Just seeing that he was an advisor to Fifield and still recommending copper i can count this "opinion" piece as crap and has not persuaded me in anyway.
Also an employee of the IPA which hates the very concept of the NBN
New Zealand ask from their UFB FTTP.. How's your FTTN going?
*giggle noises in the background*
Over the 7million not yet passed by FTTP or the FTTN in build, that's ~$8.5bil as leaked (I haven't seen that exact leak, so if anyone has a link to it, or perhaps even a photograph of it ... :-)).
Thanks for all that info. So it looks like the $8.5bn is the extra capex required. There would also be an extra increase in total funding to cover the time lost to change tack and the extra build time for FTTP. That's still only putting the total funding at $10-15bn more (closer to $10bn imo). The lower opex and higher revenue for FTTP easily pays for that.
I've done this rough calculation a number of times over the years and I get the same result every time ... that is, there is no financial justification for the MTM. What bothers me is why haven't Labor been making this case to prepare the way for taking an FTTP policy to the election? Have we got this wrong?
http://www.zdnet.com/article
http://www.zdnet.com/articl
For anyone to claim that the public should not know that the rollout is slower than expected with rising costs, that the company is looking at cheaper technologies to bring costs down, and that over three dozen fibre-to-the-node areas are behind schedule is to take the public for mugs.
It is disingenuous to claim, as Cormann has, that NBN throwing a bunch of numbers over the wall each week is transparency. The weekly rollout figures are headline numbers at best � they do not detail which fibre technology is being used, and they bundle fibre-to-the-premises, fibre-to-the-node, and fibre-to-the-basement into one number, with geographical breakdown limited to states and territories.
For the past three years, NBN has covered as much information as it can in its now-infamous "commercial-in-confidence" phras
Looks like the raids have resulted in NBN Co identifying the whistleblowers.
http://www.itnews.com.au/new
Looks like the raids have resulted in NBN Co identifying the whistleblowers.
how would nbn� have gained that evidence?
it should all be under seal till the issues of Parliamentary Privilege are resolved as it seems that none of the other locations or people or organisations other that ALP associated areas were searched or have i missed any other searched locations?
how would nbn� have gained that evidence?
Illegally.
it should all be under seal till the issues of Parliamentary Privilege are resolved as it seems that none of the other locations or people or organisations other that ALP associated areas were searched or have i missed any other searched locations?
The NBN staff member acting as a constable for the AFP forwarding the photographs to the NBN powers-that-be would appear to have been the catalyst... and at a rough guess, the people stood down and staring down the barrel of being fired will have good grounds for unfair dismissal cases with fairwork, but... hey, I'm no lawyer.
Looks like the raids have resulted in NBN Co identifying the whistleblowers.
Hope the source of the IDs was not solely from evidence gather from Conroy's office, as the evidence is sealed and as such the AFP and NBN, are not supposed to be privy to it.
Looks like the raids have resulted in NBN Co identifying the whistleblowers.
http://www.itnews.com.au/ne
You mean they knew who the whistleblowers were, then proceeded with the raid?
Hardly likely that the raid drew them to identify the culprits . I believe they already knew, and that's what led to the raids.
Looks like the raids have resulted in NBN Co identifying the whistleblowers.
http://www.itnews.com.au/ne
This is ridiculous, so the sealed evidence led to the whistle blowers and subsequently stood down?
How does this work? Does AFP have x-ray vision and can see through sealed boxes of documents? Seems like there is X-men among us.
The only reason, they knew who the culprits were at NBN co. They didn't need to raid the ALP, just ask to help with the investigation. I'm sure the ALP would comply.
So the raid's intention was not to assist an investigation. BUT TO STEAL ALP NBN Policy documents, as evidently done so by Mr S, via an phone and photos/internet access while onsite. In addition to seal the senate inquiry results so that nothing can be disclosed until after the election
The message gets clearer everyday due to the event's fallout. LNP shenanigans, more to come. Its a long road to election day.
The message gets clearer everyday due to the event's fallout. LNP shenanigans, more to come. Its a long road to election day.
For sure.
More stinks of dead rats about to surface.
Lying Necrosis Party. Aka LNP.
https://delimiter.com.au/201
I would laugh if it wasn't so funny.
The NBN staff member acting as a constable for the AFP forwarding the photographs to the NBN powers-that-be would appear to have been the catalyst... and at a rough guess, the people stood down and staring down the barrel of being fired will have good grounds for unfair dismissal cases with fairwork, but... hey, I'm no lawyer.
Has their representation been crowd funded yet? I make a donation for sure.
How does this work?
Maybe the NBNCo has illegally used the photographs they were illegally given after they had been illegally taken at the direction of the AFP. It will be interesting to see what criminal charges arise from this fiasco.
http://www.zdnet.com/articl
It is disingenuous to claim, as Cormann has, that NBN throwing a bunch of numbers over the wall each week is transparency. The weekly rollout figures are headline numbers at best � they do not detail which fibre technology is being used, and they bundle fibre-to-the-premises, fibre-to-the-node, and fibre-to-the-basement into one number, with geographical breakdown limited to states and territories.
Yep. It is always frustrating to hear Turnbull say that the Coalition are more transparent than Labor were. There is more to transparency than quantity of info, it is also about the level of detail (or lack thereof).
Good article by Zdnet
We are entitled to ask questions, that is the beauty of the democracy we live in.
Well on behalf of taxpayers (initiated from a state's house basis) the Senate is supposed to do this however that institution continues to be abused and disregarded. Where the Govt doesn't like their work they change the rules or refuse to participate. This govt has to go and the NBN Raids confirm that
I said this last election when albo was Comms minister, he does not execute a case for it very well and I don't think he really understands the NBN
Albo is much better at transport and industrial infrastructure, the NBN is unfortunately out of his depth.
Today marks 1,000 days since I got a letter from NBNCo (28/08/13) telling me about construction starting (2GOS-05 � FTTP) � despite having had the PCD installed on the wall over a year ago, I'm still waiting for the "network shortfall" to be rectified so I can order a service.
I think this highlights one issue wit MTM
with the big rush to switch over to FTTN including all teh design and provisioning issues nbn� have totally dropped the ball with what they were building before the switch was announced
All most of the areas in 2GOS that had "network shortfalls" before the last election still seem to have them today
Then you have 2GOS-07 that had "special build" contracts let, outside the normal FTTP process.
The build seemed to be running ok, then the moment that FTTN kicked off, work became very sporadic in 2GOS-07, sometime being months between workers being seen.
It then went quiet for 6 months till AUSGRID started running the aerial fibre, about 2 years after the initial rollout in 2GOS-07 kicked off
It certainly points to a lack of desire to even finish any FTTP build that were underway.
Maybe all the people that were managing those builds were shown the door as fibre zealots and some poor other sod had to try and learn what had been done and where negotiations stood
Wonder if AUSGRID getting all the aerial fibre design and install work in the Gosford area was part of some of those long drawn node power supply deals
The current management seem to delight in sweetening the pot for some suppliers of services with extra work not actually part of the negotiated deal
The lack of understanding about the subject from Pyne was embarrassing , bringing up movies as justification. Albo didn't do a lot better either tho.
This highlights the ongoing problem on Q and A. Whenever a comms minister is on, NBN discussion is not allowed. On the very odd occurrence they do allow it, they do it with ministers from different portfolios who only really know the speaking notes to regurgitate, or with other panellists who aren't specialists in the field. As such, NBN discussion is only ever superficial.
I'm guessing that neverless, your area is listed as RFS
Yep, April 30 last year apparently.
This highlights the ongoing problem on Q and A. Whenever a comms minister is on, NBN discussion is not allowed. On the very odd occurrence they do allow it, they do it with ministers from different portfolios who only really know the speaking notes to regurgitate, or with other panellists who aren't specialists in the field. As such, NBN discussion is only ever superficial.
I have generally boycotted Q&A when it became blatantly obvious that they were shutting down NBN discussion at the core. This was several years ago when someone here was on Q&A and described the process of having questions selected, the seating arrangements etc. Turns out it was a staged managed show afterall.
But last night, while I was flicking between channels, I came across a bit of the discussion. What I did see was Tony Jones direction of argument obviously to LNP's favour. Looks like Q&A is still shutting down unfavorable NBN debate on its show.
Really pyne has a face that looks like it needs a good five across the eyes.
Wouldn't phase him, he's probably had that daily since birth. The kind of guy even his mates punch in the face on a regular basis.
Albo is much better at transport and industrial infrastructure
I agree, he is fantastic at executing his agenda around this.
the NBN is unfortunately out of his depth.
Completely and truly. When he was on lateline with Turnbull in the 2013 campaign I was shouting at the TV like I wanted a microphone into his earpiece. Turnbull was frequently using fallacies and playing dirty so to speak and Albo could not roll with it and was being swept overboard.
Completely and truly. When he was on lateline with Turnbull in the 2013 campaign I was shouting at the TV like I wanted a microphone into his earpiece. Turnbull was frequently using fallacies and playing dirty so to speak and Albo could not roll with it and was being swept overboard.
It's a shame, he's just never been been able to understand and articulate technology issues, Jason Clare is much better but still not able to refute TurnCoat's BS very well when live. Michelle Rowland has probably the best understanding on comms infrastructure in the ALP's lower house crew iirc.
Jason Clare is much better but still not able to refute TurnCoat's BS very well when live
I think this comes down to Clare having some of Conroy's comms staffers who are very good at their jobs.
Michelle Rowland has probably the best understanding on comms infrastructure in the ALP's lower house crew iirc.
Michelle Rowland and Ed Husic would make a killer duo in the comms team IMO. Ed is also quite good across the NBN infrastructure, but together they would be amazing.
The lack of understanding about the subject from Pyne was embarrassing , bringing up movies as justification.
I think the take up of streaming services like Netflix and the frequent TV adverts for FreeView and other catch up TV services show it's a very good line as it resonates with the electorate who are using it for just that. Far more voters are going to identify with using the internet for TV and movies than will see any relevance in 1Gbps services.
but together they would be amazing
I'd forgotten about Ed � agreed, I'd like to see that too!
Speaking of transparency, remember when we had a NBN Co employee posting official information in these forums? I wonder what happened to him?
Kidnapped and gagged probably.
Probably taken out the back of nbn HQ and shot for being a socialist or some other trumped up nonsense!
Can't believe the drivel coming out of Pyne and Ciobo (or whatever his name is). Absolutely disgraceful.
I think the take up of streaming services like Netflix and the frequent TV adverts for FreeView and other catch up TV services show it's a very good line as it resonates with the electorate who are using it for just that. Far more voters are going to identify with using the internet for TV and movies than will see any relevance in 1Gbps services.
Good luck with that on the FTTN! You've also forgotten those who back-up to the cloud and use applications that require high speed internet access (without it, the application is useless). Last time I looked, the FTTN would need to be overbuilt for it to be "upgraded".
Speaking of transparency, remember when we had a NBN Co employee posting official information in these forums?
Wasn't that back in the NBNv1 era? Before NBNv2 took away the transparency and replaced it with a crumbling brick wall.
Speaking of transparency, remember when we had a NBN Co employee posting official information in these forums? I wonder what happened to him?
I remember Scott Rhodie, (/user/408887), but that was a long time ago.
Can't believe the drivel coming out of Pyne and Ciobo (or whatever his name is). Absolutely disgraceful.
they are just reciting a script
Bit like first level customer support you encounter when calling any organisation
wonder if the script writers have to wear hazmat gear when writing those scripts or if they have created a "script bot"
enter the keywords and it spits out Gospel
GIGO
Garbage in Garbage Gospel Out
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.a
It shows that more traffic will be crossing the internet per month in 2016 (110 exabytes) than it did for the entire of 2009 (108 exabytes).
Wrong.
NBN co have exceeded revenue and activation targets for 2016. That's why it won't be a major issue for the Coalition. There isn't much to be critical about.
Who cares?
You should. Anyone who swallowed the Libs "faster,cheaper" Koolaid should. The lack of HFC and FTTN connections after nearly 3 years should be very concerning. Everyone was supposed to have 25mbps by the end of this year for $29.5 billion weren't they? Questions need to be asked when the Libs are already years behind and double the cost. Why wont you ask the hard questions of the Libs?
Under the Coalition the NBN is going from strength to strength and the numbers prove it.
They don't. That's the point. How many connections from the 955,000 Pyne quoted are active HFC and FTTN?
Labor mismanaged the NBN.
Not anywhere nearly as badly as this government. Why are they so desperate to hide the truth that they have to get NBN Co to bring in the cops and ask the media along to film it all? Very,very sad state of affairs when a government tries to censor the media and the opposition.
You have to benchmark the Coalition's management against the Labor's historic record to see that Turnbull did a good job with the NBN.
Yep. How many connections from the 955,000 Pyne quoted are active HFC and FTTN? Turnbulls policy accounts for the HFC and FTTN bit, so how much is that?
When the Coalition got into government the rollout was in danger of stopping
Apart from yourself Says who.
Dr Mark Gregory of RMIT said that it would take an extra ten years for the NBN to be completed.
Getting your coulds and woulds mixed up again Kingy?
I don't know where you get the facts from, but it's clearly not from anywhere credible.
A stuttered facts generator.
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Where in the hell did you get that 'the rollout was in danger of stopping.' ?
Simon Hackett, former member of the NBN Co board. He had inside knowledge of the true state of the NBN when Labor left office.
How do you know?
What released report had targets and results.
CP16 is a forecast report.
Where is a released report for results?
3 year plan held targets, yet it is in the void with no hope of ever being seen.
Karina needs to be asked what's up? She said 'March/April' in her last tweet. STILL WAITING
Why wont you ask the hard questions of the Libs?
It might burn like a vampire seeing the sun or mirror.
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That's why it won't be a major issue
Getting your coulds and woulds mixed up again Kingy?
He's the one he went on to ABC and said Labor's rollout was too slow so you should go and blame him.
NBN co have exceeded revenue and activation targets for 2016.
50,000 FTTN connections was the target?
Who cares? Under the Coalition the NBN MTM is going from strength to strength nowhere fast and the numbers prove it.
Once you take away all those FTTP connections (Labor Policy) from the figures things don't look so rosy do they.
Turnbull did a good job with destroying the NBN
He's the one he went on to ABC and said Labor's rollout was too slow so you should go and blame him.
He never said what you claimed he did.
He's the one he went on to ABC and said Labor's rollout was too slow so you should go and blame him.
If we take Simon's word, then FTTN should be removed from the roll-out.
Next.
He's the one he went on to ABC and said Labor's rollout was too slow
Excuse me Kingy ... but that's a different story to where you said ...
Dr Mark Gregory of RMIT said that it would take an extra ten years for the NBN to be completed.
Would you like a front end loader to dig that hole?
Next.
Social media doesn't get to decide the next government the Australian voter does that.
According to Vote Compass, before the raids, Infrastructure didn't even rate.
Social media doesn't get to decide the next government the Australian voter does that
And who do you think uses social media!
Simon Hackett, former member of the NBN Co board. He had inside knowledge of the true state of the NBN when Labor left office.
Hackett also said FTTN was crap and shouldn't be used, and yet he has supported its rollout, even when its way behind schedule, and costing almost double what it should. He also said NBN Co was doing well when he left, and yet the leaks clearly prove otherwise. Hard to give him much credence based on reality.
The record of the Coalition's management of the NBN remains strong and credible.
LNP talking points 101, keep repeating and repeating, and it will sound true. This isn't 2013 anymore, the public has seen what rubbish mtm nbn is.
Social media doesn't get to decide the next government the Australian voter does that.
Random person on whirlpool doesn't get to decide what is hot or not in Australian voters minds.
Next.
Whatever he said exactly it's clear that he thought Labor's NBN was going too slow.
I agree, and he was quite rightly pointing to project shortfalls regarding timing and possible costs.
Nobody here is saying under the Labor Govt the NBN rollout was going flawlessly.
It had problems, they were learning and yourself / News Corp cheered on the LNP as they sniped and jeered from the cheap seats.
3 years on and Morrow and Co have taken failing to a whole new level.
But you fail to acknowledge ANY shortcomings of the current rollout or strategy.
Malcolm is definitely in charge and under his watch the public, the treasury and Australian business is being dudded on an epic scale.
The adults are not in charge.
The Howard and Costello era is gone and the spoiled children Abbott / Pyne / Turnbull etc. are pissing the inheritance up against the wall.
NBN co have exceeded revenue
Oh? isn't it at negative revenue?
and activation targets for 2016
err...So we're all connected then? wasn't the target everyone by 2016?
There isn't much to be critical about.
Yes there bloody well is.
...he could only re-iterate the company line, he couldn't even say "no comment" as that would be interpreted as a negative comment by ommision
Yep. That's my point. He is not the impartial and objective commentator that Kingforce is trying to make out.
The results of NBN Co customer surveys have been widely reported by media.
Oh those less then 14 people happy with FTTN.
Worthy of "widely reported"
https://simonhackett.files.
And he wasn't even there to know any of this. He seems to be, like you, singing from the LNP song sheet.
I know people who were there at the time and left, because they were disgusted with what a mess the company had become. Sorry, I'll take their word over the stories of someone who wasn't even there at the time.
you should go and blame him.
Whoa there...did I just read an LNP fan not blaming labor? What alternate reality am I in?
yes I know he was still trying to pass the blame off from LNP where it belongs, but atleast he didn't say it was labor's fault!
Morrow's NBN Co has passed 2 million premises which is nearly a quarter of all households.
How many of those are active HFC or FTTN connections? Morrow cant get credit what Labor put in place.
Morrow is supposed to be providing everyone with 25mbps by the end of this year. How is that coming along?
Whatever he said exactly
Because you sure wouldn't want to know that...
it's clear that he thought Labor's NBN was going too slow.
During the startup phase? Not from all he has said in the past...sure it could have been quicker, but quicker is usually much more expensive.
Mark Gregory is a pro fibre supporter
But not a political person...he wouldn't really care WHO came up with the best design, as long as it is built.
Morrow's NBN Co has passed 2 million premises
Maybe...maybe not. He has obviously been obfuscating the truth for some time, so I wouldn't accept that as a fact.
Didn't Mark directly address your claims of what he said in an earlier thread and compreshensively debunked your misrepresentation of his position?
He did. Kingforce is very clearly trolling yet again.
EDIT: Quote got left out for some reason.
Morrow's NBN Co has passed 2 million premises which is nearly a quarter of all households.
Point 1) the vast majority (95%+) of the 2M premises are those NBN V1 FTTP put in train � Turnbull's and Morrow's contribution was to slow that down to 40% build rate they cannot claim the FTTP as theirs at all other than they happened to watch such valuable magnificence get built. Their 2 � years of inaction for which they are solely responsible for is a miniscule contribution.
Point 2) NBN V1 was for 12M, presumably you exclude the HFC which the Optus portion is dead as a door nail so whatever way you look at it � not a qtr of rollout....but I note Turnbull, Morrow and disciples like your self choose to include Satellite and Fixed Wireless in claims, such cherry picking only serves for deception....but we are used to it
and NBN Co customer surveys show people are satisfied with speeds on the MTM.
Point 3) my previous response with quote form Cannington WA thread post, one of many similar posts, clearly proves your statement wrong and deceptive at best...look at the real world not the propoganda...
I don't know why I am bothering. This might sound like an attack. but are you mental? do you need meds?
No, in fact, I don't know why anyone would attempt to answer such convoluted drivel. The man is clearly mentally unbalanced. Is he in some sort of time warp? Nothing; no amount of truth or balanced reason ever seems to be considered. His arguments are so one-sided, I'm under the distinct impression he IS already on meds. Mind altering ones.
Just ignore him. He wants nothing more than to create havoc. He's a classic mindless troll.
Everyone here recognises that Labor could have handled some aspects better, but this is the Coalition thread, and they have been in power for almost three years.
And by every comparative measure the MTM has proved far worse and a disaster when you look at the posts of those getting FTTN now. I can't recall anything like these complaints from FTTP subscribers.
The results of NBN Co customer surveys have been widely reported by media.
Go check FTTN threads Kingy they are the real customers � they'd be too disgusted to bother with official complaints � I'd hate to be on the RSP help desks.
Just ignore him. He wants nothing more than to create havoc. He's a classic mindless troll.
The sad thing is that nothing is done about it. He (and GMZ) has a long history of trolling and yet he is still here. There have been posters who made much more valuable contributions that have been removed from the forum for much less. Does my head in. They wont substantiate anything when questioned, they keep repeating the same stuff, even when it is soundly disproven, they disappear soon after they post. All classic attributes of trolling according to the WP rules, and yet, here they still are, blowing out another thread.
You can almost pick if they have been here before even entering the thread. Just look at the page count, and if it has jumped through the roof, either something important has happened or KF and GMZ have been posting again.
Go check FTTN threads Kingy they are the real customers � they'd be too disgusted to bother with official complaints
I'd go one step further ....
Go on Kingy ... go and espouse the virtues of FTTN in those threads. You'll get the response your rhetoric deserves ... and even better ... it'll be on topic.
Ohh for Dog's sake Kingee!
Is that Turnbull's dog you are referring to...Turnbull clearly had (much more) inside info
Go on Kingy ... go and espouse the virtues of FTTN in those threads. You'll get the response your rhetoric deserves ... and even better ... it'll be on topic.
+10000000, retribution from unhappy FTTN users.
so the Liberals really have no idea how to cost their nbn� build, first it was going to be $29 Billion and now it is at the $50 Bullion mark and may keep rising.
Seems that they have problems with numbers of all sorts and whatever they say can vary by around $30 Billion.
Another example of Liberal inmumeracy is shown here
http://www.smh.com.au/federa
According to the LNP, aren't I supposed to be on the NBN and be getting my 25Mb by the end of this year?
Why then, does it say this, when I search for my address on the NBNCo website: ??
Where you stand within the nbn� rollout
Not currently available
IF I were, as the LNP said, getting on the NBN and getting 25Mb by the end of this year, surely work would be preparing if not started in my area, by now � Especially since I live in an old area?
Last I head, my area won't even be able to spit in the general direction of the NBN, until 2019 at the earliest!!
1. The rollout should never have been done using major contractors. This was forced on NBN Co by the telecommunications industry that would not entertain the idea that the largess could not be spread around. Dealing directly with the sub-contractors who actually do the work would have been the way to go.
I agree entirely. This is exactly what I've been saying since the very beginning. I think part of it was political too (Malcolm Turnbull was literally calling the NBN 'communist' as it was).
Dealing with the subbies directly would have required a lot more management and administration but in the end would have been far cheaper and more efficient.
7. The new management team at NBN Co have been careful to set targets so low that there was little chance the targets were not met � simply continuing existing contracts from the post-2014 changeover would ensure this occurred. 2 million premises passed in June 2016 whereas it should be 4-5 million now (see Rod Tuckers graphs of data from the corporate plans 2010-2016)
It's pretty sad to watch them try and convince the public they're doing a good job. The previous management were aiming for 10 but hitting a 7, and the new management try to tell us they're better by setting a target for a 3 and hitting it...
Dealing with the subbies directly would have required a lot more management and administration but in the end would have been far cheaper and more efficient.
And a lot less opportunities for political donations, gifts, board seats and lobbying role opportunities in the future.
Seems there are differing figures from many sources
Different point in timeline different figures � as to be expected.
948,739 are active customer services
Which is roughly the same as per ACCC data I used:
https://www.accc.gov.au
The main point, however, is the fact that ~80% of all cutrent NBN users are on ALP initiated FttP and less than 10% on Turnbull championed FttN ! Something you won't hear from the LNP or their supporters...
Quote: � Statistics from the ombudsman show that in this first quarter of this year, internet issues made up about 35 per cent of all complaints, compared to 26 per cent for the same quarter last year.
There were a total of 31,297 complaints during the quarter, an increase of 5.6 per cent during the same period in 2015.
So Kingy, Zealot, please confirm NBN Co Turnbull and Morrow Keisler must be telling lies as to customer satisfaction
Holy sheet.. look at Malcolms photo back then. He looked much healthier. Ahh the stress is really showing now. His like aged 10 years in 3?
Looks like he worked overtime in destroying the nations broadband future.
Being the sort of person he is, it takes a toll on the body and the mind and, ultimately, the spirit.
So Kingy, Zealot, please confirm NBN Co Turnbull and Morrow Keisler must be telling lies as to customer satisfaction
Each time they post, answer their post with only a link to an unhappy FTTN customer as an answer to any of their usual rhetoric and the usual recycled crap they spin.
See what poor excuse they will come out with but then again they would just ignore it and probably prattle away with their usual rhetoric.
but then again they would just ignore it and probably prattle away with their usual rhetoric
True, but I still like your idea; it engages the least with these time wasting wipes while countering their twaddle.
It was touted in this thread somewhere recently, that there was something around 2 million homes/premises connected to the NBN...But according to a Delimiter article from April this year, only 29,005 are FTTN.
Can anyone actually explain what � for the love of technology � is going on, exactly?
The confusion comes from not fully understanding what it is that the leaked document contains.
AIUI,that leaked document refers to the scale FttN rollout defined by 2 major agreements
PDSA � for design services
MIMA � for construction services
These agreements occurred after what is known as the JDWC agreement with Telstra (the ~220000? premises covered by the 1000 + 400? node construction trial, which began to be marked RFS from October 2015).
However, with costs exploding and only 29,005 FTTN premises reportedly rolled out so far � far short of NBN Co's 94,273 target refers to the premises passed targets for the MIMA construction contracts as at 12/02/16.
Of more concern to me is the FDD approved gap reported in that document. This is the difference between Final Detailed Design (the stage before construction commences) approval, targets and actuals
The numbers for this metric for 12/02/16 were:
Target � 1 402 909
Actual � 662 665
Shortfall � 740 244
It is this part of the rollout pipeline that will affect the FY2017 targets.
The most reliable source for active connections by technology is the figures provided by nbn to the ACCC for the period to 31/03/16, and released on the 29/04/16
https://www.accc.gov
That report indicates there were the following TC-4 AVCs (active connections) as of 31/03/16 with the FY2016 targets from the 2016 corporate plan in (Brackets after)
FttB � 7 469
FttN � 36 190 (75000 includes FttB)
**FttP Brownfields � 636 009 (590 000)
**FttP Greenfields � 152 548 (155 000)
Fixed Wireless � 100 958 (95 000)
Interim Sat � 34 881
**FttP brownfields (761557 FttP total minus 152548 greenfields from weekly data)
Unfortunately the ACCC report doesn't show 'premises passed' figures, and nbn weekly rollout figures for that date don't show technology split for brownfields. The following are my best estimates.
FttB � unknown precisely (~250000 including FttN as of 10/03/16 according to evidence to estimates)
FttN � assume ~300000 at 31/03/16 including FTTB (500 000)
FttP Brownfield � 1 041 450 (1 080 000)
FttP Greenfield � 259839 (260 000)
Fixed Wireless � 369970 (370 000)
Interim Sat � 34881
I have made the point, over and over again, that the much touted nbnTM management targets are nothing more than a sham. This is highlighted perfectly with the FY2016 targets from the 2016 corporate plan.
I cannot stress this enough. This is a document that was released in August 2015, and the actuals listed above are for the 31/03/16 not the FY2016 target date.
the new management
Would be dealing also with many different contractors, in respect to the additional technologies of the MTM.
It would be early days to judge how they are going. Or mebe not!!
Ambitious But Rubbish writes...
Being the sort of person he is, it takes a toll on the body and the mind and, ultimately, the spirit.
Certainly a changed man....used to respect him but now...phph
As of April, it was just over 25,000.
Dont confuse 'premises passed' and 'active connections'.
My previous posts provides detailed figures for both as of 31/03/16.
The next ACCC report for active connections as of 30/06/16 should be available in July (probably late July).
Ambitious But Rubbish writes...
True, but I still like your idea; it engages the least with these time wasting wipes while countering their twaddle.
Pretty much it.
See their drivel
Reply with someone who isn't happy with their FTTN connection link and leave it at that.
Just expose how crap the MTM is.
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Simple short and who knows maybe even sweet.
Seems there are differing figures from many sources � e.g.
Absolute rubbish WhatThe ...... the rollout figures are completely transparent under nbn�. The correct figures are .... ummm .... hang on a minute .... the correct figures are ....... ummmmm ..... damn ..... I'm sure I had them here in a Bill Morrow non-ratified leaked non-nbn� 'For Official Use Only' document just a minute ago.
"Honey were the AFP in the house doing a raid again today? I seem to be missing some of my .. I mean their documents that were in my study."
The bush is waking up to Turnbull's easy way out plan by shifting customer from Fixed Wireless and FTTP to Satellite.
And I believe^ that under Quigley that once NBNCo had completed their proposed 93% rollout, they would have returned to the areas getting FW and would have commenced rolling out fibre to the FW areas too to replace their FW connection with a physical fibre connection.
^ Note that this is not based on any technical knowledge and my part. It's just my feeling that this would have happened. In summing up, it�s the constitution, it�s Mabo, it�s justice, it�s law, it�s the vibe, and�no that�s it�it�s the vibe. I rest my case.
And I believe^ that under Quigley that once NBNCo had completed their proposed 93% rollout, they would have returned to the areas getting FW and would have commenced rolling out fibre to the FW areas too to replace their FW connection with a physical fibre connection.
In some areas, maybe, but maybe not.
In low density areas, Fixed wireless makes a lot of sense. Its only problem is line of sight. So hilly areas � its near useless. Flat plains with large allotments, its near perfect. Easy, cheap, fast, for a low density area, its everything that a liberal nbn promises but cant deliver.
In fact, its probably better to roll out more FW than FTTP � to take more load of the poor satellites.
Note: the us (and south America) is having a massive surge of 'WISPs' Wireless isp's, fitting in the gaps using ubuiqiti gear and providing dirt cheap internet to places that otherwise struggled. Most of them are small business isps serving less than 500 clients..
In low density areas, Fixed wireless makes a lot of sense
Definitely. Wireless can be very high speed, its main problem is capacity. So it's pretty ideal as a primary access tech in medium density areas (close enough to reach enough subscribers with a single tower, but few enough that they don't swamp all the spectrum used by the tower).
And I believe^ that under Quigley that once NBNCo had completed their proposed 93% rollout, they would have returned to the areas getting FW and would have commenced rolling out fibre to the FW areas too to replace their FW connection with a physical fibre connection.
A logical progression. Quigley said himself there was opportunity to move to 94%....
I cannot stress this enough. This is a document that was released in August 2015, and the actuals listed above are for the 31/03/16 not the FY2016 target date.
Might take a little bit of time to absorb all that ozzie -thanks!!
It would be early days to judge how they are going. Or mebe not!!
Hate to repeat myself but it is quite clear just from looking at the posts on NBN Cannington WA where FTTN is just coming on board FTTN is a farce and apparently delivering much he same as ADSL when it settles down ....if that. Hate to think what it will be like when the nodes are fully populated
Its only problem is line of sight.
If NBN Co were smart they would have reutilised existing towers used for other services which already catered for the line of sight issues,...I stress, if
Which just makes the Labor party more beholden to unions
either party seems to be "beholden" to its biggest doners to varying degrees.
anymore discussion in here would be miles OT so i will cease now
Which just makes the Labor party more beholden to unions
Wrong tense, largely. Change makes to made, for complete accuracy. Labor is moving away from union domination over time.
"China? Really?
Which countries in EU have mandated rolling out fttp to 75% + of the population?
VDSL in Europe is growing faster than FTTP.
No government other than Australia's is "bankrolling" fttx. Some governments are subsidising it but most of the cost and risk is worn by the private sector."
Australia's circumstances are unique so it is not surprising that Australia might need a unique solution in internet provision as in other things. It's no argument to say "No one else is doing it". You actually have to make a case for why we shouldn't do it here.
NBN on ABC 702 starting at 37:40
https://radio.abc.net.a
Governments don't have the money to splash out on all fibre networks and telcos dont yet see the financial benefits.
You have to consider the best way forward all things considered.
The truth is that the Copper network in Australia is not in great shape as far as we know, and one problem is we still don't know.
FTTN is inferior to FTTH and seem to be costing a similar amount.
You can't take the costings given by the LNP/ALP as gospel and the current NBN management are handpicked by the LNP and have a tendency to hide information.
So what is probably needed is a full and open inquiry to establish the true position.
Install competent professional NBN management and free them from political interference.
It could be that FTTdp is the best way forward all things considered, but as far as I know FTTN is the worst way forward.
After listening to Mark on the radio FTTP as much as possible else we may as well give up.
No government other than Australia's is "bankrolling" fttx
How about Singapore?
In a government-led initiative to connect the island in a high-speed broadband network using various mediums such as fibre, DSL and cable, the Singapore ONE project was formally announced in June 1996, and commercially launched in June 1998. By December 1998, Singapore ONE is available nationwide with the completion of the national fibre optics network.
I'm sure there are others, check here if you are at all interested in educating yourself.
NBN on ABC 702 starting at 37:40
Nice cutting through the crap and telling what is what, Mark. Push the benefits to small business everyone, work on getting upload speeds higher.
Time is the most precious commodity of all, unless you can live forever.
I'm sure there are others, check here if you are at all interested in educating yourself.
To be clear, barryp was quoting rusty83.
25Mbps � some of the time
NBN's charge to give Australians access to 25Mbps internet speeds actually refers to wholesale speeds, which it sells in a range of speed tiers.
To meet its service level agreements, NBN must hit a stated peak speed just once in a 24-hour period.
That's right: it's contractually obliged to deliver its service speeds ... just once a day.
We can assume NBN will generally deliver above and beyond this minuscule requirement, but the company was not able to provide Fairfax with any data on its performance here.
Albo should have used this argument with Pyne on Q&A the other night.
That he did not think quick enough on his feet to come up with something like the above, is a real problem for Labor.
Some governments are subsidising it but most of the cost and risk is worn by the private sector."
I love it when this constantly trotted out "voice of reason" argument gets brought up. It completely and utterly disregards just how much of a failure our "private sector" has.
Of course a subsidy would normally be the best thing to push growth in a private sector assuming the market is a proper thriving one w/ competition. Not the pseudo-monopoly of Telstra over here. Which basically chose *not* to do any upgrades since it was cheaper/profitable to hold a status quo w/ minimal work outside of "keep the lines running"
We are talking about a company that basically said they throttled HFC speed at a time of growth because "it was more profitable and did not see the need for the customer to have access to said speeds". The same company that did such a cheapskate job that led to the term "RIM Hell" for folks who want ADSL in metro areas. This is the wonderful "private sector" that we should be relying on?
Australia's isolation allows our "private sector" to have very closed markets which means the provider not the consumer dictates control. However just because the provider finds it more economically "cheaper" to defer upgrades doesn't mean the world around is will be standing still.
Albo should have used this argument with Pyne on Q&A the other night.
Yep, the MTM should always state 25 Mbps* with the emphasis on the asterisk.
Link
1. The rollout should never have been done using major contractors.
That's all very interesting Mark but that doesn't change the fact that you believed Labor's NBN could take up to 2031 to be completed.
By the way, how come you never mentioned the contractor model during your Wendy Harmer interview this morning?
I really really hope Labor ditches Malcolm Turbulls mess when they win the election, I don't want to pay for a 100/40 plan and potentially only get 30/20. With fibre if I pay for a 100/40 plan that is what I would get.
That's all very interesting Mark but that doesn't change the fact that you believed Labor's NBN could take up to 2031 to be completed.
How long is it going to take lnp to complete 93% fttp?
https://radio.abc.net.au/pr
Wendy Harmer questioning Gregory this morning about why on earth Malcolm Turnbull be doing something as destructive as rolling out FTTN, if what Gregory says is correct, just highlights how naive and trusting too many people are of some of our so called leaders, to do the right thing when it comes to the National Interest of Australia and what is good for the Economy.
Bloody brilliant Gregory.
Harmer questioning Gregory on his political connections was just lovely.
The question on upload speeds and the loss of business from not having good enough upload speeds by one called was great to hear.
How long is it going to take lnp to complete 93% fttp?
If we were to switch back to FTTP now then NBN Co says it would take until 2026 to complete the NBN.
the MTM should always state 25 Mbps*
The ridiculousness of this is that I could already get 25Mbps now, instead of waiting til at least 2019...
My current ADSL downstream rate is ~1450Kbps.
With a bonded ADSL service, I could easily get the 25Mbps, though I probably shouldn't mention this to any LNP member!!
If we were to switch back to FTTP now then NBN Co says it would take until 2026 to complete the NBN.
So we'd get there much sooner than continuing with MTM first?
So we'd get there much sooner
*Waits for the obligatory 'completed by 2020' comment*
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