did anybody see construction in this suburbs today ?
Farrer, Greenway, Isaacs, Kambah, Mawson, O'malley, Oxley, Pearce, Torrens, Wanniassa beacuse it says : Fibre | Construction to commence within one year � we will commence construction from Jul 2013 in phases with last construction scheduled to commence in Sep 2014*. they must change it from blue to orage color when they will update the map ?
Don't want to be the barer of bad news, but it's unlikely they start on the proposed dates that they post on the map. The Lidcombe (NSW) area -01 said it commenced work Dec 2011, it is now Jul 2013 � and they only just finishing up.
the good thing that canberra is very small i dont know why they are not finishing as much they can and the big mistake of nbnco they started the rollout from the north and they must do it from north and south same time
1st of July and you're asking if there's NBNCo workers in the street already? You're keen � especially as even if they have, people won't be connecting until next year sometime!
Only 1 FSAM in the area is listed as scheduled for starting this month:
http://www.nbnco.com.a
What you are looking for is the FSA � 9KBA � to appear in the NBN Monthly Ready For Service plan. It wasn't listed in the June plan � http://www.nbnco.com.au/indus
the good thing that canberra is very small
You realise that Canberra is a city of over 800 sq km's. That's not a small area by any stretch.
You realise that Canberra is a city of over 800 sq km's.
Well, it's the smallest capital city in Australia by area, and it's the third most densely-populated capital city.
Secondly, it's nowhere near 800km^2 if you only count the residential areas � they are only 41% of total area. IE the parts that won't be getting NBN Fibre make up the majority of the city's area.
I thought that Canberra would be much later, it already has awesome broadband...
How many liberal members will be sneakily connecting? :-)
Secondly, it's nowhere near 800km^2 if you only count the residential areas � they are only 41% of total area. IE the parts that won't be getting NBN Fibre make up the majority of the city's area.
Well given it's rolling out to Forde and Banks and that's 40kms apart it's not hard to see how it IS 800 sq km. I'd also like to know where you got your population deinsity figure from.
Ignoring that it's still got to reach the outer suburbs of every area not just ignore the gaps in the middle which means they've got to roll out in every direction, ie just because there's a big piece of parkland or a lake somewhere there doesn't mean the service doesn't have to pass through that area.
I thought that Canberra would be much later, it already has awesome broadband...
According to who. I have no wireless options here, transact stops 200m from my street, I was stuck on dialup till 2005 and I am limited to 8mbit open adsl1 (which until mobs like Exetel/tpg came along, cost 200+ a month) and I live less than 8 minutes from the centre of Belconnen
According to who. I have no wireless options here, transact stops 200m from my street, I was stuck on dialup till 2005 and I am limited to 8mbit open adsl1 (which until mobs like Exetel/tpg came along, cost 200+ a month) and I live less than 8 minutes from the centre of Belconnen
So I guess that the market failed...
Somebody better tell Trumbull :-)
Oh, I do feel for you... By the way, you are welcome to move to Armidale for NBN...
We'd love to have you here...
Well given it's rolling out to Forde and Banks and that's 40kms apart it's not hard to see how it IS 800 sq km.
Yes � but for the NBN purposes it's clearly NOT 800km^2 because between those two 'burbs there's large tracts of land that are nature reserve, lakes or even rural land that won't be inside any of the FSAM boundaries.
I'd also like to know where you got your population deinsity figure from.
First 3 hits for google "ACT population density" � particularly the ACTPLA doc.
just because there's a big piece of parkland or a lake somewhere there doesn't mean the service doesn't have to pass through that area.
Fibre doesn't cover an "area" like wireless does. The individual fibres are laid to specific places. The lake / park doesn't get fibre to it!
The FSAs / FSAMs are centred in populous areas. Each FSAM covers only a few square kilometres � it has to be because GPON has a max length of ~3km. Spend a couple of minutes looking at the build maps for the in-progress FSAM boundaries. EG, 9CVI doesn't include Lake BG, nor Mt Ainslie/Majura/Black Mountain/etc Nature Parks. Even the shading on the rollout map gives you a good idea of how much of the territory is/isn't getting it.
You will see that when (if) all the ACT FSAMs are finished, there will be quite a lot of the ACT not inside an FSAM boundary.
I thought that Canberra would be much later, it already has awesome broadband...
Two or three recent suburbs have good TransACT FTTH (no telstra copper at all) � this has just been sold to NBNco.
A dozen or so suburbs have access to the TransACT VDSL based FTTN network giving speeds comparable to a decent ADSL2 connection, at a higher cost.
Most of Gungahlin had extremely limited access to ADSL2, if at all. Many have had to rely on 3G services, hence why it is having the highest take up of the NBN in the country as it rolls out.
The rest of Canberra is the same ADSL2 service as anywhere else. Good if you are close to an exchange, poor if you are not, and many complain of drop outs during wet weather.
A dozen or so suburbs have access to the TransACT VDSL based FTTN network giving speeds comparable to a decent ADSL2 connection, at a higher cost.
Actually, it's a lot more than a dozen suburbs � more like 2/3 of the ACT. Unfortunately, the fastest VDSL plan 8M/450kbit (residential) is well below the ADSL2+ average of 12/1 and nowhere near the max of 27mbit. (Yes, it's possible � see the ADSL2 wiki.)
Fortunately, VDSL2 is coming to the whole network .. but so's Christmas. Only a tiny portion of the network has been upgraded to VDSL2 so far.
You will see that when (if) all the ACT FSAMs are finished, there will be quite a lot of the ACT not inside an FSAM boundary.
Yeah I'm hearing you, sounds like you're right too. I just figured since the extremities of canberra are quite far apart that they've still got to run links between the hubs (yeah I know that's not the FSA/FSAM terminology but I'm still picking those terms up) and that in my mind to a degree equates to overall coverage, coupled with the fact that most of the parks/lakes all seem to have housing on the edges around Canberra I figured the overall coverage would have been a lot closer to 100% than the figure it's actually going to be (maybe what a 1/3 ?)
By the way, you are welcome to move to Armidale for NBN...
We'd love to have you here...
Why,what have you heard about me ?
I've got family in Townsville so I'd more than likely end up there first if I was chasing NBN.
What's also laughable is there is active NBN service less than 1km from my house too in a newish estate
Actually, it's a lot more than a dozen suburbs � more like 2/3 of the ACT.
The phase 1 network (FTTN VDSL1/2) is nowhere near 2/3rds of the ACT.
TransACT's reach is only that high when you include phase 2 which is just regular ADSL2.
The phase 1 network (FTTN VDSL1/2) is nowhere near 2/3rds of the ACT.
Are you nitpicking and claiming 2/3 the area � rather than 2/3 the residences?
There's a map floating around which shows TransACT's nfrastructure, which I'll link to when I find it again. IIRC, it shows Phase 1 coverage as:
Inner North: ~all (.. there's your dozen suburbs already.)
Belco: most
Gungahlin: none
Inner South inc Fyshwick: ~all
Woden: ~all
Tuggers: ~half
.. which would equate to 2/3 of the town. It's not hard to verify � spend a few minutes plugging random addresses into TransACT's coverage checker, you'll see that's about right.
(Or feel free to URL us with something that shows a lot less than 2/3..)
TransACT's reach is only that high when you include phase 2 which is just regular ADSL2.
It's almost 100% when you include Phase 2: /forum-replies.cfm?t=2118936&ux=533290 (and FTTH, to be accurate.)
Are you nitpicking and claiming 2/3 the area � rather than 2/3 the residences?
No I'm not.
I can't find an actual map of the VDSL network, but from memory when they did have an easy to see listing of the network years ago when I was interested in it, it covered half or less of ACT residences.
Even in suburbs where it can be found, coverage isn't to the full suburb.
I've plugged in random addresses around Woden where you claim near 100% coverage � Curtin: No, Isaacs: No, Chifley: yes, Pearce: Yes, Mawson: Yes, O'Malley: No, Farrer: yes, Garran: yes
It is widespread, but no where near 100%.
Even taking your numbers, that doesn't even add up to 2/3rds.
From my memory of the electoral boundaries
Belconnen + Gungahlin = about 1/3rd
Tuggeranong = a little under 1/3rd
Inner North, South, Woden + Weston = a little over 1/3rd
So assume Belconnen has half coverage, that gives � x 1/3rd = 1/12th canberra
Half Tuggeranong = � x 1/3 = 1/6th canberra
Most (3/4ths) of the rest = � x 1/3 = �th of canberra
1/12 + 2/12 + 3/12 = 6/12, or about half, and I think that is over estimating it's reach.
And this isn't even considering that it probably won't be available in an apartment complex either, which makes up a lot of the inner south/north and town centres.
Here's what's recorded in Hansard about TransACT Phase 1: ~60000 premises passed in 2004, with nothing in Tuggeranong (although we know that Tuggeranong has a few thousand premises connected, and there's been VDSL2 rolled out to thousands of new MDU dwellings since) .. http://www.hansard.act.gov.au
So, that's around � of the 130-something-thousand premises in the ACT.
Curtin: No
Actually, Yes .. I just checked 3 Curtin streets at random (ryan st, james pl, cockburn st) and they all have vdsl. Looks like Isaacs and O'Malley are the only suburbs in the region that don't have it, whilst the other 10 do.
And this isn't even considering that it probably won't be available in an apartment complex either
That's not true, and I'm not sure what gave you that impression. If an apartment can get ADSL and there's VDSL in the street then the apartment can get VDSL. Put some apartments into the availability checker. Like I said above; a number of apartments built since 2009 have even had VDSL2 installed in the basement.
(Don't bother with Axis Apartments though � Netspeed connected them with VDSL2, and judging from the complaints it sounds like they didn't provision enough backhaul!)
Most (3/4ths) of the rest
Again, those suburbs are closer to 100% coverage than �.
1/12 + 2/12 + 3/12 = 6/12, or about half
I'm happy to concede it's around 50% if you'll admit that 50% isn't "nowhere near" 66%!
Why transact did vdsl just in north canberra?
Why transact did vdsl just in north canberra?
I like how you completely ignored the last half-dozen posts!
Look in south canberra i feel that no body wants latest technology the highest speed is 4.5 mbps and i want 100 im dreaming i want that its shame of this country that no fiber yet especially in canberra ill pay what they want just give us fttp soon
They said in caolition plan you must pay 2500 to convert from fttn to fttp i dont care ill pay beacuse i want this speed amd ill nit stay all my life on 4.5 mbps
They said in caolition plan you must pay 2500 to convert from fttn to fttp i dont care ill pay beacuse i want this speed amd ill nit stay all my life on 4.5 mbps
Perhaps. The policy says "it may be available", and then recently Mal said that when they say that it may be, they mean that some government could do it in the future � not them. But then he's back to 'if you want fibre, pay for it'.
So zero guarantee that this will actually be available at all under the LNP � more likely it will be FTTN only. And if fibre on demand is available, without the economy of scale, it's hard to imagine that it would cost less than $5000.
Either that, or they will say the economy is too bad and just scrap the project altogether. So prospects aren't good if the Coalition get in...
i heard malcom turbull on the radio he said just 2000 to convert from fttn to fttp
i heard malcom turbull on the radio he said just 2000 to convert from fttn to fttp
He did say that, but he's flip-flopped between several different stances on the issue, and named several different prices. Since his plan is uncosted and not designed, he's essentially making up the numbers.
It's more likely that it won't be available (in an interview a few weeks ago he pretty much said they wouldn't and when he says they will, he actually means they won't, and someone else can in the future � ridiculous, huh?). And, of course, there's no guarantee even that they will continue the rollout of the NBN (their position for a long time was 'scrap the NBN' � they've backfliped and changed their tune so many times you can't trust what they're saying).
im sure kevin rudd will be PM after september election beacuse when i ask any aussie here in australia he say i want kevin rudd and i hate tony abbot so im sure liberal will lose it and labor will win for me i will wait and im not far from nbn beacuse they will commence it in may 2014 but i want ftth not fttn so i wish labor win not liberal beacuse if malcom turbull always talking about money why he dont look to america and how google fiber is very expensive and they want for all americans so why we dont do like them and get latest technology !!!!! australia is a rich country and thats the fact
That's not true, and I'm not sure what gave you that impression. If an apartment can get ADSL and there's VDSL in the street then the apartment can get VDSL.
The Phase 1 network uses completely separate wiring to the legacy POTS network.
If you can get ADSL at your apartment on the POTS network, then that is completely irrelevant to whether you can be wired onto the TransACT phase 1 VDSL/VDSL2 network.
Here's what's recorded in Hansard about TransACT Phase 1: ~60000 premises passed in 2004, with nothing in Tuggeranong (although we know that Tuggeranong has a few thousand premises connected, and there's been VDSL2 rolled out to thousands of new MDU dwellings since) .. http://www.hansard.act.gov.au
So, that's around � of the 130-something-thousand premises in the ACT.
TransACT stopped expanding the Phase 1 network after that point and focused on using the POTS network to do via normal ADSL tails.
I believe that they are also using the same "passed" definition that NBNco is using. It might be on your street, but is unconnectable because they don't want to or can't deal with an MDU but still count it as passed.
So, less than 60,000 premises are connectable, out of 145,229 households (2011 census), or 41% of Canberra at best.
Assume 10% of dwellings are unconnectable within that passed footprint (looking at Curtin on allhomes, they have 11.8% flats, so 10% seems reasonable), and you drop down to just 37%.
41% and more realistically 37% are nowhere near 2/3rds.
I may have exaggerated when I said a dozen suburbs, but Phase 1 coverage is extremely patchy and not most of Canberra by any definition.
TransACT stopped expanding the Phase 1 network after that point
No, they didn't. You're selectively ignoring several facts: New MDUs have had VDSL2 installed since.
I believe that they are also using the same "passed" definition that NBNco is using. It might be on your street, but is unconnectable because they don't want to or can't deal with an MDU but still count it as passed.
And I believe you're making stuff up. TransACT connect to MDUs � just like ADSL, unless you've got VDSL2 (FTTB.)
And I believe you're making stuff up. TransACT connect to MDUs � just like ADSL, unless you've got VDSL2 (FTTB.)
This statement doesn't even make sense.
The TransACT phase 1 network is a VDSL based fibre to the node design utilising 100% separate wiring to the telstra copper network (POTS)
There is no link at all between the ability to get ADSL over the Telstra copper network and the ability to have a completely different <300m long copper wire run into your premises that is part of the TransACT phase 1 VDSL based network.
The only way TransACT are connecting via existing MDUs, is by using a standard ADSL tail over the Telstra network, unless the body corporate agreed to rewire the complex at their cost to join it to the TransACT phase 1 network.
If they didn't, you won't be able to join the TransACT Phase 1 VDSL network even if it runs down the street.
The point is that while "TransACT" may service near 100% of Canberra, it is a complete lottery if your residence can connect to the Phase 1 VDSL network, if that part of the network has gotten a VDSL2 upgrade, or if you are on a Telstra ADSL tail, or if you are in a greenfield fibre to the premises part of their network.
Bring on the NBN.
Farrer, Greenway, Isaacs, Kambah, Mawson, O'malley, Oxley, Pearce, Torrens, Wanniassa
What gets me is that the ACT rollout starts with new contruction areas (OK with me) then moves to those areas with existing VDSL.
Living in Tuggeranong where Transact ceased VDSL around anything South/East/West of Monash and being linked to Monash exchange we are on ADSL. Best I get is about 4mbs (jittery DC).
I thought the best way to get faster connections in Canberra (easy money) would have been to target those areas NOT on VDSL.
/whinge over
The only way TransACT are connecting via existing MDUs, is by using a standard ADSL tail over the Telstra network, unless the body corporate agreed to rewire the complex at their cost to join it to the TransACT phase 1 network.
There are some MDUs within the Phase 1 footprint that haven't been given VDSL and are instead reliant on ADSL, it's true. However, there are lots with VDSL:
If there's an MDF, then TransACT can and do run tails to it (just like for Telstra do to provide the MDU with ADSL) or install their own DSLAM at it. If no MDF (EG townhouses rather than apartments), then "rewire the whole complex at the body corporate's cost" isn't what's required to get a line into an individual dwelling.
I live in Watson in North Canberra and we still have totally broken ADSL1 and I'm in a modern (only 8 years old) townhouse complex.
Canberra's North has never had good internet! There are a whole cluster of suburbs with very poor and/or broken/overloaded RIM connections.
NBNCo is coming, but still not active as we are in the too hard basket still.
I thought that Canberra would be much later, it already has awesome broadband
Really? A large part of Canberra has telephone services provided by RIM's and as such have poor choice in ADSL services. So hardly awesome.
Not surprisingly the first areas in Canberra to get NBN is Gungahlin which is home to a large number of RIM serviced areas.
why they dont start the rollout from south canberra and north in the same time ? and they finish it in the middle like city and woden ? why south canberra is the latest rollout ?
why they dont start the rollout from south canberra and north in the same time ? and they finish it in the middle like city and woden ? why south canberra is the latest rollout ?
Gungahlin as an area has traditionally had the worst Internet. It deserved the rollout first in the Canberra region. I think that rolling out in the city is a good idea as there will be good commercial and productivity gains. I'm in the Belconnen region on the 'Scullin rollout' and will just have to wait my turn for the NBN. We couldn't all be first.
I would support a quicker rollout of the NBN to all but the offset to that would be higher cost to the NBN project and it is questionable as to whether the resources are available such as the teams required to plan rollouts and the contractors to lay cables and install equipment in houses.
Good things come to those who wait!
Jav
err excuse me, I would like a service that doesn't drop out because it is raining. or there are birds on the wire. I want latest technology!!!
err excuse me, I would like a service that doesn't drop out because it is raining. or there are birds on the wire. I want latest technology!!!
So do I. So we're in total agreement.
Jav
hey guys i saw alot of digging the ground in greenway suburb in tuggeranong ! did they start rollout in tuggeranong and i saw that machine to dig the ground for cables too
digging the ground in greenway suburb in tuggeranong ! did they start rollout in tuggeranong and i saw that machine to dig the ground for cables too
Are you sure it was for NBN? Did you see any trucks with big rolls of cable there? Pix would be nice.
Cheers
i saw three sites on in front of bunnings and one close to hyperdom same machine mate i dont know if its nbn broadband but man i saw they are digging to insert inside very long plastic pipe
i saw before that tuggeranong valley rollout will start from may 2014
Pretty sure it was "3 years" � but either way, now that the Libs are in you're not getting FTTH until either the next decade or maybe there's a change of Federal Government. You won't get FTTN this year, either.
who told you not maclom turbull said that nbnco will complete fttp
More sightings of green fibre going into the ground in Morton st Queanbeyan today.
who told you not maclom turbull said that nbnco will complete fttp
Tuggeranong FTTH hasn't been started so it can't be completed.
If you mean who said that FTTH rollouts not already commenced are getting FTTN instead, the Liberals said that.
More sightings of green fibre going into the ground in Morton st Queanbeyan today.
Plus what looks like remediation works as well here ....
Fingers crossed that there may still be "light" .... hehe .... at the end of the tunnel.
Cheers:)
Noticed that they are running some new telecomunications conduit down Drake Brockman Drive in Higgins. You can see where the conduit has started out the front of the Scullin telephone exchange, they have then run the conduit up a slight embankment next to Kingsford Smith Drive and are at present boring under the road on the southside of the intersection of Kingsford Smith Drive and Drake Brockman.
Now this has nothing to do with the Macgregor green fields installation as the main conduit for that went in ages ago, there is also nothing except houses down that way, so won't be ICON or an inter exchange conduit, so leaves NBN as the logical suspect. Prior to the change of government, the west Belconnen area was on the list to be done Q1/2 2014 so who knows.
PS looks like the mob who ran the conduit to Dunlop before Christmas.
Agreed. If you look at the NBN weekly reports, since 1 December 2013 NBNCo has "passed" -24 premises in the ACT. In other words, there is no to-customer rollout work being conducted in the ACT.
There _might_ be backbone work happening, but they don't report on that, and it wont help you get fibre to your house.
There _might_ be backbone work happening, but they don't report on that, and it wont help you get fibre to your house
Five points.
1. Before you can get fibre to the house you need trunk conduits. Though yes same could also be true for fibre to the node but we all know that isn't rolling at present.
2. Premiss passed if I am not mistaken means passed and ready to be connected for service. As mentioned West Belconnen was originally listed as starting Q3/Q4 2013 with roll-out to occur thru to Q2 2014. Noting the NBN definition of start at the time included planning, contract signing, with roll-out as quite clearly as the very last step. It seems now you only get on the map when fibre is being pulled.
3. Whilst backbone is obviously needed, Scullin exchange is already connected to the NBN, as it has the Macgregor greenfield areas on it. So don't see why it would need more. Also remember that NBN planned to lease dark fibre from Telstra for the most part, the only 'back bone' it seems they are pulling in the region themselves is between the Civic and QBN POI's.
4. As mentioned the conduit is heading down Drake Brockman Drive. The only thing that way are the suburbs of Higgins and Holt (who, along with other West Belconnen areas were planned for work to be done thru Q1/Q2 2014). There is also an existing mobile tower right nearby where they were burrowing under the road, so may be that, though have not seen any development applications and it would make no sense for an existing tower site to need new conduits.
5. Whilst you may be 100% right that it isn't NBN, or NBN fibre to the house, this is now two sets of what appears to be trunk conduits that I have seen in the West Belconnen area that have no other logical explanation. Refer to point 1.
Now question to those in the know. In other areas has the contract for the supply of new conduits (if required) been separate from the contract to actually pull fibre?
So, another week of numbers, and another drop in the number of houses passed in the ACT. There are 12 less premises passed than last week.
There is a NBNCo truck at the intersection of Canberra av. and Newcastle st. working on some green cables right now.
is canberra avenue in fyshwick?
is canberra avenue in fyshwick?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=interse
First hit: Maps.
It does.
No it doesn't when I looked either. And linking to a 'funny' Google screen where it is then typed out before you is being unhelpful and just being a smartarse and saying I'm better than you. That is not what Whirlpool is about. It is about putting your point of view and assisting others.
And how do you know what sort of device that they are using to access and communicate on Whirlpool. My Android phone is a small screen and is harder to use to access Whirlpool and see what is on screen. I'm using my PC to respond here on 24" screen and as I said before it doesn't show the name of the suburb on the map. I know from being a local that it is Fyshwick.
Jav
Would it be just a question of statistics? If the government is quoting the average for the area, then some will be a little higher, others a little lower.
But the statistics are wrong, few if any people are reporting higher, and many are reporting significantly lower.
It is entirely appropriate because that was what we were talking about � the difference between what speed test web sites say your speed is at layer 7 vs. line speed at layer 2.
But the speedtests do not refer to a "percentage overhead", nor does any discrepancy between their estimate of your line rate and your modem's sync rate readily translate to a "percentage overhead."
That and you missed the point of the statement: What is being calculated here is an approximate conversion ratio between what are effectively two different units of measurements (bitrate vs bytestream), and is not a percentage difference between two of the same unit.
But the statistics are wrong, few if any people are reporting higher, and many are reporting significantly lower.
That is certainly irritating if it's the case. I would have hoped the government were reporting the real world averages derived from the records of the RSPs or the infrastructure provider. It's a shame if they're just making it up.
So... Ziggy announced today during senate estimates that the cut over date for FTTN deployments would be 1 January 2015. So, if you don't have FTTP by the end of the year, you should expect it. Given the current rate of rollouts in the ACT (effectively zero), I guess that means we should all expect either Transact or FTTN.
Well given transact stopped it's rollout out 200m from my house and said they have zero plans to cover the area I'll just wait the 3-5 years for Telstra to get it's billions and 'unleash' something marginally faster on me.
So... Ziggy announced today during senate estimates that the cut over date for FTTN deployments would be 1 January 2015. So, if you don't have FTTP by the end of the year, you should expect it. Given the current rate of rollouts in the ACT (effectively zero), I guess that means we should all expect either Transact or FTTN.
For an effectivly zero rollout there has been lots of reports of green fibre going in around town. QBN, the airport and the city being recent examples. And just this morning I saw two trucks heading west on Gininderra drive at Florey with big drums of green fibre on board. Though I suspect they are going to the latest stage of Macgregor which is clearly greenfields.
For an effectivly zero rollout there has been lots of reports of green fibre going in around town. QBN, the airport and the city being recent examples. And just this morning I saw two trucks heading west on Gininderra drive at Florey with big drums of green fibre on board. Though I suspect they are going to the latest stage of Macgregor which is clearly greenfields.
None of the reported fibre being laid to me would seem to mean that it has to be for FttH. It could just as easily be for fibre to the node, unfortunately. I wouldn't hang your hat on the continue laying of fibre to mean that the FttH rollout is necessarily continuing.
Sorry for my glass half empty attitude.
Jav
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None of the reported fibre being laid to me would seem to mean that it has to be for FttH. It could just as easily be for fibre to the node, unfortunately. I wouldn't hang your hat on the continue laying of fibre to mean that the FttH rollout is necessarily continuing.
Sorry for my glass half empty attitude
All good except of course they are not rolling out FTTN as yet (except for a couple of trail sites)
None of the reported fibre being laid to me would seem to mean that it has to be for FttH. It could just as easily be for fibre to the node, unfortunately. I wouldn't hang your hat on the continue laying of fibre to mean that the FttH rollout is necessarily continuing.
That's what I've been trying to say all along. Regardless of what they use for your house they need to cable the FSAM. That's the green cable you're seeing. The weekly rollout stats from NBNCo say that basically no premises have been passed in the ACT since December 2013.
Sorry for my glass half empty attitude.
Its not a glass half empty attitude. Its a statement in a complete absence of any information.
Previously under labor, if you were a line on a spreadsheet you were said to be NBN capable giving a lot of false hope.
Now under the libs, unless everything is totally complete you don't show up at all.
So since the build is around a 2 year process, there is a huge gap of information which is freaking everyone out.
It is bleatingly obvious there needs to be a middle ground (mind you that could mean still a year to NBN services)
You could rest assured that no one at the moment has any idea about FttN at the moment, as was previously stated the trials haven't even started yet.
Hang in there :)
You could rest assured that no one at the moment has any idea about FttN at the moment, as was previously stated the trials haven't even started yet.
Ziggy went on the record at Senate estimates yesterday as saying that the FTTN trails weren't to prove that FTTN worked, but to work out how to handle the relationship with Telstra during installation. So, its a done deal that FTTN is happening and its all paperwork now.
Ziggy also said that there would be no new brownfields FTTP deployments after 1 January 2014. The only places getting FTTP from then on are greenfields sites.
Ziggy also said that there would be no new brownfields FTTP deployments after 1 January 2014
2014 or 2015? TYour own post above says 2015.
I think it is 2015. If on the NBN map you do not have a build commenced shading on your home by December this year, you will not get FTTP. More than likely FTTP from then on will be for Greenfields and some CBD's.
None of the reported fibre being laid to me would seem to mean that it has to be for FttH.
There are greenfields MDUs which will be getting FTTH that it could be being laid for. EG, Nishi, Manhattan apartments, etc.
Its not a glass half empty attitude. Its a statement in a complete absence of any information.
Yes touch� to Minister Turnbull � he's playing everyone nicely!
the statistics are wrong, few if any people are reporting higher, and many are reporting significantly lower.
The graphic here illustrates the problem well.
More cable laying seen down Mort Street today.
As much as I'd like to think Braddon/City will get NBN by May like the rollout map claims, I have a feeling some end users will be disappointed. There are only MDUs in the rollout area...
Interesting times ahead!
Massive fluro green NBN backbone getting laid along Antill St Watson/Hackett late last week.
It seems Braddon, City and Action (FAMs 9VI-03 and 9CVI-04) are being remediated by Telstra at the moment, with an expected end date in early May. http://www.mynbn.info/fsam/list/state/ACT
Very interesting on the DAs. Guess a lot more work is required for the older suburbs, hence the DAs.
It must be FTTP though, given those suburbs were already having detailed designs done.
Looks like the DA 201425573 covers 9CVI-04, 201425299 covers 9CVI-06 and 201425582 covers 9CVI-05. Wonder what happened to 9CVI-03? Makes me wonder if the DA listing under "Canberra Central" is supposed to be for 9CVI-03 but they accidentally duplicated DA 201425573?
Definitely good news for those in the inner north though.
It must be FTTP though
Agree, looking at the DA (Application) also makes it pretty clear "The following works in National Broadband Network Fibre Serving Area Module (FSAM) 9CVI-04....." The overall site plan is also a dead giveaway. (sheet 19)
Very interesting that NBNCO lists the work as costing $17.7m in the DA, not sure we have seen such granular cost estimates before.
Very interesting that NBNCO lists the work as costing $17.7m in the DA, not sure we have seen such granular cost estimates before.
Now that you've mentioned it, I think it's because they're obligated to by ACTPLA � since it's a standard field on the DA application. DA fees and charges have a component that is based on the cost of works. So I guess we'll only see NBN Co coughing up cost figures like that if a DA is required.
Looks like 9CVI-05 will cost ~$18.7m and 9CVI-06 ~$174k.
Tempted to contact ACTPLA about the duplicate listing of DA 201425573.
Very interesting on the DAs. Guess a lot more work is required for the older suburbs, hence the DAs.
Actually as some say the "Proposed works are exempt from DA approval however some works are in areas of environmental significance"
TransACT claim 130,000 premises passed by their FTTN network, and any acquisition by NBNCo of IINET TransACT network would change the rollout map for the ACT significantly overnight.
Agreed. NBNCo say there are 180,000 premises in the ACT, and 28,691 are already covered by FTTP. So... That would only leave 21,309 premises left to cover if NBNCo was serious about no overbuild.
There are certainly suburbs in Canberra which never got TransACT HFC or FTTN. I live in one for example.
Never seen NBN rollout sites appear on the ACT planning website before.
The rollout is basically east of Canberra centre in Braddon, Reid, Ainslie and Campbell, basically crossing over Limestone Ave.
This was a great find, well done. Any ideas where it was in the labor FTTP schedule?
There are certainly suburbs in Canberra which never got TransACT HFC or FTTN. I live in one for example
Mostly where there was no overhead power poles. So Dunlop and Gungahlin (doesn't matter now most has NBN). In Tuggeranong, with the exception of Monash they didn't do anything south or east of Erindale Drive, despite overhead power being used up until around when Calwell was being built.
So basically if NBN took over Transact VDSL2, NBN would only need to cover Dunlop, Nicholls and everything south of Erindale Drive, except Monash.
This was a great find, well done. Any ideas where it was in the labor FTTP schedule?
I beleive they were all sites that were scheduled to be done and had 'work started'. All they did after the election was only roll it out to the areas that had new build appartmentss.
Will be interesting to see if they start up Aranda, Macquarie and Belconnen (the suburb not the whole area), as these too had 'work started' and again were cut short after the election to some new appartments in Belconnen Town Centre.
Wondering if anyone knows the status of the rollout in the appartments at 28 Mort St in Braddon?
About six months ago contractors were in the building and have put fibre through to the *outside* of each appartment but haven't installed the NTDs *inside* the apartments.
NBNCo say it's 'in progress' and to contact the Body Corporate. The Body Corporate say they can't give any info and to contact NBNCo.
I beleive they were all sites that were scheduled to be done and had 'work started'. All they did after the election was only roll it out to the areas that had new build appartmentss.
Will be interesting to see if they start up Aranda, Macquarie and Belconnen (the suburb not the whole area), as these too had 'work started' and again were cut short after the election to some new appartments in Belconnen Town Centre.
Good point. Any other suburbs other than those three above that anyone recalls as having "work started" in the labour fttp schedule? Any archived s/s or other doco around? A lot of people would be interested methinks...
ood point. Any other suburbs other than those three above that anyone recalls as having "work started" in the labour fttp schedule? Any archived s/s or other doco around? A lot of people would be interested methinks...
Work had started on paper, or should I say advertised as started on Belconnen suburbs that were to be serviced by NBN gear in the Sculin exchange.
Though it wasn't physical work unlike what was seen around Macquaire, Belconnen and Aranda (which has one street finished thanks to a new development)
Mostly where there was no overhead power poles. So Dunlop
So basically if NBN took over Transact VDSL2, NBN would only need to cover Dunlop, Nicholls and everything south of Erindale Drive, except Monash.
And the west end of Holt (the golf course.)
And the west end of Holt (the golf course.)
And also parts of the new part of Macgregor too only the more northly section has NBN. So really there are going to be pockets like this all over the place, hence why I said "So basically if NBN took over ..."
So basically if NBN took over Transact VDSL2, NBN would only need to cover Dunlop, Nicholls and everything south of Erindale Drive, except Monash.
NBNCo has already been willing to buy Transact's fibre network, so I don't see it being a huge leap for them to purchase the already deployed FTTN network � especially as we get closer to the election and the embarrassment of how little has actually been done in the last three years.
TransACT claim 130,000 premises passed by their FTTN network, and any acquisition by NBNCo of IINET TransACT network would change the rollout map for the ACT significantly overnight.
There is only about 60,000 premises passed by TransACT's FTTN network, as recorded in hansard from back when TransACT was still owned by ActewAGL. The FTTN phase 1 network hasn't been expanded in a decade, only an in-place upgrade to VDSL2.
Around 1/3rd of households are connectable.
130k would include all households able to get any TransACT service, including normal ADSL.
Read the start of this thread.
And also parts of the new part of Macgregor too only the more northly section has NBN. So really there are going to be pockets like this all over the place, hence why I said "So basically if NBN took over ..."
Yeah true, however, new Macgregor was built in the window of labours NBN and got some fibre, the golf course estate was rolled out in 95-97 so it's a well established area.
No-one wants to play out there.
There is only about 60,000 premises passed by TransACT's FTTN network, as recorded in hansard from back when TransACT was still owned by ActewAGL. The FTTN phase 1 network hasn't been expanded in a decade, only an in-place upgrade to VDSL2.
60,000 premises is still double what NBNCo has managed in the ACT (including acquiring a bunch of FTTP customers from TransACT already). 60,000 is also a significant chunk of NBNCo's national achievements. So... I still think its likely there's an acquisition in the future.
A belief that rollout numbers can be improved in the ACT through acquisition would also explain why brownfields rollouts have basically stopped in the ACT since the election � they know they can make up for lost time in other ways.
I still don't understand why they're overbuiling TransACTs FTTN network though � that makes no sense in the context of current government policy.
Yeah true, however, new Macgregor was built in the window of labours NBN and got some fibre, the golf course estate was rolled out in 95-97 so it's a well established area.
No-one wants to play out there
Not quite. Part of new Macgregor has NBN, the other part was pre NBN. Draw a line along Hollows Circuit and Constance Stone St, anything south was pre NBN, everything north has NBN, more or less.
But the point is the same there are pockets like this everywhere, not just Holt and Macgregor but all over town. They are the exceptions, which depending upon how you look at it could be hard or east. Though in the case of new Macgregor, the gold course and Dunlop I would have though it easy to extend what has been installed in the newer part of new Macgregor and roll out NBN FTTH.
Indeed I have mentioned it here before, but 6-8 months ago a new conduit was installed from Dunlop just off Gininderra Drive into new Macgregor. Only reason I could think was to extend NBN, because it was well after NBN was installed in new Macgergor so wasn't needed to expand services there.
I still don't understand why they're overbuiling TransACTs FTTN network though � that makes no sense in the context of current government policy.
There hasn't been any overbuilding since the change of government. There has barely been any building.
Read the start of this thread.
I am stating their claim, and referenced their statement in the media.
I am not stating this as fact.
http://jxeeno.com/blog:nbn-the-first-node-arises
Compare to the carpark next to the walkin centre
rom one year i saw a private truck was laying blue fibre optic before tuggeranong bus interchange
Blue fibre NOT NBN
why they didnt give NBN fttp to isabella gardens at isabella plains suburb ! It was a new development last year
You have been told the answer to this before. Greenfields only get NBN when the development is over 100 premiss or where it is practical for NBN to provide it.
So a new development in Gungahlin or QBN less than 100 would probably get it, but an isolated small development in Isabella Plains where there is no surrounding NBN coverage, forget it, until such time as NBN does the brown fields in that area.
but all the developments happened in omelly and farrer just for two or one building
in farrer for mandir ashram infront of drevermann street
in omelly its just for two or 4 premises in akame circuit
in philip just for sorell apartment
so thats not true its for more than 100 premises
they dont wanna give isabella gardens in isabella plains beacuse most of 2905 are brownfield suburbs and they removed us from the map and on canberra times news they said they put it in limbo
but all the developments happened in omelly and farrer just for two or one building
in farrer for mandir ashram infront of drevermann street
in omelly its just for two or 4 premises in akame circuit
in philip just for sorell apartment
mandir ashram = 166 residences
Wilara Residential Development = 201 residences
Sorell Apartments = 132 residences
O'Malley = 90 apartments, that's <100 but close enough.
So as usual you are wrong. You can get these numbers from mynbn. Just be at peace with the fact that you will get FTTN sometime in the next 10 years, it's all you need to know.
Sorry guys for just butting in
but does anyone happen to know when FTTN is coming to the Woden suburb of Garran ?
If it on a map or plan somewhere, then I'm happy to go look, I just need the link.
cheers
Sorry guys for just butting in
but does anyone happen to know when FTTN is coming to the Woden suburb of Garran ?
Hasn't been published, the officially statement about fttn came out 13 nov, I suspect this will be an ever-evolving changing rollout. But if there is transact vdsl2 there, it's a fair bet that's what the nbn will be at the end of the day. It's also safe to say it would be a better outcome than vdsl2 run over Telstra's copper.
when i get FTTN I'm waiting for fibre on demand , FOD in liberal policy so i still have chance to get FTTP i paid for FOD
they can't force people for FTTN , they can force us to get it but if u want faster Malcolm Turnbull said u can update to FOD
when i get FTTN I'm waiting for fibre on demand , FOD in liberal policy so i still have chance to get FTTP i paid for FOD
You would be better off moving house to where fttp/h is.
i will finish my mortgage next year and if i want to buy the house and buy another one i need to pay tax for the government and it will be like 50 000 AUD , i can get FOD in cheap why because they said it cost 5000 as average
i will tell u something australia should support FTTP for everyone because all the world are supporting it and this is the fact and they can't keep people on old tech
i have 5mbps as slow speed but some countries will go to 1gigabit speed
at least they should give me 100mbps as slowest speed
all the world is laughing on this government and this NBN project because of FTTN
i don't know why Telstra accepted old tech to stay on
their infrastructure !!!!
all the world is laughing on this government and this NBN project because of FTTN
All the world is laughing at our Government thanks to Tones performance at the G20, but our approach to modernising our communications infrastructure is way down the list of the international care factor.
If it on a map or plan somewhere, then I'm happy to go look, I just need the link.
cheers
There is no NBNco map or plan yet, but as far as we can tell, if you are in an existing suburb without TransACT FTTN already, and are not part of a new development with at least 100 residences, you will get FTTN sometime in the next few years.
This guess is based on the deployment principles at http://nbnco.com.au/content/d
To check if you can get TransACT FTTN (VDSL) go to http://www.transact.com.au/internet/transact/ and plug you address into the coverage checker on the left hand side of the page.
Parts of Garran do already have TransACT FTTN (I just checked 1 INGAMELLS Street, GARRAN 2605 as random street in Garran, and it has it)
100% that tuggeranong will fttp because of southquay construction
100% that tuggeranong will fttp because of southquay construction
100% that Southquay will be FTTP, but not 100% of Tuggernaong, going by government annoucemets and policy.
at least they should give me 100mbps as slowest speed
They don't have to GIVE you anything, the age of entitlement is strong in this one...
I moved to Bonython last year paying those taxes you talk about, guess what I could have gone for places with VDSL2 or NBN but I chose here. There are more important things in the world than my crappy 3.5mb connection.
No traffic light before bunnings
Actually, yeah, there is going to be. Didn't you see all the other infrastucture on that intersection? Noting to do with any ACT Rollout. It's to help with the new road traffic that will (eventually) come out of Southquay.
Sorry to burst your bubble, again.
I've been in Bonython for 13 yrs... Its not exactly a black spot but not great. Telstra ADSL2 was very late to the party, there is no competition for ADSL2 either, just Telstra. At the moment my download speed is ok, because the Tuggeranong exchange isn't too far away, but upload for me is woefully slow. I'm hoping at the very least I get a chance to upgrade to FTTP at my expense. Luckily the copper in Bonython is only 20-25 yrs old and Canberra has a dry climate, so corrosion is likely to be less if we get FTTN.
The long term, should have been FTTP, with a FTTN stepping stone where needed to speed up the process. Places like apartments with FTTB, would have sped up rollout. It was Labor's biggest mistake sticking to a plan and refuse to rethink it. That gave the coalition more fuel. Increase in rollout speed, increases revenue and covers costs and interest sooner.
I don't actually believe FTTN will be that much quicker to rollout to be honest. I'm hoping for a true hybrid plan with upgrade options etc by Labor before the next election. They will lose votes if they have a defeatist attitude and stick with the woeful Liberal policy as they gained power on the back of the NBN in 2010 and didn't lose power because of the plan in 2013. People want it, the opponents purely oppose it on ideological ideals and their own self interests.
They r saying that the map will show soon the plan from 2014 to 2017
And i hope all tuggeranong to get fttp not fttn , tuggeranong date on the map was from may 2014 but they removed it and in that time canberra times said they put it in limbo ,we still have hope beacuse all queanbyan will get fttp and they will finish it soon
Please read the principles for the NBN Rollout, that were officially announced by NBNCo on 13 November:
"...The multi-technology principles mean that most households and businesses:
� already served by the Optus or Telstra Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) cable networks, will receive fast broadband over an upgraded HFC network;
� where the NBN fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) network has been deployed or is in advanced stages of being built, will remain part of the FTTP rollout; and,
� where the NBN fixed wireless or satellite networks are earmarked for deployment, will remain part of the Fixed Wireless or Satellite rollout.
� All other communities are likely to receive fast broadband over fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) and, in the case of multi-dwelling units such as apartment blocks, fibre-to-the-basement (FTTB)...."
My suggestion, again, is that it would be easier for you to move house to one of the areas already served by FTTP if you want FTTP. FTTP deployment all areas of Canberra will happen, but be prepared to wait 10-15 years realistically.
I, and most people here, fully understand and appreciate your frustration with what has happened with the ACT rollout, but the coin toss has been made, and nothing will change that now.
i dont think so canberra will be half fttp and half fttn , they will complete it fttp
i dont think so canberra will be half fttp and half fttn
Read what he posted it is from the NBN site, anything not already started will be FTTN.
So Tuggeranong will be FTTN, if you dont like that move to a suburb already started or finished.
I have no issues with FTTN as it is a hell of a lot better than I have right now, and I am sure in the future it will be upgraded again.
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