Thứ Sáu, 7 tháng 10, 2016

Ocean Reef HFC part 1

  • 2016-Mar-15, 11:14 am
    Rustyone
    O.P.

    I have been told that Ocean Reef has HFC which has been bought about with downgrade of some NBN services which Mr Turnball has bought about to cut costs of the NBN.

    I cannot find any any reference to HFC being installed in the Ocean Reef area on the NBN internet site or on MyNBN.com.

    Also I have seen workers installing blue cable around Hamersley, I wonder if this might be the NBN HFC and again no reference on the NBN internet site to the installation of HFC.

    Can anybody shed any light on this please.

  • 2016-Mar-15, 11:14 am
    Xenocaust

    The three year construction roll out has 19,300 premises down for HFC in

    {Beldon, Craigie, Heathridge, Hillarys, Kallaroo, Mullaloo, Ocean Reef, Padbury}

    Expected build date is H1-2017, expected RFS is H2-2017

    This is all subject to change.

  • 2016-Mar-15, 11:28 am
    FibreFuture

    Rustyone writes...

    Can anybody shed any light on this please.

    I don't have much Experience with HFC as I'm in a region that never had HFC rolled out but from the time I have spent at some places with HFC i'll do my best to answer your question.

    Also I have seen workers installing blue cable around Hamersley, I wonder if this might be the NBN HFC

    I think HFC cable is black and is ran on power poles if it's Optus. Telstra runs their HFC through the underground ducts. From what i've read so far, i've only seen lead ins being installed with premises that have optus HFC. But users can't order services with them on the NBN, I just think they are testing things.

    The blue cable you saw? Likely private fibre for a business, school, 3 or 4g mobile tower etc. Could even be backhaul cable.

  • 2016-Mar-15, 11:28 am
    HEKTIK

    Parts of Ocean Reef NBN HFC will be live very soon. Watch this space.

  • foldking86

    Telstra use blue Fibre for reasons I don't know.

    Could be mobile tower or private estate.

  • Rustyone
    O.P.

    HEKTIK writes...

    Parts of Ocean Reef NBN HFC will be live very soon. Watch this space.

    Ocean Reef is live now. Came on board last week.

    Nothing on the NBN online plans or maps.

  • PeteP

    HEKTIK writes...

    Parts of Ocean Reef NBN HFC will be live very soon. Watch this space

    Indeed:
    http://www.finder.com.au/nbn-tracker/rollout/6JDL-60
    http://www.finder.com.au/nbn-tracker/rollout/6JDL-62

    So can somebody from the area report on what exactly is happening since your area in is "Build" (even on the NBN rollout maps)? I am curious to know what the "Build" process is for NBN HFC. Are they installing new optical nodes? Running more (green) fibre to existing nodes? Or are they just running lead-ins to premises?

    And to add to the mystery according to:
    https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/nbn/Documents/rollout-list.pdf

    From page 21:
    6JDL-60 JOONDALUP WA 04-Jul-2016
    6JDL-62 OCEAN REEF WA 14-Jul-2016
    which means you will be able to get NBN HFC from mid-July this year!
    If so something should definitely be happening on the ground by now.

  • Minimum Chips

    PeteP writes...

    I am curious to know what the "Build" process is for NBN HFC. Are they installing new optical nodes? Running more (green) fibre to existing nodes? Or are they just running lead-ins to premises?

    I'm in the 6JDL-60 SAM and have seen Telstra vans installing HFC to houses that were missed in the initial rollout. In my street the Coax stops abruptly part way up the street which meant ADSL (at 5 Mbit/s) for you. Good to see the coax being extended as the FTTN alternative wouldn't likely be much chop.

  • 2016-Mar-17, 3:25 am
    JimL451

    PeteP writes...

    So can somebody from the area report on what exactly is happening since your area in is "Build" (even on the NBN rollout maps)? I am curious to know what the "Build" process is for NBN HFC.

    Seems to be quite a lot of new pits installed in the north part of Ocean Reef, including at the 'nodes'. Also some new fibre being run. Not sure about any new lead-ins though.

  • 2016-Mar-17, 3:25 am
    Prizm

    PeteP writes...

    https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/nbn/Documents/rollout-list.pdf

    From page 21:
    6JDL-60 JOONDALUP WA 04-Jul-2016
    6JDL-62 OCEAN REEF WA 14-Jul-2016
    which means you will be able to get NBN HFC from mid-July this year!

    Haha, magically that document no longer contains any references to Joondalup or Ocean Reef. I cannot believe how the hub of Joondalup continually gets screwed when it comes to the NBN.

  • 2016-Mar-17, 10:42 am
    HEKTIK
    this post was edited

    It's a pilot site so nothing will be concrete but I can say the lights are on! Majority of the work is Leadin and network extensions of the existing HFC. all the backbone NBN fibre is in plac and ready to go.

  • 2016-Mar-17, 10:42 am
    PeteP

    Prizm writes...

    Haha, magically that document no longer contains any references to Joondalup or Ocean Reef.

    Yes it does:
    6JDL-60 JOONDALUP WA 26-Aug-2016
    6JDL-62 OCEAN REEF WA 29-Jul-2016

    You need to look on sheet 2 of the XLS "Expected RFS"

  • 2016-Apr-20, 8:56 pm
    Prizm
    this post was edited

    PeteP writes...

    You need to look on sheet 2 of the XLS "Expected RFS"

    You must be looking at a different document. The doc posted was a PDF, not XLS. And now only has 17 pages, not the 21 pages quoted by the original poster.

  • 2016-Apr-20, 8:56 pm
    Buddha3211

    Prizm writes...

    You must be looking at a different document. The doc posted was a PDF, not XLS. And now only has 17 pages, not the 21 pages quoted by the original poster.

    The PDF document only contains "Actual RFS" dates, as in areas which are active. If you look at the XLS version of the rollout list on Telstra Wholesale there is another tab called "Expected RFS" where you will see Joondalup and Ocean Reef are still listed as quoted by PeteP.

    https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/nbn/Documents/rollout-list.xlsx

  • 2016-Apr-23, 7:21 pm
    HEKTIK

    This pilot has been live since Monday. Anyone lucky enough to get on the pilot program?

  • 2016-Apr-23, 7:21 pm
    PeteP

    HEKTIK writes...

    This pilot has been live since Monday. Anyone lucky enough to get on the pilot program?

    Specifically:
    http://www.itnews.com.au/news/iinet-starts-nbn-hfc-cable-trials-421285

    The NBN HFC trial by iiNet is small, comprising just eight homes in Redcliffe, Queensland, and 12 in Ocean Reef, Western Australia

    Any of you lucky 12 posters here on WP forum? Please let us know what you think since you will be the 12 which will decide whether Telstra HFC is fit for purpose for the remaining 3 million HFC customers and for which we, the taxpayers, will be paying to maintain all of Telstra's HFC for this purpose.

  • 2016-May-9, 12:10 am
    Swaynorm

    PeteP writes...

    Any of you lucky 12 posters here on WP forum? Please let us know what you think since you will be the 12 which will decide whether Telstra HFC is fit for purpose for the remaining 3 million HFC customers and for which we, the taxpayers, will be paying to maintain all of Telstra's HFC for this purpose.

    They were probably required to sign NDAs after being "selected".

  • 2016-May-9, 12:10 am
    Buddha3211

    Swaynorm writes...

    They were probably required to sign NDAs after being "selected".

    Either that or the network is so screwed they can't even log onto Whirlpool to whinge about it! :D

  • 2016-May-30, 9:23 pm
    Buddha3211

    So apparently this is due to go live today. Any news from Ocean Reef?

  • 2016-May-30, 9:23 pm
    PeteP

    http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/604199/nbn-brings-hfc-western-australia/

    Can those in Ocean Reef please, please let us all know how NBN HFC over Telstra cable works for the rest of us in WA (and the rest of Australia)? The Redcliffe HFC thread has not been every useful with only one poster actually reporting the speedtest on a working service after a whole month it went live.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 3:04 pm
    trickynick

    I'm in Alexander Heights which is off the Girraween exchange. It's also listed to get HFC in 2017.

    Is the HFC NBN network using the copper phone lines? I'm on a RIM which is connected to the exchange via fibre. How does this impact the change over to HFC? Will it be easier/quicker?

  • 2016-Sep-7, 3:04 pm
    AmosKito

    trickynick writes...

    Is the HFC NBN network using the copper phone lines?

    no it uses pre-installed coax cable from cable TV.

    I have no idea what they are doing in the areas without this cable though.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 4:02 pm
    trickynick
    this post was edited

    AmosKito writes...

    no it uses pre-installed coax cable from cable TV.

    I have no idea what they are doing in the areas without this cable though.

    If they are actually going to lay coaxial cable then that is really strange. Why not just lay fibre?

    Maybe the rollout info is wrong. There is existing Telstra HFC in Ballajura which is nearby, and in the same region as my suburb on this site http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/three-year-construction-plan.html. My folks had a 33Mbit connection on Telstra HFC 10 years ago.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 4:02 pm
    Gerard23

    So has anybody from Ocean reef activated there service and if so what speeds are you getting on the upgraded HFC? just interested.

  • trickynick

    Gerard23 writes...

    So has anybody from Ocean reef activated there service and if so what speeds are you getting on the upgraded HFC? just interested.

    User a few pages back claims he's getting fluctuating speeds maxing out at around 90MB/s. Only 2 posts by that user so not sure how legit.

  • lordsnipe

    AmosKito writes...

    I have no idea what they are doing in the areas without this cable though.

    I'd say FTTN.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 6:40 pm
    The Broadband Doctor

    trickynick writes...

    If they are actually going to lay coaxial cable then that is really strange. Why not just lay fibre?

    They're not. They are using the existing Telstra HFC network.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 6:40 pm
    jontyb

    The Broadband Doctor writes...

    They're not. They are using the existing Telstra HFC network.

    Yes, but they are having to lay a lot of new coax to houses that don't have an existing lead in. This is a small cost though compared to the cost of running fibre.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 6:51 pm
    dm1432

    I'm on Telstra cable have been for years, got a letter asking if I want to sign up to Telstra NBN HFC pilot to help them test it. Says I can stay on my existing plan worried if I do sign up I will loose my speed boost which I have had since 2012 and move across to fluctuating speeds. Oh they did offer a $300 credit ...Anyone else signed up? not sure if avoid it until I have to migrate over.

  • 2016-Sep-7, 6:51 pm
    The Broadband Doctor

    jontyb writes...

    Yes, but they are having to lay a lot of new coax to houses that don't have an existing lead in.

    Lead-ins there are pretty easy as this was a greenfields HFC area so the lead-in pipes are already P20.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 11:13 am
    PhillyS

    Any on on here with Telstra on the cable network? I am looking at changing over from Optus where I am getting speeds of around 3mbps, but would like to know first what speeds I would be getting from Telstra.

    I am in Heathridge, currenlty paying $60 a month for Optus with Unlimited downloads. Telstra are offering 500GB for $90 a month but can not tell me waht kind of speeds I would get in my area, was hoping someone could tell me if it's going to be worth changing over or not??

  • 2016-Sep-8, 11:13 am
    HEKTIK

    You will be on adsl with optus not cable. You will get 32Mb/s all day and night on telstra HFC without a speed boost! We had simialr speeds on Amnet adsl in the area and now on hfc telstra.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 8:03 pm
    PhillyS

    Really? that much difference?? I spoke to a Telstra rep and they said upto 30MBPS Lows of Upto 9MBPS. Which does not quite make sense as they did not quite want to commit to anything.

    Can anyone tell me, if I wanted to stream 3 videos in 3 different rooms all in HD, what kind of download speeds would I need for their not to be any buffering? I am not saying that we will be streaming 3 different things all of the time, but this is worse case scenario.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 8:03 pm
    HEKTIK

    Ive never seen a hfc connection running under the minimum speed. Fastest ive seen is 148MB/s. Heathridge is good tho dont get any congestion at this point in time. And had the connectionnfor over 2 years now. Had 1 faults in that time where we lost both fox and internet, but was restored within days and it was a network issue.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 9:04 pm
    trickynick

    PhillyS writes...

    Can anyone tell me, if I wanted to stream 3 videos in 3 different rooms all in HD, what kind of download speeds would I need for their not to be any buffering?

    Netflix 1080p is around 3GB/hour depending on a few factors.

    This would mean 3000/60/60 = 0.8333MB/s per stream.

    so 2.5MB/s or roughly a 25Mbit connection.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 9:04 pm
    dm1432

    Anyone on Ocean Reef exchange taking up the Telstra NBN HCF pilot? Not sure if I should stay with Telstra or opt for another provider.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 10:06 pm
    zk

    Hey dm1432

    I'm HFC off Bateman but would take them up if they offered it to me. As long as the plan looks reasonable that is. Telstra should have good capacity at all POIs.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 10:06 pm
    dm1432

    Anyone on Ocean Reef exchange taking up the Telstra NBN HCF pilot? Not sure if I should stay with Telstra or opt for another provider.

    zk writes...

    Hey dm1432

    I'm HFC off Bateman but would take them up if they offered it to me. As long as the plan looks reasonable that is. Telstra should have good capacity at all POIs.

    Thanks ZK, I'll give it ago, not often Telstra give you a $300 credit to try something.

  • 2016-Sep-8, 10:21 pm
    DTrain123

    PhillyS writes...

    Can anyone tell me, if I wanted to stream 3 videos in 3 different rooms all in HD, what kind of download speeds would I need for their not to be any buffering? I am not saying that we will be streaming 3 different things all of the time, but this is worse case scenario.

    These are some Netflix video bitrates I found on the internet:

    320x240 = 235 kbps
    384x288 = 375 kbps
    512x384 = 560 kbps
    512x384 = 750 kbps
    640x480 = 1050 kbps
    720x480 = 1750 kbps
    1280x720 = 2350 kbps
    1280x720 = 3000 kbps
    1920x1080 = 4300 kbps
    1920x1080 = 5800 kbps

    You need to add in another 100 kbps or so for the audio stream

    So for the higher quality 1080p it would be about: 5900 kbps * 3 = 17.7 Mbps

    But even if you don't have that speed, you woudn't get any bufferering. It just switches to a lower bitrate and keeps playing without any interruptions.

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