Not sure I agree with your conclusion
I'm not that fussed whether the 50+Mbps is 17% or 22.5%. It's all much of a muchness, possibly cancelled out by the 12% boost to 25Mbps.
Had some incorrect percentages � now fixed.
Telstra at their last report said that 20% of their FTTP subscribers were on phone-only (I assume that means 12/1)
1st is he got us out of debt + sold Telstra usual LNP way out of trouble....
Selling Telstra is why they got out debt, that's still only 1. I've had some guy say "some guy on TV told me his he was good" LOL
Telstra at their last report said that 20% of their FTTP subscribers were on phone-only (I assume that means 12/1)
I am not sure if the Telstra numbers include 'Belong' (a subsidiary as I understand it who offer 12/1).
The numbers I have stated are my calculations from the linked data (as of 31/03/2016). I think they are correct now (I could be wrong and have been before)
The situation is still pretty fluid although as the rollout progresses the variation in the numbers should diminish.
Telstra at their last report said that 20% of their FTTP subscribers were on phone-only (I assume that means 12/1)
They're probably older folk who don't use the internet and have, like it or not, been forced to upgrade to the NBN infrastructure. Meanwhile it's pretty clear that both the LNP and ALP parties are now obviously set on the continuation of the now inferior MTM roll out.
Meanwhile it's pretty clear that both the LNP and ALP parties are now obviously set on the continuation of the now inferior MTM roll out.
Err..nope:
NBN: Stop the nodes, Clare says
FTTN rollout should be stopped in favour of FTTdp or FTTP, Labor�s broadband spokesperson says
http://www.computerworl
Not overly distorting imo
My analysis does indicate that they are, at least to some extent distorting the distribution. When comparing the groupings of 12/1+25/5 to 50/20+100/40 Telstra have 52% of the market for the first group, but only 32.5% of the second group with Optus and TPG taking up most of the proportional difference. When comparing within each of the respective companies own groups, with the exception of M2, the others are around the 20-25% mark. Telstra and M2 are in the same range as each other in this one, with M2 having the least amount of its subscribers on the highest plans, at just 9.5% of their subscribers, while Telstra isn't doing much better at 11.4%.
M2 doesn't surprise me as their main target is the cheap market of people who don't actually want to pay for internet. The big surprise in this specific comparison is that 25% of Optus customers are on 50/20 or 100/40. I didn't bother running the analysis on plans above 100/40 because 65 subscribers in 941,235 subscribers is statistically insignificant, working at 2 decimal places they are literally rounding error.
I am not sure if the Telstra numbers include 'Belong' (a subsidiary as I understand it who offer 12/1).
On the first part that is a good question. While they are a subsidiary they have done a great deal to keep them separate, to the point that with ADSL they don't buy direct from Telstra Wholesale but rather Telco-in-a-box. Not quite sure what their arrangement is for the NBN, and where they get counted. As for the second part yep, they do offer 12/1 as a base.
On the note of subsidiaries being included in the title group, are the wholesalers grouped in. The top 3 all have wholesale divisions which on-sell NBN services. This is going to have an effect on their own numbers when a given group doesn't necessarily sell a plan level directly through their retail arms. I know its a long shot to even bother asking for, but I do wonder if it would be possible to get disaggregated figures between retail and wholesale arms
It's all much of a muchness, possibly cancelled out by the 12% boost to 25Mbps
I understand the position in terms of ARPU but it does show there is a counter factual to be presented to the 83% are choosing speeds of 25 or less claim.
There are other aspects to consider on the figures that report presents.
The overall FttN percentages on (up to) 100 speeds are less than half those on FttP (7.4% to 15.1%). While the total numbers are relatively small, and there has not been any compulsory cutovers, the trend is in direct contrast to that of early FttP areas, where there were high early adoption rates for 100 services.
These high numbers have since declined as late adopters and phone only services have been added at cutover.
It would be reasonable to assume similar trends will materialise in the FttN footprint, but will be skewed lower due to some users being unable to access the speeds they are willing to pay for due to distance/copper condition.
Telstras share of the (albeit small) FttN footprint is also significantly higher than the FttP market (58.4% to 47.4%)
The elephant is still in the room, and its not going anywhere.
Nice to see these articles, we need more of them.
Telstras share of the (albeit small) FttN footprint is also significantly higher than the FttP market (58.4% to 47.4%)
That may well be what Telstra was aiming for...lots of existing phone/internet customers just translating across out of sheer ignorance of opportunities for change to something better.
Whether its crappy steel from China or crappy Executives from the US � why oh why are we so against our own people. Why are so in love with junk from overseas. Reflects very poorly our character. You would think Telstra would have learnt from Sol
Err..nope:
NBN: Stop the nodes, Clare says...
Great if it came to fruition, but unfortunately Clare is a voice in the political wilderness. Now if it was Shorten who said this, and kept to his word, we might have a chance of a modern comms roll out.
Now if it was Shorten who said this
https://delimiter.com.au/201
You were saying?
You were saying?
Cough, the article does say "Fighting words from Shorten, but I wouldn�t read too much into them. I�ll be waiting to see the fine print on Labor�s NBN policy before counting this as a victory."
A lot of conjecture, but certainly no guarantee or promise of a return to fibre....so be it LNP or ALP, it's odds on that we remain firmly positioned behind the proverbial 8-ball.
A lot of conjecture, but certainly no guarantee or promise of a return to fibre....so be it LNP or ALP, it's odds on that we remain firmly positioned behind the proverbial 8-ball.
The problem here is, Renais right, we can't exactly go straight to a full on fibre rollout. The next best thing is FttDP which the Liberal party is already trying to make it seem like a bad thing claiming crap on it, all because they didnt want to give up the FTTN ideology last year when they knew it was the better technology
That may well be what Telstra was aiming for...lots of existing phone/internet customers just translating across out of sheer ignorance of opportunities for change to something better.
I would say that is exactly what Telstra is aiming for.
My understanding of the challenges posed by the CVC charges is that high speed, high bandwidth customers cost more to service.
It is in Telstras interest to sign up as many users as possible on lower speed, lower bandwidth plans. It is precisely this factor, combined with their market presence that gives them such an advantage in the market.
The transition from a supply constrained market to one that is demand driven is more likely than not to favour the dominant incumbent.
The problem here is, Renais right, we can't exactly go straight to a full on fibre rollout. The next best thing is FttDP which the Liberal party is already trying to make it seem like a bad thing claiming crap on it, all because they didnt want to give up the FTTN ideology last year when they knew it was the better technology
Why not? There's no reason that we can't transition back to FTTP. Obviously some FTTN areas would have to be completed in the transition time and then replaced with proper fibre once the rest of the rollout is completed.
FTTdp is nice in that it has an actual upgrade path to proper fibre and that it's a bit better speed-wise than FTTN, but I still can't work out why so many people support it. Over the medium to long term (factoring upgrades) it will cost more and be money wasted over just going back to FTTP... The only conclusion I can think of is that people think it's more politically correct to use the old degrading copper in some way, but that's a bad reason to make that kind of decision.
With FTTdp you're always going to have reliability problems here and there because of the weakest link (the copper), which means higher operational expenditure due to remediation. Your LN is the same as the GPON network, but then you have active electronics in the pit, which is much more difficult to access for maintenance (more opex again). Further, I'm not convinced that there are currently micro-nodes on the market that you could share between a couple of houses that would be cheaper than just running the fibre tails...
But the main problem to remember is that rolling out FTTdp would first require just as many trials, etc. as FTTN needed. We can't spend another two years faffing about before we start rolling out a better technology than FTTN! Whereas we know that a cheaper solution to rolling out FTTP has already been trialled and we could start rolling that out in all new areas pretty much immediately (adding in some design time).
Cough, the article does say
You're not confusing Renai's opinion for fact are you?
no guarantee or promise of a return to fibre.
You must be reading a different article, or just filtering it through your conservative spectacles.
When I read this bit: "They cannot give voice to their preferred ideology by passing on stolen documents.", I thought, "And you can't give voice to your preferred ideology by bad-mouthing whistleblowers.
And I thought about the 'Yes Minister' sketch on information leaks.
That's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it? I give confidential project progress briefings. You whistleblow. He has been charged under section 2a of the Official Secrets Act.
I've heard that NBN are going to be using the Telstra cable network where available. My homes only option for high speed internet is Telstra cable, is there an ETA on NBN roll out on the Telstra cable network?
is there an ETA on NBN roll out on the Telstra cable network?
Unless you are on the rollout plan. No.
- Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
Is it? Or is it at the bequest of News Limited? Murdoch and his media is a powerful ally � and he stands to lose the most from a properly functional nbn. The MTM policy was even launched at Fox Studios.
is there an ETA on NBN roll out on the Telstra cable network?
There are zero premises connected to NBN on Telstra cable today, the product launch is due in a couple of weeks.
They have been very quiet on any trials, the only one that I'm aware they publicised was an Optus area back in Feb.
https://twitter.com/DCoopes/status/735101684829933570
The data shows, its a lie that FTTN is faster to roll out than FTTP.
And surely Sen Conroy would have copies of Docs from when he was Minister in Charge showing the costing of a single and multiport NTD.
We can pretty much calculate that now, essentially it is the difference in priced of a four way RJ45 socket with integrated magnetics vs a 1 way RJ45 socket with integrated magnetics. I say this after eyeballing the PCB and the nature of the modular design.
The great thing about the multi port NTD is that the additional ports are available to everyone, including those that think they don't need them when first installing.Even for a dedicated medical monitorng service,
That makes them available to employers that want to put in a secure service for an employee, for new "cable company" that wants to use a dedicated port for their STB.
Even for a dedicated medical monitoring service after someone's health take a turn after they got their NBN installed.
The four port NTD provides "Ubiquity x4".
It is similar to the higher speed AVCs, you only need a small proportion of take up to lift ARPU above the incremental costs. And that is before the unexpected applications we couldn't have anticipated.
There are zero premises connected to NBN on Telstra cable today, the product launch is due in a couple of weeks.
I would love to know how the NBNCo has managed to achieve so little with HFC.
The data shows, its a lie that FTTN is faster to roll out than FTTP.
But common sense says it should be. There's much less labour involved. How has the NBNCo managed to make FTTN take so long?
What are all those people doing?
There are zero premises connected to NBN on Telstra cable today, the product launch is due in a couple of weeks.
So they are launching some sort of media release on the plans for NBN on Telstra cable in a few weeks?
Fingers crossed I can get NBN in less than a year.
I can get NBN in less than a year.
The hijacked copper fraudband nbn snail-speed non-broadband or the original NBN fibre high-speed broadband ?
The question that should be asked is "why is Telstra not pushing 100Mbps?".
The sooner NBN Co fails to achieve ROI of 2.5% the sooner the probability for Telstra to be handed over the entrails of NBN/nbn, like so many other matters NBN and now eHealth it seems. Part of the original failure/destruction plan and the ideological myth that only private enterprise can do this sort of thing....
The sooner NBN Co fails to achieve ROI of 2.5%
How much does the nbn have to blow out by for the ROI to hit 0%?
whilst it may be politically smart, adding all the options to it makes it a complex thing to manage, it removes the KISS principle
Quigley and Co designed the original NBN to service now and well into the future.
Anything else is servicing the now and next week
Totally agree...the focus should be on what is best value for money for generations not just this one. It is that sense of immediate 'greed' (no offence to posters) that Turnbull and Co have pitched their ideological farce....
Simply seems it is futile to build something you know you have to fix up a little further down the line, and you know how to do that now. Cost is not an issue while funds can be accessed so cheaply and the business model is so sound (and proving itself so with the FTTP portion built to date). The real cost consideration is the cost of not doing full FTTP NOW !!
When I read this bit: "They cannot give voice to their preferred ideology by passing on stolen documents.", I thought, "And you can't give voice to your preferred ideology by bad-mouthing whistleblowers.
The right that sprung to my mind is that he seems to continuing the misrepresentation that the "fibre zealots" are trying to take them down. It also seems to confirm NBN Cos unwillingness to change the rollouts, even in the face of evidence they have internally.
It's also concerning that whenever NBN Co say they are being transparent, the only example they cite is a weekly rollout report. That report doesnt actually tell you much to start with. The fact that things like the 3 year rollout plan are months overdue are never mentioned. We got far more info under Labors NBN reporting.
Ziggy also claims in the interview that they provide transparency by attending the Senate hearings. The reality though is that simply attending doesn't provide transparency. You have to actually answer questions and provide information to provide transparency, and Morrow and Co always hides behind CiC or taking a question on notice (which never actually gets answered)
Imho Fizzbull will definitely try and sell the NBN to telstra if he's re-elected (not that I think he stands a hope in hell of being re-elected) . The money already wasted on fraudband will of course be swept under the carpet as they brag of a $20-$30b windfall. The most pathetic part is that he'll probably get away with it.
How much does the nbn have to blow out by for the ROI to hit 0%?
Not sure what you mean by blow out. Cost increase is a factor but it is the revenue, or more correctly the failure to generate revenue and be able to service the loan that is the key. The 2 � yr delay to get started with FTTN, slowing FTTP to 40% of original rollout rate and now consumer selection of slowest FTTN Plans and poor functionality ie. data transfer discouraging higher level data packages etc etc that diminishes revenue.
If they can't service the existing borrowings (govt only to 2017) and can't demonstrate to the open commercial market they have the capacity to service their loans to complete the build two things happen � because of higher risk loan rates from banks will be higher or they just won't be interested. Both options point to total failure of NBN Co.
Fingers crossed I can get NBN in less than a year.
If you are already on cable don't expect nbn HfC to be much different
Not sure what you mean by blow out.
I think it was the last Senate Estimates or the second last one where it was mentioned it would be an ROI of around 3.3-3.5% with 46 billion dollars and 2.5% if it hit 56 billion. So it must keep going down as funding costs rise.
Ziggy used the phrase "ideologically-motivated".
Oops.
Shot the LNP in the foot with that one.
That's the whole reason we have MTM in the first place not FTTP to ~93%.
Moron.
Also:
The CEO of Internet Australia, Laurie Patton, also took aim at Dr Switkowski's article, saying he was making serious accusations against two unnamed NBN officers despite no charges having been laid.
"The issue is not about NBN's performance to date, on which there is real and genuine concern in
technical circles and in the public arena, it's about the fundamental fact that they are building an inferior network at a time when Australia has well justified ambitions to become a leading innovation nation," he said.
Mr Patton says whoever wins the election should hold an independent review into the NBN.
Strong words.
it be 2 inquiries i 1 and the bigger of the 2 is going to see everyone riding on te backwash of turnbull sunk with turnbull facing a jail cell or firing squad for treason against the australian public..
Strong words.
Very accurate ones, powerfully put by the CE of Internet Australia, the representative organisation for all Net matters in Australia.
The only thing we might add would say an 'independent review' will need to be a full Royal Commission to flush out any of the political or other boondoggles that may have occurred.
i doubt the wiring in my place would rate to 2008 telstra mandate there tex, at this stage i wouldn't be surprised if we see treason charges laid.. on this mess we call mtm ala tophat install
does anyone know what the cost per premises for skymuster is? vs fixed line and fixed wireless
does anyone know what the cost per premises for skymuster is? vs fixed line and fixed wireless
Who knows for sat?
Launch cost vs shoving people on by the truckloads keeps dropping the average cost per user.
does anyone know what the cost per premises for skymuster is? vs fixed line and fixed wireless
2016 Corporate Plan says (fully loaded costs including Telstra infrastructure payments)
FttP Brownfields = 4400
FttP Greenfields = 2100
FttN = 2300
HFC = 1800
Fixed Wireless = 4900
Satellite = 7900
the stats on satellite service is bogus it was a interim service some 23+ years ago was 100,000 users with an average growth rate of 25% across the last 23 years somewhere north of 575,000+ users today if not more..
4g/lte waste of time over priced for a basic paging service given the piss poor quota system in place...
FttP Brownfields = 4400
FttP Greenfields = 2100
FttN = 2300
HFC = 1800
Fixed Wireless = 4900
Satellite = 7900
based on that , how can they justify putting select people on satellite (Such as the adelaide guy) when it would make more sense financially to put those people on FTTN/HFC or FW
based on that , how can they justify putting select people on satellite (Such as the adelaide guy) when it would make more sense financially to put those people on FTTN/HFC or FW
Only count user equipment costs � opex/revenue will be someone else's problem.
/s
how can they justify putting select people on satellite (Such as the adelaide guy) when it would make more sense financially to put those people on FTTN/HFC or FW
To speed up their rollout target figures ..
We all know it doesn't matter what Ziggy says
https://cafewhispers.wordpre
2003 = coppers rooted
2013 = coppers in brand new condition and well maintained
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2003 = coppers rooted
2013 = coppers in brand new condition and well maintained
Yup that well maintained that I was spending money on ADSL2+ service that was offline most of the time.
Saying the condition of the copper is new and well maintained is like saying the Titanic is still afloat.
But then again give enough money to people they will spin anything.
Give Ziggy's his marching orders.
The ALP's Tony Burke has now written to the secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Dr Martin Parkinson, stating the article breached the caretaker conventions and the Commonwealth Government Business Enterprise Governance and Oversight Guidelines.
Burke requests Parkinson �immediately undertake inquiries� into the matter.
Re;
Switkowski wades into NBN leak debate, ALP is furious..
Do you think anything will be done about this?
2003 = coppers rooted
2013 = coppers in brand new condition and well maintained
Maybe he installed self healing copper in 2003...
Say that enough times and he will believe it himself.
Ziggy added the list with Morrows, FiField, Turnbull, Abbott. Lying scumbags.
In a word? no
Yeah...not a hope in hell, unless there's enough of a sustained outroar about it that the libs can't ignore it anymore. We can hope for that, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Switkowski wades into NBN leak debate, ALP is furious..
Do you think anything will be done about this?
Parkinson was sacked by Abbott from Treasury.
Turnbull, Palmer and Parkinson were at that well publicised dinner together in Canberra a couple of years ago.
Parkinson was hand picked to head Prime Minister's Office.
Once upon a time frank and fearless advice was the hallmark of top public servants, for Minister's to act on.
Can't see any action on any matters to do with this NBN raid issue whatsoever prior to election as in 'Yes Minister' mode there is no 'Minister' so to speak... and no doubt Parkinson wants to continue in his contracted role...
In politics timing is everything...
Switkowski wades into NBN leak debate, ALP is furious..
and calls the whistle-blowers thieves, clearly he fails to understand IP � copying IP is not stealing, simply because the person copying the IP hasn't deprived the originator of the IP, it still exists and can still be used in anyway the originator sees fit.
and calls the whistle-blowers thieves, clearly he fails to understand IP � copying IP is not stealing, simply because the person copying the IP hasn't deprived the originator of the IP, it still exists and can still be used in anyway the originator sees fit.
Its questionable if it even is IP. Its financials and numbers, progress reports and updates. Its not even anything innovative or a design of any sort that warrant full copyright.
Maybe it is IP for MTMCo, because its the only company in this world to deliberately aim for zero return on investment and to have the company run into the ground. I guess no sane company would copy this model. Only the MTM and world first would attempt and achieve such a goal.
I'm no law egg-head but the two ex-NBN employers lawyer should be scaring Ziggy off right about now with defamation case to remind Ziggy that the trial hasn't gone through yet and calling his clients "thieves" when the case hasn't even been heard yet...
should be scaring Ziggy off right about now with defamation case to remind Ziggy that the trial hasn't gone
Not just threatening him but instigating proceedings with malic, I would be sure there are a number of entities that would like to see him knocked down hard.
Not to mention both Ziggy and co have been stating openly the the copper network was stuffed since the early 1990's, I suspect this is the secondary reason that Ziggy and co got the shafted by Telstra and fired..
I'm no law egg-head but the two ex-NBN employers lawyer should be scaring Ziggy off right about now with defamation case to remind Ziggy that the trial hasn't gone through yet
http://www.cio.com.au/articl
NBN chair's accusations of theft 'unfair'
"Laurie Patton, CEO of peak body, Internet Australia called the column �unhelpful and unfair� since the two unnamed NBN officers stood down following AFP raids had been given �no opportunity � to put forward their side of the story�.
"In a statement from Internet Australia, a not-for-profit peak body for internet user, Laurie Patton said: �The alleged actions of these NBN employees and questions as to their motives should be left to be dealt with according to the appropriate legal and parliamentary processes. It is unhelpful and unfair to be publicly disparaging people who, for the moment, are unable to respond.�
Back onto the Current Coalition NBN policy.. Oh yes, its going swimmingly...
https://twitter.com/DCoopes/status/737067354077548544
Note, the chart doesnt include any of the areas like St Mary's in adelaide which is full of shortfalls and unable to connect.
Techs are being booked, rebooked and rebooked by ISPs. The flow on costs for just this (born by the techs, ISP's and end users) wont show on NBN reports, but would be massive!
Give Ziggy's his marching orders.
As long he does not leave the country as he may be called on if a royal commission into Turnbulls MTM fiasco ever eventuates .
I know what you men utc I spent more than 3-4 months with piss poor land line and no internet service.
1st tech noted the fault beyond the D/A in the leg back to the exchange..
2nd tech did a run and bunk didn't even come up the my unit left a nice little letter and didn't walk past the boundary line of the property.
3rd techs noted and passed and concurred the prognosis of the 1st tech
4th tech actually repaired the issue..
Here's the irony when I left this suburb they were laying conduit for fibre option some 3-4 years ago with the d/a being over populated prior to me leaving I notices when I returned to the suburb 3-4 years later they haven't gone past the inital planning stages.
And they keep sending out people to take geo plots wasting more money before deployment, with the state of new buildings being built within the area I can say this a statement of fact that who ever installs the fibre optic will need to cater to 600 or more services and I doubt keeping up with deployment of copper past the D/A will help matter..
I'm in an area destined for fttn and I already know the infrastructure will require a major over haul if you want to support LAN or vdsl connection.. Personally I believe it will likely be cheaper to convert to fibre optics in my case... Rather than deal with the mess that uses fttn as the footprint with the given the copper requires an upgrade to support it..
Rocky, Quigly can join the debate all he likes though I doubt he can openly comment to about his former position at NBNco given I suspect he be under some form of clause that forbids him from commenting ..
Its not even anything innovative or a design of any sort that warrant full copyright.
"Innovation" is a test that patents must meet. Pretty much anything written that's original (and with a pretty broad definition of "original") is copyright, copyright mark or no.
https://delimiter.com.au/20
Bomb drop
Hope it makes it to the media in time..
https://www.eventbrite.com.a
More info on Quigley speech
More info on Quigley speech
and they are using an Image of the underground walkway between United Terminals in Chicago's O'Hare Airport, guess someone thinks it look all techy :) All those neon tubes
Given delimiters track record I would say this is going to be hidden by every major and minor media outlet..
I don't read delimiter much anymore because it had become a satire based drama rather than a credible source of information..
Pretty much anything written that's original (and with a pretty broad definition of "original") is copyright, copyright mark or no.
True, but normally a purely civil matter and thus outside the remit of the AFP, unless it leads to other crimes.
This link is so sad but funny. They really expect that amount of money and industry to set up in Australia. The most unaffordable country in the region in terms of internet speed and reliability.
You can find better internet capabilities, service and reliability in other countries right next door. Sorry Australia and the LNP but MTM is the network of missed opportunities and this is just another opportunity that you will miss.
Anyone got the league ladder of Asian broadband access ...if Indonesia isn't on it then recognise they have committed to FTTP and will surpass Australia's capability � the rest of Asia won't bother going past there. Australia will be the dirty backwater of internet in Asia...if its not already.
Unless of course the govt changes and Labor builds the FTTP network � the only way forward for this article to have any credibility
he most unaffordable country in the region in terms of internet speed and reliability.
That's right. We are something like 67th in the rankings.
Add the increased maintenance $2 billion a year
Maintenance is an unknown factor. Since at least 2007 Telstra were only giving workers an hour to try and fix problems or putting a plastic bag over pits making the current costs completely up in the air. Whether nbn will continue ignoring the copper breakdown is also unknown.
Whether nbn will continue ignoring the copper breakdown is also unknown.
Almost certainly while they're still in the transition phase and only have to guarantee 12/1 for the periods we're all now familiar with.
Still can't find an authoritative answer � does nbn FTTN provide wetting voltage?
Still can't find an authoritative answer � does nbn FTTN provide wetting voltage?
The line cards they use are capable of providing it, I am not sure that it does though. Although I don't know why they wouldn't if the capability was there.
Ziggy makes no apologies for reporting document theft to the AFP
http://www.theage.com.au/
Here are some things he should apologise for.
A year ago, the board of NBN set the commercial objectives for which the CEO and his executive team would be held accountable in the 2015-16 operating year.
Ziggy may well claim that one year ago the board set targets for the next financial year. The only publicly available document I am aware of detailing targets for this period is the 2016 Corporate Plan.
The published date for the 2016 Corporate Plan was some time in August 2015. A ~10 month initial forecast, after almost 2 years in control of the company.
The published date for the previous Corporate Plan was 11/11/14. This one only managed to forecast ~7 months out and declined to make any projections further than that claiming it was too hard..
The board is responsible for setting the targets for the company. I wonder if the performance bonuses paid to the management team (if any) will be publicly available information. I also wonder if the board are beneficiaries of any performance incentives.
The company will meet its targets for the ninth quarter in a row.
I would definitely like to see more detail about these quarterly targets. I am not saying they don't exist but I am not aware of what they comprise, or where I can find them. It is definitely not something that is accessible from a link on the home page of the website (as the weekly progress report is).
Contrary to media commentary, the documents did nothing to highlight poor management of the business. There are no "cost blowouts" or "rollout delays" to the publicly released plans
As far as I am aware the only publicly released plan is the 2016 Corporate Plan. Its forecasts are 12 monthly (not quarterly). I would be very happy to be pointed to the area of the nbn website that deals with quarterly targets.
� all one has to do is compare the data that is readily available.
Once again, somebody please point me to the readily (publicly) available data that sets out the quarterly construction targets with 'Build Prep' and 'Build Commenced' numbers along with 'Ready for Service' projected dates. It is this data that determines the progress of the rollout. 'Premises Passed', while important, simply tells us what has already happened, not what is happening.
Apparently � Contrary to media commentary, the 'leaked' documents show progress updates, options to ensure targets are met and ways to solve problems which are all normal parts of doing good business. It's simply wrong to diminish NBN's performance, because such accusations are not supported in fact.
If this is all the documents show, why is the public disclosure of the documents considered theft?
If this is all the documents show, why is the public disclosure of the documents considered theft?
[Channelling John Howard]
Ziggy: "We will decide what information is released to this country and the circumstances in which it is released."
Still can't find an authoritative answer � does nbn FTTN provide wetting voltage?
There's some Cisco gear that provides for whetting current, but I can't easily find the answer for the A-L 7330.
It is absolutely depressing looking at those figures.
The LNP are just beyond words!
Yep jobs and growth supposedly by public paying unnecessarily for rubbish....waste...
It isn't the chassis but the LT cards that provide the wetting/whetting current.
It is the MELT (MEtallic Line Testing) capability that provides the wetting/whetting current from what I can tell.
NBN Co are using NDLT-F LTs which support MELT.
Some further info here http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/2
There's some Cisco gear that provides for whetting current, but I can't easily find the answer for the A-L 7330.
Huh? Shouldn't it be generated from the CO?
Christopher Pyne�s assertion that there have been �no delays� in the implementation of the NBN is inaccurate.
Turnbull promised 25Mbit min by 2016...they are millions or people behind schedule to achieve this so how can there not be delays?
A classic non tech business illustrating the importance of connectivity.
Adore Beauty founder Kate Morris on the importance of high-speed internet
�What�s the biggest issue for me? Right now, to be honest, it�s the NBN [National Broadband Network]. It has really only come to my attention since we moved premises and moved away from NBN infrastructure.
We now remember how bad it is to try to run a business on copper. It�s just impossible.
For me, it�s not just a problem for our business � it�s any business. It�s brought it home to me how much a waste of time it is throwing money on innovation in any way unless you have the right infrastructure in place for tech-enabled businesses to grow.
Christopher Pyne�s assertion that there have been �no delays� in the implementation of the NBN is inaccurate.
You're too kind. I'd call it a lie :)
Some delays occurred under the Labor government ...
Yep. I think Labor need to tread warily if they go after the LNP on roll out delays as the LNP have the comeback of delays under Labour. That's not to say Labor shouldn't do it, just they need to be careful.
... hardly cheaper!
This is the one Labor should be able to kill them on. Under Labor the cost rose from $43bn to $45.6bn. But all that increase was in total funding due to roll out delays. The capex estimate was remarkable steady. Costs under the LNP have blown out everywhere, with the possible exception of FTTP. Better economic managers my arse!
But all that increase was in total funding due to roll out delays
And to top it off, the main rollout delay wasn't even NBN Co's fault but rather Telstra dragging their feet on asbestos remediation.
Ziggy makes no apologies for reporting document theft to the AFP
http://www.theage.com.au/
I will not make apology when he gets fired after ALP takes over.
Full-Metal-Alchemist writes...
I will not make apology when he gets fired after ALP takes over.
if Labor win, they should "performance manage" him out.
Knowing how he and most of the Senior Managers will have put "golden parachutes" in their contracts if sacked, they need to make him resign so as not to trigger the 'chute.
I mean, all they need to do is pull out the draft 2013 Corporate Plan and use that as his KPI benchmark and say, "why haven't you met these targets?
And then I guess any performance bonus would go west
The published date for the 2016 Corporate Plan was some time in August 2015. A ~10 month initial forecast, after almost 2 years in control of the company.
The published date for the previous Corporate Plan was 11/11/14. This one only managed to forecast ~7 months out and declined to make any projections further than that claiming it was too hard..
Have you actually read those corporate plans? They show clear forecasts for Premises Activated out to FY18. The recent (May) third quarter financials also show useful achievement data. I am sure they have better things to do than provide specifics just to your liking. The figures show a rapid expansion of capability and connections year on year. the media statement on May 20 regarding the theft of documents also states that they expect to meet or exceed all the targets for the year. As end of year is only one month away I would be surprised if they got that wrong.
the media statement on May 20 regarding the theft of documents also states that they expect to meet or exceed all the targets for the year.
Given that they lied about there being one or more instance of theft, why would you believe their other claims?
e media statement on May 20 regarding the theft of documents also states that they expect to meet or exceed all the targets for the year. As end of year is only one month away I would be surprised if they got that wrong.
It is one thing to meet targets so you can claim glory and pay bonuses and another to meet targets that don't achieve the financial requirements of the company which is the case with NBN Co apparently as Telstra is claiming they are $3B down on forecast payments from NBN Co. That can only be because NBN Co are not building and cutting over enough services � that's the real deal....
Given that they lied about there being one or more instance of theft, why would you believe their other claims?
Oh come on. That is the kind of ill considered (I could say stupid) comment that is all too prevalent in this forum and which lowers its credibility. About on the same level as the other nong going on about treason etc. Keep it real please.
Keep it real please.
It is completely real � it is the Coalition and Ziggy et al who are deliberately lying by claiming that there was theft, yet the search warrant makes no mention of theft or stolen property.
Fast broadband start-up growth puts Openreach under pressure
Hyperoptic, an ultra-fast broadband network builder, plans to roll out �gigabit� services across seven towns and cities, piling pressure on existing infrastructure owner BT Openreach.
The �15m network will deliver speeds of 1,000Mbps, around 10 times faster than those available today, with the aim of reaching 500,000 homes in Edinburgh, Portsmouth, Leicester, Southampton, Slough, Watford d Woking by 2018.
Hyperoptic, backed by hedge fund veteran George Soros, claims that residents have to endure �crippling broadband speeds� and that its new network will be 10 times faster. �Nobody does it faster than a gigabit service,� said Steve Holford, Hyperoptic�s customer boss.
�Enough people are now raising a flag to say they want us to build a network, and the difference for residents is huge.� Hyperoptic hopes that adding seven new areas to its network of 13 towns and cities will pile further pressure on BT Openreach, which is Britain�s dominant internet provider but has been criticised for failing to invest in fibre-optic cables.
the demand is there for GB services and seems the business case is also there, because they are overbuilding BT
if Labor win, they should "performance manage" him out.
Knowing how he and most of the Senior Managers will have put "golden parachutes" in their contracts if sacked, they need to make him resign so as not to trigger the 'chute.
Please take at look at the annual report, no bonus deferral.
Hmm. If you take a close look at the remuneration section Ziggy is on a base salary of $209K with no bonus deferral.
Chairmen of boards are not at the office all day and they would very likely sit on quite a few other company boards.
The directors fees are around $100K each.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/cont
the demand is there for GB services
But, but, but, they don't NEED 1Gbps...
Despite the huge efficiencies to be gained from 1Gbps services, according to the LNP, we don't need such a service.
Genetic Modified Zealot writes...
Hmm. If you take a close look at the remuneration section Ziggy is on a base salary of $209K with no bonus deferral.
but what are his benchmarks for his bonus?or does he get his bonus no matter what?if so that means his "bonus" is really salary and should be included in the base figure.
More "fudging" of the figures by declaring Board and execs only get paid bonuses on meeting targets, trying to show a reduced "wages" figure when they are paying those bonuses anyway?
Chairman get "sacked" all the time, it never seems to hold them back from moving on to other Chairmanships, they just seem to put it down to differences with other board members or shareholder"
Chairmanships and board membership in Australia is such a small clique that most seem to protect their own and round and round they go, collecting ever increasing fees everytime they pass go
seems the Board are paid NO Bonuses
if Labor win, they should "performance manage" him out.
Personally, I'd transfer him to the new Fukushima branch office.
Personally, I'd transfer him to the new Fukushima branch office.
Fresh opportunities in Fallujah to I believe.
but what are his benchmarks for his bonus?
or does he get his bonus no matter what?
if so that means his "bonus" is really salary and should be included in the base figure.
Please please read my original post or look up the annual report. there are no bonuses in his pay and this is shown in the remuneration report. There is a separate column there to show bonuses and Ziggy has no bonus or deferred bonus.
You need to spend more time reading the annual report rather than make up conspiracy theories on bonuses
More "fudging" of the figures by declaring Board and execs only get paid bonuses on meeting targets, trying to show a reduced "wages" figure when they are paying those bonuses anyway?
Fudging on the bonus. The annual report is signed off by auditors.
In the Rem report there are no deferred bonuses for the directors.
Chairmanships and board membership in Australia is such a small clique that most seem to protect their own and round and round they go, collecting ever increasing fees everytime they pass go
Please no need to get into envy. Many of these directors have worked hard to get where they are via university and long hours.
Personally, I'd transfer him to the new Fukushima branch office.
We could of had glow in the dark copper lines. :0>
Genetic Modified Zealot writes...
Please please read my original post or look up the annual report. there are no bonuses in his pay and this is shown in the remuneration report. There is a separate column there to show bonuses and Ziggy has no bonus or deferred bonus.
On this point Raoul is correct going by the annual reports. The non executive directors do not get bonuses.
actually we need the capacity of 10 gb in the home, when looking at a streaming tv medium we would require 1gb or more as a basic service requirement..
anything that is requiring a copper as a external requirement from the premises will not have the required service speed needed today or into the future..
And trying to keep copper monopoly in charge where it has been proven they can't even keep..
Genetic Modified Zealot writes...
The annual report is signed off by auditors.
That certainly makes it beyond reproach, doesn't it...
I see Formula 1 is working on VR broadcasts now. Again we dont have the speeds to even consume it let alone develop our own apps for it. Because our network cant provide the speeds.
http://www.jamesallen
Tata comms who handle all of FOMS data says we'll need atleast 480mbps. The MTM is'nt even close to reaching those speeds. Oh and we'll need those speeds by 2018 =D Just more evidence against the FTTN and HFC.
"needs four times the normal bandwidth of full HD, in other words 480mbps, for the technically minded. Broadcasters want to keep compression to a minimum, so fibre is clearly the answer
http://www.jamesallen
And we have a minister for innovation claiming no one makes money from movies, video games and highspeed broadband. It's why the most countries are now looking at gigabyte speeds.
actually we need the capacity of 10 gb in the home, when looking at a streaming tv medium we would require 1gb or more as a basic service requirement..
At 10gbps you could probably do away with streaming services and go back to downloading whole shows again. That would make it a utility like water. You switch it on for a download for 30 seconds or so, then off again.
Morrow preaching his BS at Comms Summit
Morrow preaching his BS at Comms Summit
Can he do that during caretaker period?
Genetic Modified Zealot writes...
There is a separate column there to show bonuses and Ziggy has no bonus or deferred bonus.
For Ziggy the bonus is anyone would pay him at all, I'd suggest. I'd certainly like to see some value for money rather than lies and political favour.
the demand is there for GB services and seems the business case is also there, because they are overbuilding BT
Doesn't this look familar? BT and Telstra, refusing to build 1gbps+ networks.
15mbps is all we need under the CON-alition by 2020. They need to get a grip.
Forget 1gbps service. I was listening to a story on ABC radio on sunday arvo about a city in the us, I think it was kansas or something, I don't recall, but anyway, one of the ISP companies there were installing wait for it,,,,,, 10gbps services.
Yep... That's right, 10...
Have you actually read those corporate plans? They show clear forecasts for Premises Activated out to FY18.
Yes I have, and no they dont. The 2016 Corporate Plan does. The amusingly named 2014-2017 Corporate Plan makes no forecasts of any kind beyond FY2015, with two exceptions. On Page 49 there is a reference to Financial Assumptions from the Strategic Review, and on Page 51 there are some funding assumptions from the same Strategic Review. How relevant could these be in the absence of any assumptions on building the network?
I am sure they have better things to do than provide specifics just to your liking.
I take issue with the constant references about meeting all their targets for the past x quarters, when those targets are not publicly known/disclosed. As far as I am aware they are not.
they expect to meet or exceed all the targets for the year. As end of year is only one month away I would be surprised if they got that wrong.
Well this is the first time there have been publicly stated premises passed targets for FttN (500k). There is no way to tell from the weekly progress report what the actual FttP / FttN/B mix is. Given there were ~220k premises in the 'node construction trials' which began in July 2014, that leaves another ~280 FttN premises to be passed in FY16.
Morrow had this to say to the senate committee on 09/02/16 regarding targets.
Every one of those targets has been met on the aggregate basis of the rollout which we are measured by and continue to accelerate. If I choose, which is my prerogative, to say I am going to push one more other technology type within rather than another, I use that as discretion to make sure I optimise the rollout. Although it may be the intent that we start with 250,000 of FTTN at this point in time, as we work within the year, if we deem and I approve that it is more optimal to replace that technology with something else, we shall do so.
Basically he is saying forget about individual technology targets. He is only prepared to be judged on the aggregate figure.
The leaked documents point to potential issues with the FttN rollout. If there are issues with the FttN rollout it makes the targets for the following year (1.535 million FttN as well as 875k HFC) questionable.
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