settlement they wanted.
agile and innovative
About as agile and innovative as a slime mould.
a simple organism that consists of an acellular mass of creeping jellylike protoplasm containing nuclei, or a mass of amoeboid cells..
Liberal have announced their brand new plan for NBN!
(5 paragraphs of Liberals new, stronger NBN are complaining about Labors NBN)
I wonder if this is here as a reaction because of the happy snaps the NBN staffer made/sent of papers whilst looking for leaks everdance in Conroy's place.?????????
It does have one verifiable point, that 2.36 million premises are going to be RFS this financial year.
The FY2016 target is 2.632 million. The figure as of 26/05/16 was 2.556 million.
How many on FTTN or HFC?
The 2016 Corporate Plan FY2016 for FttN is 500K, for HFC is 10K.
EDIT: According to Weekly Progress Reports
Greenfields target was passed � 12/05/16
Fixed Wireless target was passed � 31/03/16
Satellite was lit up � 05/05/16 (target hasn't been actually passed � but most likely a mixup)
Brownfields target = 1.59 Million
As of 26/05/16 it is = 1.45 Million
(But dont be surprised to see a heap of FttP and FttN lit up in the next 4 weeks as companies try to get FY results pumped up)
How many of these are going to be "we flipped the switch on hfc, now users can connect to the same network they have been able to access for 10 years already" and claim it as a success to pad the numbers...
See above.
It's true, it would have taken 6 to 8 years longer
Actually, the truth is we will never know. The time required to complete Labor's NBN is no longer knowable. The time required to actually complete Malcolm's Terrible Misfeasance is also likely to be uncertain.
That media release pretty much sums up Fifields entire contribution to the NBN debate.
That media release pretty much sums up Fifields entire contribution to the NBN debate.
https://twitter.com/senatorf
Labor's nbn plan. Wait longer, pay more.
5 hours after tweet launch.
1 retweet (fat fingers)
1 like (self adulation)
A roaring succes/s
https://twitter.com/senator
Labor's nbn plan. Wait longer, pay more.
Here's my top 4 from a selection of tweets in response to the above half hearted attempt at attacking Labor's NBN plan that has not actually been released yet.
BS Mitch. Taking us us mugs huh? Keep lying and you loose the election based on the #nbn lying alone.
With a 50-100 year lifespan....vs your rubbish which is already obsolete. Your cost up to $56b as well. Nice try Mitchy.
oh, and your definition of "superfast" internet is about 20 years out of date.
Does your costs cover more AFP raids?
Here's my top 4 from a selection of tweets in response to the above half hearted attempt at attacking Labor's NBN plan that has not actually been released yet.
He will have to sit in a large bucket of ice after to soothe those well deserved burns.
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