A change of the guard, it'll be interesting to see if Turnbull maintains the MTM policy now that he is free to do whatever he likes. I'm being wishful in thinking that he will advocate a return to a full FTTP rollout again.
We just need to make sure he isn't PM long enough to sell off NBN(co) once the project is complete.
it'll be interesting to see if Turnbull maintains the MTM policy now that he is free to do whatever he likes. I'm being wishful in thinking that he will advocate a return to a full FTTP rollout again.
I cant see any change happening, and certainly no movement in the space for ACT as we are not a marginal electorate. The only way a change may happen is if people start voting against those they normally vote for, swinging away from the major two parties.
I cant see any change happening, and certainly no movement in the space for ACT as we are not a marginal electorate. The only way a change may happen is if people start voting against those they normally vote for, swinging away from the major two parties.
Well we nearly voted out the liberal Senator, last time, despite a swing to the coalition in Australia. I doubt we'll get much change on the Labor house of rep seats or the senate seat though. Too many people vote the same party their whole life.
I did read about a town in northern england doing their own FTTP rollout. The villagers learnt how to do rollout the fibre, crowdsourced the funding from the residents and installed it. I think it was called B4RN. I was contemplating whether say a suburb or two could do that in the ACT. I suspect the legislation would prevent it here though.
I did read about a town in northern england doing their own FTTP rollout.
I'd like to see our local ACT Government work with (or apply to) nbn� to fund the difference between FttN to upgrade the rollout to the ACT to full FttP. This difference could then be added to the cost of our rates amortised over a 10 year period (to pull a time period out of my ...). This would in my opinion be a much better outcome for ACT residents.
Of course the best outcome would be if nbn� just rolled out FttP for all but well that's a whole nother story isn't it.
read about a town in northern england doing their own FTTP rollout. The villagers learnt how to do rollout the fibre, crowdsourced the funding from the residents and installed it. I think it was called B4RN. I was contemplating whether say a suburb or two could do that in the ACT. I suspect the legislation would prevent it here though.
It would have to work in conjunction with cooperation with ACT govt, as new conduit would have to be dug. Telstra would never allow use of their pits and ducting, neither would actew with the agreement with transact. At costs like $2k per metre to get things like that done with labour costs like they are here in Australia ...unlikely.
Transact won't be selling to nbnco anytime soon either now tpg own them (who I suspect want to compete with NBN)...act govt has already forked out a fair bit initially to keep transact afloat...
NBN (Telstra by proxy) hold all the cards...which is why labor were trying to take them out of the game with its policy.
Whilst it would be nice, and unfortunately think it will never happen.
I can't see much really happening in ACT in the near future, apart from those in the 18 month rollout exchange areas � assuming there isn't more delays (likely)
The only way rollout in the act is going to start to look better (ie. Fttp) is if a politician promises to make it so for the area, in the imminent election at the federal level.
So which ACT suburbs are not in the 3 year plan today... From my point of view most of Tuggeranong (south of Wanniassa and Oxley), which happens to be the most liberal voting part of Canberra :-)
So that means 2 federal elections away! At one stage we were scheduled for build prep now :-) I might move by then or there is every chance we'll have a different government!
At one stage we were scheduled for build prep now :-)
Yep, when I bought my house in Bonython December 2013 we were scheduled to be getting connected by now.
But now they are going to overbuild transact that has just upgraded people to 60Mb/s + and leave us with our 3-5Mb/s down south. Cant even get a decent deal as the Greenway exchange is Telstra only.
But now they are going to overbuild transact
Overbuild or buy the TransACT VDSL2 network? Must be overbuild, not every VDSL2 area has been listed...
So that means 2 federal elections away! At one stage we were scheduled for build prep now :-) I might move by then or there is every chance we'll have a different government!
Contracts are being signed I would strongly suspect
Overbuild or buy the TransACT VDSL2 network? Must be overbuild, not every VDSL2 area has been listed...
TPG would never sell TransACT network to NBNCo given they are competing with them as a wholesaler.
TPG would never sell TransACT network to NBNCo given they are competing with them as a wholesaler.
Yeah � they're probably annoyed enough that iiNet sold the TransACT fibre to the NBNCo.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/lear
Holy **** Tuggernong not even getting "NBN" until post 2018 meanwhile they are rolling out FTTN to areas that already have access too VDSL2.
What the F***!?
meanwhile they are rolling out FTTN to areas that already have access too VDSL2.
I was waiting for your post :)
So much for prioritising areas with crap "broadband".
Guys sign the petition That minister gai brodtman created , she is fighting for south side . We want more people to sign plzzz
Its somewhat a blessing though, all those areas get FTTN, Here in Tuggers, in 2019 sometime, its likely we will get FTTP (if Labor win) ;)
jason clare know exactly that monash to theodore are the worst suburbs regarding internet , and he promised in the meeting that if he became a telecommunication minister next election will put these suburbs first on the rollout before everyone in Canberra . because he believes worst areas first then good areas last .
oly **** Tuggernong not even getting "NBN" until post 2018 meanwhile they are rolling out FTTN to areas that already have access too VDSL2.
What the F***!?
Last time I looked Kambah, Oxley and Wanniassa were in Tuggeranong, they are getting it Q4-2016.
As for this wonderful new release, looks a lot like the one they announced a while back now, and then announced 6 months later. Only difference I can see is slipping of dates, and whilst not applicable to the ACT the inclusion of HFC sites.
jason clare know exactly that monash to theodore are the worst suburbs regarding internet , and he promised in the meeting that if he became a telecommunication minister next election will put these suburbs first on the rollout before everyone in Canberra . because he believes worst areas first then good areas last
Now Gungahlin is almost finished SOME Tuggeranong suburbs would be amongst the worst, along with most of Australia.
he promised in the meeting that if he became a telecommunication minister next election will put these suburbs first on the rollout before everyone in Canberra . because he believes worst areas first then good areas last .
Key words are "he promised" which means he'll tell you what you want to here.
Last time I looked Kambah, Oxley and Wanniassa were in Tuggeranong, they are getting it Q4-2016.
Yes, but his point is that suburbs like Kambah, Oxley and Wanniassa already have VDSL2 through iiNet/TransACT, which is FTTN and speeds of 40-80Mbps already, there is no point building NBN over it before suburbs like Banks, Conder, etc which have just ADSL.
Yes, but his point is that suburbs like Kambah, Oxley and Wanniassa already have VDSL2 through iiNet/TransACT, which is FTTN and speeds of 40-80Mbps already, there is no point building NBN over it before suburbs like Banks, Conder, etc which have just ADSL.
I read it as two separate issues really as there is overbuilding of Transact VDSL2 in the North too. In fact most of the northern suburbs listed, except for Dunlop, the golf course part of Holt and the new part of Macgregor have Transact VDSL, probably on better copper lines than the Telstra lines.
Yep, when I bought my house in Bonython December 2013 we were scheduled to be getting connected by now.
I've been in Bonython since 2001, when originally Transact would come along and tell me If i signed up to their mobile plan, I'd be among the first to get Transact VDSL, which never happened!
Now we are a low priority compared to other areas of Canberra with better internet.
I know there are worse than the ~ 8Mbps I get now, but I can only get Telstra equipment based plans (as no other ISP installed DSLAMS in Tuggeranong exchange due to it being mostly commercial), o that means i pay extra compared to others as well.
That was the good part of the original NBN. 93% of Australia would be on the same technology and could get the same services for the same costs.
Anyway, I can only hope by 2019+ the government has moved on and realise we need FTTP, who knows we might get that first while they upgrade all the FTTN mess.
I know there are worse than the ~ 8Mbps I get now
Depending on the phase of the moon and tidal phases that go along with it I get from 3.5 to 5.8. Usually just under 5. Left Weston Creek when we moved and had 10-11 there and thought I can live with half that for a year or 2. Looks like it will be more like 5+ years now.
The Telstra only gear in Tuggeranong is a PITA cant get any of the decent deals!
Yes, but his point is that suburbs like Kambah, Oxley and Wanniassa already have VDSL2 through iiNet/TransACT, which is FTTN and speeds of 40-80Mbps already, there is no point building NBN over it before suburbs like Banks, Conder, etc which have just ADSL.
Umm.. I live in Kambah and can't get transact, I'm on a rim, get 5Mb down, 384Kb down.. so there's plenty of point in building nbn in Kambah.
The problem with the rollout plan is the complete lack of detail... Kambah is a very large suburb, and what you can get varies greatly.
Umm.. I live in Kambah and can't get transact, I'm on a rim, get 5Mb down, 384Kb down.. so there's plenty of point in building nbn in Kambah.
That is unfortunate, I know that TransACT VDSL2 doesn't go into some areas which might have other agreements with the building agencies and things originally when it was rolled out (e.g. apartments, townhouse complexes, estates). But as you can see on the link below, the vast majority of Kambah is able to get VDSL2.
I think it would be more logical to roll out NBN to suburbs where they have 0% VDSL2 coverage and horrible copper networks.. It would be selfish of you to suggest that the whole of Kambah needs NBN just because maybe <10% of it cannot get VDSL2...
I think it would be more logical to roll out NBN to suburbs where they have 0% VDSL2 coverage and horrible copper networks.. It would be selfish of you to suggest that the whole of Kambah needs NBN just because maybe <10% of it cannot get VDSL2...
By that token it's selfish of 99% of the people on these threads to suggest anything that would help their own situation.
I'm not suggesting the whole of Kambah should get FTTN, I'd much rather the large chunk of Kambah that doesn't have transact get FTTP and the NBN purchases transact for the rest. It's a moot point though, NBN will do what ever the government of the day pleases... it doesn't have to make sense to us.
Doesn't Transact VDSL2 run over power lines? If so i don't quite get it because I am in Theodore and there is plenty of power lines around!! Correct me if i'm wrong but what's their excuse for not finishing the south side of Canberra?
Doesn't Transact VDSL2 run over power lines?
No.
Many of their cables are aerial, but they're physically separate cables to the power lines.
I'm not suggesting the whole of Kambah should get FTTN
The major parts of Kambah that don't have it are Glen Eagles estates, which don't have VDSL probably because of some body corporate not approving it, and a couple of townhouse complexes by the looks of it.. Building FTTN for just those areas seems a bit silly, since they are going to do the whole suburb anyway (they are not buying the TransACT network, I know, it's stupid).
So disregarding the fact that they should buy transact's network, it would be more logical to first rollout to suburbs without VDSL and then move to the areas with VDSL, as much as it sucks for the few in Kambah (and other VDSL suburbs) that can't get it.
The simple fact is if they roll out those small complexes in Kambah which don't have VDSL coverage, they are going to do the whole surrounding area, because they don't seem to care about VDSL coverage. This whole situation is stupid, and yes they should just buy VDSL network from transact, but it's the beauty of government bureaucracy means they won't.
Nonsensical farce: NBN massively overbuilding Canberra�s FTTN with � more FTTN
By that token it's selfish of 99% of the people on these threads to suggest anything that would help their own situation.
No. Transact only ran it to places where the power lines were overhead. Only reason was because ACTEWAGL owned the poles so Transact could just string their own cables up. For underground locations, they would have had to negotiate for pit access from Telstra or run their own.
I've been in Bonython since 2001, when originally Transact would come along and tell me If i signed up to their mobile plan, I'd be among the first to get Transact VDSL, which never happened!
You were clearly lied to. The Transact VDSL plan never ever had extended to places with underground power and phone lines due to cost.
Now we are a low priority compared to other areas of Canberra with better internet.
I know there are worse than the ~ 8Mbps I get now, but I can only get Telstra equipment based plans (as no other ISP installed DSLAMS in Tuggeranong exchange due to it being mostly commercial), o that means i pay extra compared to others as well.
One of the many reasons why Gunghalin was the priority area of Canberra. Sadly there are pockets such as where you live that are in the same boat. My place in Dunlop for example and anywhere else there are RIM's installed around town. Obviously the issue with RIM's and ADSL is like the Tuggernaong exchange no ISP is going to install DSLAMs in the street next to the RIM, except Telstra and even then only because they were dragged kicking and screaming.
Umm.. I live in Kambah and can't get transact, I'm on a rim,
Being on a RIM has nothing to do with it. Transact is delivered over their own cables. Seeing as your on a RIM I reckon you must be in Gleneagles, which has underground services. As mentioned above Transact never went to places with underground services, nor had any plan to do so. So that's the reason you cannot get it, rather than being a RIM. A RIM prevents you getting ADSL from anyone but Telstra, or a from another ISP as a Telstra Wholesale service.
Getting back to NBN, all this was meant to be fixed with NBN. But we all know what happened.
Transact only ran it to places where the power lines were overhead.
The Transact VDSL plan never ever had extended to places with underground power and phone lines due to cost.
That's not true.
I live in Kingston Foreshore. We have underground phone and power. We have TransACT VDSL2.
You were clearly lied to. The Transact VDSL plan never ever had extended to places with underground power and phone lines due to cost.
Yeah well aware of that. The first time they came, they made it sound like it was to get VDSL, so I signed up. Then I read the contract and it was just to transfer my home phone to Transact, so I cancelled it before the cooling off period.
I live in Kingston Foreshore. We have underground phone and power. We have TransACT VDSL2.
Yes new developments were done at the time. Just like some suburbs in Canberra were done in fibre by transact. Its existing suburbs without overhead wire that missed out.
By that token it's selfish of 99% of the people on these threads to suggest anything that would help their own situation.
Yes there is selfishness in general. But you could probably take this a step further and argue why are all the suburbs with a lot of VDSL being done ahead of those without VDSL. Not just Kambah which has pockets and thus could argue they get priority over a suburb with complete VDSL coverage. Thats why Gungahlin got fibre first in Canberra as they had woeful internet. Now they have world class internet and probably the next worse area in Canberra is Tuggeranong yet its being done last. Its a blessing and a curse, because anything started next year will be FTTN. However a miracle may occur and Labor wins (ironic as a miracle was needed for Liberals and Abbott to win again) and then according to what I've heard FTTP and also maybe fibre to the curb will be deployed where possible.
That's not true.
I live in Kingston Foreshore. We have underground phone and power. We have TransACT VDSL2.
Technically you are 100% right, there were exceptions like where you live but very few and far between and for the most part greenfields or FTTB. Kingston foreshore fits both bills.
But they are the exceptions, in suburbia, for the general rollout Transact never provided service underground and everything I said about the rollout being only delivered where there is overhead power is 100% true and they never had plans to go to underground power suburbs.
Is the Canberra Times, ABC and other local media outlets that inept as to completely neglect calling NBN and the responsible minister to account for this overbuild fiasco?
I'm sorry but that foul-mouthed blogger on Delimiter does not count as a media outlet.
I actually prefer the concept of an overbuild if TPG don't want to sell, gives us more options ;-)
"Us" being...?
Fine for some I guess.
Kambah is a very large suburb
It's actually the largest suburb (by area) In Canberra full stop (in fact I think it even surpasses some suburbs in other cities in that regard?)
Back on topic,
I'm on a rim, get 5Mb down, 384Kb down..
That's pretty impressive figures being on a RIM. I'm a few km's south of you, and have ADSL+ (not 2), and get roughly 3.5 to 4 download depending on weather, etc, and a bit over 800 kbits/sec upload (I thought it used to be 384, but somethings changed over the last month or two)
As far as the rollout is concerned though, the majority of southern Canberra may just as well not exist, and that includes Kambah. To date the CBD and newer areas have been looked after, and Queanbeyan (NSW) even has a look in. But any suburbs south of say, the Woden area? Well we may see something, eventually.
Interestingly our local member has taken a stance on this, and wants to hear from people in the area who want NBN, but have been put "on hold", and is supporting a petition.
Hey guys looking at buying our first house with Internet being our major priority.
Do you guys think VDSL 2 is fine? Or try get a new place with NBN FTTP while i can?
Do you guys think VDSL 2 is fine? Or try get a new place with NBN FTTP while i can?
Yes, VDSL2 is usually well over 30Mbps, but if you really need 100/40 and better latency you should investigate NBN FTTP, however that will severely limit your options of where you can buy a house. I wouldn't factor it that highly if VDSL2 is available at alternatives, but that's just me.
Do you guys think VDSL 2 is fine? Or try get a new place with NBN FTTP while i can?
FTTP is best, but VDSL2 is fine for most people at the moment.
FTTP gives you a fixed speed, VDSL is basically a broader-band version of ADSL (and hence generally faster).
If you were looking at two places that were identical in every single other aspect to you, except one had FTTP, and one had VDSL2, I'd go with FTTP. If you were looking at two places, and one of them is better than the other except that it has VDSL, and the other one has FTTP; I'd probably go with VDSL � but everybody places different values on different things.
Thanks for your info.
If im looking at buying a terrace house at Googong, as a first house.
How do i triple check that im getting FTTP and not FTTN ?
Is it a general rule of thumb that new place are all FTTP?
I just check the NBN co website, and i typed in where building is to commence, and it said NBN is available there
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Googong is greenfields (new development) so it is FTTP. They don't bother building new developments with FTTN as there is very little point in doing so.
That's pretty impressive figures being on a RIM. I'm a few km's south of you, and have ADSL+ (not 2), and get roughly 3.5 to 4 download depending on weather, etc, and a bit over 800 kbits/sec upload (I thought it used to be 384, but somethings changed over the last month or two)
Not especially, I'm on a rim and was on adsl getting 7mbit down and 384 until they dslammed it 6 months ago, now it's 24572 down and 1084 up. You're also getting adsl2 if your upload speeds are more than 384...
I'm still wondering what they'd be doing to make it vdsl ready (I am under the 'impression' that vdsl in dslammed rim is entirely possible)
Googong is greenfields (new development) so it is FTTP. They don't bother building new developments with FTTN as there is very little point in doing so.
Thanks for the info, i thought that was the case, but who knows what the government is thinking sometimes lol
What annoys me is that I went for a walk and found a new sign stating "Underground Fibre". It was heading off in the direction of the as of yet undeveloped Tralee.
Bypassing Macarthur, Chisholm and Gilmore entirely. Places which aren't even slated for NBN until after 2018 and currently seem to get a max of 4-5 MB/s.
he major parts of Kambah that don't have it are Glen Eagles estates, which don't have VDSL probably because of some body corporate not approving it
There is no body corporate in Gleneagles. There's no transact because we have underground power lines, and we're on a rim because we're a long way from the exchange and telstra didn't have the copper available when the estate was built (20+ years ago now).
Has anyone had a non-standard installation done in an appartment? I don't want cable stuck to my ceilings which is what the standard install offers.
Who does a non-standard install? Do I need to organise a third party contractor to do the work?
What annoys me is that I went for a walk and found a new sign stating "Underground Fibre". It was heading off in the direction of the as of yet undeveloped Tralee.
Bypassing Macarthur, Chisholm and Gilmore entirely. Places which aren't even slated for NBN until after 2018 and currently seem to get a max of 4-5 MB/s.
That's a single backhaul run, so that as the suburb is developed the new homes can have fibre installed as they're built, rather than copper. If NBNCo didn't install that fibre run, someone would still have to install something so that those homes could have phone lines. 20 years ago that might have been Telstra installing a big copper bundle back to the exchange, or installing their own fibre to run RIMs or a sub-exchange in the new suburb.
Either way, don't be annoyed about it. The effort required to install that backhaul is a tiny fraction of what's required to install the last mile stuff in the suburb itself. Installing that backhaul for the new suburb is not in any way the reason those older suburbs haven't been done yet.
Has anyone had a non-standard installation done in an appartment? I don't want cable stuck to my ceilings which is what the standard install offers.
Who does a non-standard install? Do I need to organise a third party contractor to do the work?
I know a guy who engaged a third party contractor to do the cabling for his apartment, which meant he didnt have the aussie duct around the place. Get some quotes, speak to your neighbours too � may save money if you get a whole lot of your apartments done together (use your collective buying power)
i urge everyone to share and sign the petition in canberra , the minister will push in two weeks , she needs at least more 500 people
I've signed.
she said that she needs another 500 people to sign
FYI Gai hasn't said anything about fibre in her petition. ALP hasn't published their policy on this yet. She has just said she would prioritise the NBN for Canberra.
nope , i did the meeting with her and jason clare , she said that she wants to push for FTTP not FTTN
nope , i did the meeting with her and jason clare , she said that she wants to push for FTTP not FTTN
Nope, I was at the same meeting as well and at no time was this categorically stated. It was implied.
You need to understand that all bets are off with the new agreement.
If you choose to believe politicians who want to get elected and will say anything, thats fine. However until a published policy comes out from the ALP as to how and when and what they will deliver should they believe elected � you are being told what you want to hear.
you are being told what you want to hear
or in the case of some one "hearing what he wants to hear".
wtf is this? No letter box bombing, nothing, does this mean they've just run fibre to my basement and it's just luck of me checking availability to get it connected to the network port in my apartment?
Great news! You can now switch to the nbn� network.
The next step is to contact a phone or internet provider and order a plan over the nbn� network.
Your address will be connected to the nbn� network via fixed line technology. You need to contact a provider and choose a new plan that suits your needs, as you won't be automatically connected to the nbn� network.
edit: seriously, iinet says wireless NBN? The entire street is FTTP except my building. Like I want some congested high latency wireless at 250gb a month. I'll stick with ADSL.
they started nbn in tuggeranong , just at the new development infront of bunnings
Interesting that ACT Labor have a petition for the north side ...
Are you referring to this petition? http://www.gaibrodtmann.com.au/nbn_for_canberra
... but the south side being worse off gets no thought.
Seems to me that that petition (unless you're referring a different petition � although you have not provided a link) is for the whole of Canberra. Not just the north side.
Seems to me that that petition (unless you're referring a different petition � although you have not provided a link) is for the whole of Canberra. Not just the north side.
http://signup.andrewleigh.com/northsidenbn/
Not really understanding your complaint, since he's the rep for north side? Hell even his office isn't in his electorate, it ends at Haig Park.
Not really understanding your complaint, since he's the rep for north side? Hell even his office isn't in his electorate, it ends at Haig Park.
As a whole Canberra is represented by more than one minister, why is it that NBN depends on where the minister represents?
Sure alone its probably nothing but on the whole they don't really care about South Canberra or Tuggeranong.
Given they did nothing when Labor was in power to get NBN down south. However they all jumped around trying to get it for Gungahlin.
I'm not sure I understand your position? Given pretty much all of the fibre NBN is in Andrew Leigh's electorate or is scheduled to be rolled out with FTTN.
Why should all of Belconnen be connected before any of the southside brownfields?
Sure alone its probably nothing but on the whole they don't really care about South Canberra or Tuggeranong.
Would you and everyone else in Tuggers like to have one last whinge before the rest of Canberra stops caring for good � you lot sucked the treasury dry for two decades. Currently civil expansion is taking place in the Gungahlin region. Shortly most of the expansion is likely to be west of the Ginninderra/Belconnen region, and in the Brindabellas � at which point as large amount of the funds that have been directed at expanding Gungahlin will stop flowing there.
Given they did nothing when Labor was in power to get NBN down south. However they all jumped around trying to get it for Gungahlin.
At the time large parts of Gungahlin couldn't even get dial up; so yes, that region was prioritised for the rollout.
Why should all of Belconnen be connected before any of the southside brownfields?
Economies of scale. It makes more sense to concentrate the rollout in one area, and then move to another area once you're done, than to do a bit here, do a bit there, and hope it all connects up properly in the end.
We get it � the internet where you are is shit-awful. The internet in large parts of Belconnen, Bruce, Jamison, etc is shit-awful too.
As a whole Canberra is represented by more than one minister, why is it that NBN depends on where the minister represents?
Andrew Leigh is the Federal member for the electorate of Fenner. That is the northside of Canberra. Andrew Leigh is not a Minister. Andrew Leigh, as a Labor member in opposition, has no control over the LNP's (mis)management of the NBN/MTM rollout.
Given they did nothing when Labor was in power to get NBN down south. However they all jumped around trying to get it for Gungahlin.
When Labor was in Government yes NBN Co rolled out FttP in the Gunghalin area first. It is generally accepted that Gunghalin had the worst telecommunication infrastructure and internet services in Canberra.
Why should all of Belconnen be connected before any of the southside brownfields?
That's a matter you'd need to put to the current LNP Government and nbn� as to how they are prioritising the MTM rollout.
I thinks it fair to say that the rollout of NBN/MTM has been delayed under the LNP Government though. You can thank Malcolm Turnbull for that. The southside of Canberra would have been closer to getting the real NBN if the original FttP had been allowed to continue instead of the start/stop/start that has occurred under Malcolm Turnbull's stewardship.
We get it � the internet where you are is shit-awful. The internet in large parts of Belconnen, Bruce, Jamison, etc is shit-awful too.
I get 40/10..
you lot sucked the treasury dry for two decades.
which two was that? Southside gets 2nd rate internet like it does for schools and CIT. Southside students are the worst on NAPLAN surely internet would go some way to fixing that. Southside is an hour away by bus on weekends from civic, 15 minutes by car. Its absurd.
So on one hand tuggers gets screwed because of economies of scale and Gungahlin gets prioritised because of bad internet?
It couldn't have anything to do with the lack of Labor support down south?
There are parts of NBN connected down south, some greenfield sites are clearly FTTP, so your argument of economies of scale is odd.
Even parts of western creek and Kambah are getting NBN ahead of the rest of the south, in area's already serviced by TPG VDSL2.
I thinks it fair to say that the rollout of NBN/MTM has been delayed under the LNP Government though. You can thank Malcolm Turnbull for that.
As someone who had fibre in their building basement and hundreds of connection point pictures taken under Labor, then waited three years for the Liberals to test inferior technology and give us that instead, I'd have to agree there has been a massive delay in NBN. Could the Liberals NBN of been rolled out faster from the very beginning? Sure. But changing technology half way through has left Australia years behind.
My grandfather is in Dunlop, he can barely get 1mbps ADSL2. Downloading emails time out constantly, he's in a 3g Blackspot for Optus and Vodafone, and even Telstra only gets about 5meg on 3g. He's schedule to have construction start in a year, so let's call it three years until connection with these Muppets. Tell me how you're worse off in Tuggeranong and belco are theiving all your internet's and light rail.
Southside is an hour away by bus on weekends from civic, 15 minutes by car. Its absurd.
Depends where in the south you live, just like where in the north you live. I used to live in Dunlop which was close to an hour on the bus from the city too, and 25 minutes by car.
Also Tuggeranong in particular has a lot of issues simply because it is the furtherest town centre from the city and the only town centre that is a genuine double hop away (Woden/Weston Creek in between). That's a geographic fact that cannot be altered. That's why it takes so long to get to the city, why there has been no CIT to date (the current ones and the unis are more or less central to the bulk of the population), no hospital etc.
Now when it comes to Internet all the above matters diddly squat. Gungahlin got it first for good reason which was the whole area was built with RIM's and it was the worst place in the whole of the ACT for internet. Yeah yeah I know Tuggeranong has some RIM's too, but so does Belco (Dunlop, parts of Holt, Macgregor etc). Yes Tuggeranong has some house that are too far from the exchange, but so does Belco and pockets everywhere in the WHOLE country too. So really who gets what is based on how much you can build at once, and maybe a bit of politics thrown in.
But certainly don't describe to this Tuggernong gets screwed again mentality.
But certainly don't describe to this Tuggernong gets screwed again mentality.
Hear, hear.
As a whole Canberra is represented by more than one minister, why is it that NBN depends on where the minister represents?
None of the ACT's federal parliamentarians is a minister.
The only one who's a member of the Government is Senator Zed Seselja, and he seems quite happy with the Government's NBN policy. As a Senator, he's supposed to represent the whole of the ACT.
Andrew Leigh is the only ACT federal parliamentarian who has a ministry-level position, as Shadow Minister. In the new parliament, he will be Shadow Assistant Treasurer and Shadow Minister for Competition and Productivity, Shadow Minister for Trade in Services, Shadow Minister for Charities and Shadow Minister for Not-for-Profits.
Not being a member of the government, he isn't an, um, actual, minister.
None of the ACT's federal parliamentarians is a minister.
Minister : in the sense �a person acting under the authority of another�): from Old French ministre (noun), ministrer (verb), from Latin minister �servant�, from minus �less�.
The same as someone can be a minister in the religious sense....
Dictionary definitions don't make someone a parliamentary minister.
Especially when the dictionary I looked at gave as its first entry under minister:
1 (In certain countries) a head of a government department: 'the Defence Minister'
Added: LOL, Carcassone's quote seems to be from the same dictionary that I quoted from and is from the etymology, not from the actual meaning of the word. Etymology is not meaning.
The very wording of his quote should have been a dead giveaway that it was etymology, but I didn't pick it straight off.
But it's not a direct quote of that, either. The full quote is:
Origin
Middle English ( in sense 2 of the noun); also in the sense 'a person acting under the authority of another'): from Old French ministre (noun), ministrer (verb), from Latin minister 'servant', from minus 'less'. Highlight is the part omitted by Carcassone.
Sense 2 is the sense of a "religious minister".
But then, AFAIK, none of the ACT federal parliamentarians is a religious minister, either :D
Why should all of Belconnen be connected before any of the southside brownfields?
Actually it isn't. About half of Belconnen is not on the current schedule, only the western part refered to as the Scullin (covering Acton, Charnwood, Dunlop, Evatt, Florey, Flynn, Fraser, Hawker, Higgins, Holt, Latham, Macgregor, McKellar, Melba, Page, Scullin, Spence) is, starting in Q4 2016.
Also starting in Q4 2016 is the Kambah region (covering Farrer, Isaacs, Kambah, Mawson, O'Malley, Oxley, Pearce, Torrens, Wanniassa), which unless I am mistaken is south and brownfelds, with Deakin (covering Chapman, Chifley, Curtin, Deakin, Duffy, Fisher, Garran, Holder, Hughes, Lyons, Phillip, Rivett, Stirling, Tharwa, Waramanga, Weston, Yarralumla) slated for H2 2018, which is also south and brownfields.
The rest of Belconnen and North Canberra is NOT on the current rollout schedule.
So in actual fact based on the current schedule it is about a 50/50, with North Canberra and east Belconnen missing off the schedule. And South Canberra (essentially around Kingston etc) and the southern parts of Tuggernong missing off the schedule.
Anyway lets not let facts (or dictionary definitions) get in the way of a good rant.
Source:
http://www.nbnco.com.au/lear
Scroll down just past the first page, the Canberra region is at the top of the list.
It's debatable whether you actually would want to be on the rollout schedule at this point anyway, unless you prefer FTTN over FTTH.
I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if the areas that get NBN *later* actually get FTTH or similar.
True.
The rest of Belconnen and North Canberra is NOT on the current rollout schedule.
I beg to differ. The Inner North is in the 3-year plan, apart from 9CVI-01 (Turner, Braddon) and 9CVI-02 (City, Acton) which were started before the "adults took control" and are already laid out as FTTP.
The rest of 9CVI is due to commence in Q4 2016, AFAIK with FTTN, though I know that parts of it already have the main FTTP distribution ring fibre installed. That's Ainslie, Campbell, Dickson, Downer, Hackett, Lyneham, O'Connor, Reid, Turner, Watson.
That doesn't include any of Belconnen, though.
I get 40/10..
...and you're complaining of second rate internet?
Well, I suppose that is second rate compared to FTTP. But it is far superior to anything that was available in Gungahlin, which I guess by your rating system must be 3rd or 4th rate. I have only just got my FTTP connection a few weeks ago, but before that I've had 16 years where the absolute best I could do was 3.5 down. This was more typical: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5425024935, unless it had been raining.
I'd have jumped at anyone able to offer 20/5, let alone 40/10, over the last 15 years. That is crazy fast speed for pre-NBN Gungahlin.
beg to differ. The Inner North is in the 3-year plan, apart from 9CVI-01 (Turner, Braddon) and 9CVI-02 (City, Acton) which were started before the "adults took control" and are already laid out as FTTP.
Yeah right you are missed that one in the list... So lets make it north/south 60/40 in 3 years time. Though add in QBN which is part of the ACT rollout and you get your 50/50 again.
the absolute best I could do was 3.5 down
You don't have to be in Gungahlin to get ADSL speeds < 5 Mb/s. I'm in Hackett and when I was on ADSL, I was getting a but under 4Mb/s. Now getting 48/10 on iiNet (non-NBN) VDSL2.
I'm in Evatt and get around 6mpbs. It fluctuates though. The upload speeds of the NBN or even VDSL2 is of more interest to me though. 1mbps just doesn't cut it when you're trying to backup large chunks of data to cloud backup services.
The most galling thing is that I have Transact cable running past my house on the power poles, but the cable is not connected to anything at the end points.
Talk about low hanging fruit. For a relatively small outlay by iinet, 3 more suburbs could be brought online for VDSL2.
The Inner North is in the 3-year plan
Indeed. "ACT Civic" as it's called should be struck off the list until such time as they willing to give us FTTP. I'll stick with TransACT VDSL2 in the meanwhile.
"ACT Civic" as it's called should be struck off the list until such time as they willing to give us FTTP
Ummm... As I said in my post, the City area (in 9CVI-02) isn't in the 3-year plan, because it's already in service with FTTP. It went RFS in May 2014.
You don't have to be in Gungahlin to get ADSL speeds < 5 Mb/s
Yep. I didn't mean to imply there was anything unique to Gungahlin for crappy internet connections.
My point was that being stuck on 40/10 while waiting for a higher speed connection is a problem that a lot of people would like to have.
...and you're complaining of second rate internet?
Could you point me to where I complained and I'll amend it?
As I said in my post, the City area (in 9CVI-02) isn't in the 3-year plan, because it's already in service with FTTP. It went RFS in May 2014.
Yeah but the city area comprises one small part of the area covered by the Civic service area.
The NBN rollout in the ACT, unless you are one of the lucky ones to buy a brand new, multi function house in the newest suburbs in the last two to three years, has been non-existent.
Many ACT residents don't even get a choice of which provider to use for Broadband, let alone NBN! ie: Telstra, Optus or the other ISP's such as iiNet (the latter is trying to get there, but hamstrung). By cost or heavy weights I don't know, I'm suspecting the former, and the consumer is screaming for a better deal!
Sucks not to be in the more affluent suburbs of Braddon, or Ainslie (parts of) that have NBN, even the Parliamentary Triangle � who would have thought!!? Nor the new suburbs of Moncrieff, etc, which I have noticed with some humour you can get NBN, as long as you pay the developers upfront costs first. Before you actually apply for NBN.....
Meanwhile the older suburbs suffer with sub-standard Broadband
Sucks not to be in the more affluent suburbs of Braddon, or Ainslie (parts of) that have NBN, even the Parliamentary Triangle � who would have thought!!?
Actually no part of Ainslie has it. Braddon the city end and the CBD yes, but do of course remember that Braddon and the inner north was starting to ramp up just before the 2013 election and we know the result of that.
As for the Parl triangle, only parts that have it there are new apartment buildings, which is what you would expect.
The Canberra region hasn't been totally quite though, QBN has had brownfields FTTP rolled out, with Jerra coming online now. No surprises seeing as that was a marginal electorate and one area where I do think the continuation of the rollout was political.
Also coming online has been Nicholls.
And are you sure that Moncreif residents are being double charged or are you confusing something with the new development charged of $300, which is a NBN charge and is paid after you apply and are connected.
And yes older suburbs do suffer, but again refer to 2013 election and the policy change of the government for the root cause of that.
QBN has had brownfields FTTP rolled out, with Jerra coming online now. No surprises seeing as that was a marginal electorate and one area where I do think the continuation of the rollout was political.
In my opinion the rollout to the Queanbeyan region was definitely pork barrelling and political. It's my impression that they were moved up the queue. As I'm for FttP the more residents that get it the better and the residents of Queanbeyan were no more deserving or any less deserving than anyone else. The only difference is that future roll out areas will get the far inferior FttN.
Indeed. "ACT Civic" as it's called should be struck off the list until such time as they willing to give us FTTP. I'll stick with TransACT VDSL2 in the meanwhile.
Unfortunately it's a pointless protest. Fortunately for me I'm getting full 100mbps from FTTB. Better than 60 on TransACT, and I don't have to deal with confused iiNet support who aren't sure what TransACT is. At least iiNet VDSL is better than the awful shambles that was TransACT before it.
Sucks not to be in the more affluent suburbs of Braddon, or Ainslie (parts of) that have NBN,
Braddon have it SO great, it did take three years from Labor running fibre to my basement, to liberal cancelling our FTTP install and finally giving us FTTB though. Meanwhile my ADSL sync went from 22mbps to 12mbps, with "no fault" on Telstra's end, as they are performing nothing more than required maintenance on the exchange in preparation for users moving to NBN. So far I've had NBN for three months, and I still can't find a gigabit wireless AC VDSL2 modem all in one (not bridging, no interest) that isn't stupidly overpriced while having no guarantee's it will work properly on NBN due to tight requirements.
The NBN rollout in the ACT, unless you are one of the lucky ones to buy a brand new, multi function house in the newest suburbs in the last two to three years, has been non-existent.
Except that almost all of Gungahlin region has NBN now, mostly FTTH � half of which was Brownfields rollout.
Many ACT residents don't even get a choice of which provider to use for Broadband
How many would that be? Almost every home in the ACT has a choice of broadband providers via ADSL from multiple providers' DSLAMs at their exchange, or at least via Telstra Wholesale from their RIM. I don't deny that a bunch of homes have what I would term poor connections (sync speeds below, say, 3Mbit and/or unreliable sync) but they have connections nonetheless.
Perhaps you meant choice of last-mile provider? Then there's the option of TransACT VDSL2 for probably 80k of the ACT's ~140k residences. VDSL2 and wireless (not 3G/4G) from a handful of other companies for maybe 10-20k residences, too.
Nor the new suburbs of Moncrieff, etc, which I have noticed with some humour you can get NBN
I don't see anything funny about that. NBN FTTH for greenfields developments has been policy of both political parties for several years now. This is the case all around the nation. It seems perfectly sensible to me.
As I said in my post, the City area (in 9CVI-02) isn't in the 3-year plan, because it's already in service with FTTP. It went RFS in May 2014.
I don't disagree. A say "Civic, as it's called" as that's what NBN(co) have named the Inner North region in the Three Year Rollout plan, in defiance of local convention.
I don't disagree. A say "Civic, as it's called" as that's what NBN(co) have named the Inner North region in the Three Year Rollout plan, in defiance of local convention.
Local convention is irrelevant, because they use the name of the Telstra exchange that houses the NBN gear to describe the service area. So Civic it is.
So take the western half of Belconnen, it is called Scullin, but covers more than just Scullin. In fact it covers the area serviced by BOTH the Scullin and Melba Telstra exchanges (Melba wasn't going to house any NBN gear under FTTP, not sure under FTTN) so a dozen or so suburbs in all. But no one calls that part of Belconnen Scullin.
A say "Civic, as it's called" as that's what NBN(co) have named the Inner North region in the Three Year Rollout plan, in defiance of local convention
It's named "Civic" because it's the Civic exchange area. Within that, the part that's called "Civic" by normal folk is called "City" in the plan. I agree that the naming is confusing, but that's what the exchange is called.
Perhaps it's better to stick with calling it 9CVI.
NBN FTTH for greenfields developments has been policy of both political parties for several years now.
I'm not sure that I actually agree with you there. nbn� under the management of the LNP do not have a policy of FttH for greenfield developments. The writer is unsure if it was ALP policy too. I don't think that it was but ..... In fact Telstra (where they are installing in new developments) have found it to their (financial) advantage to install copper. As I understand it Telstra will also pocket a fee when these premises are moved over to the MTM network.
Asked to comment on why it was deploying copper to new estates instead of fibre, a Telstra spokesperson said the decision was due to policy laid down by the Government.
�Consistent with government policy, developers are free to pick the carrier of their choice to deploy the infrastructure they need, whether it be fibre or copper, to their new estates,� they said. �Under the current regulatory settings we can�t roll out a fibre network and then retail voice services over it, so where we are approached by a developer to build new telecommunications infrastructure we roll out copper.�
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Crazy huh?
Think you will find that when a new development comes up the developer needs to provide the FTTP infrastructure. They do this by going to NBN or one of the other providers of infrastructure. Such as Transact who used to do greenfields in Canberra, but around the country there others.
Now if the development is under 100 homes then Telstra can be called in as a supplier of last resort and they can install fibre or copper, and developments over 100 homes it is NBN and fibre.
Not going to read each article you have linked above, but the first one I opened about Telstra deploying copper seems to talking about small scale developments as per what I wrote above.
... but the first one I opened about Telstra deploying copper seems to talking about small scale developments as per what I wrote above.
I was responding to Grrrrrr's comment about NBN FTTH for greenfields developments has been policy of both political parties for several years now. .
Now if the development is under 100 homes then Telstra can be called in as a supplier of last resort and they can install fibre or copper, and developments over 100 homes it is NBN and fibre.
Yes and? Grrrrrrrr's comment about the policy of both political parties may have been in response to discussions about greenfield developments in general but it can as easily be taken to greenfield developments of any size, including under 100 homes.
Think you will find that when a new development comes up the developer needs to provide the FTTP infrastructure.
Those articles I linked (if correct) would contradict your statement. The articles say that it can be copper.
Happy to be corrected.
Edit: For full disclosure I actually couldn't be bothered reading fully through the articles in detail again either from when they were discussed at length in another thread.
nbn� under the management of the LNP do not have a policy of FttH for greenfield developments.
FTTP is the only option discussed for Greenfields in the NBN Corporate Plan. http://www.nbnco.com.au/conte
NBN FTTP is currently planned for 2.4m premises (page 39) and we know that the vast majority of Brownfields sites will be FTTN (or FTTdp) from now on, meaning most of the 2.4m FTTP number will be Greenfields.
In fact Telstra (where they are installing in new developments) have found it to their (financial) advantage to install copper.
But that's Telstra doing whatever they can get away with, and not a reflection on government's policy for NBN(co).
But that's Telstra doing whatever they can get away with, and not a reflection on government's policy for NBN(co).
Of course it's a reflection on Government policy for the development of our national telecommunications network. Government policy can regulate that only fibre be installed in Greenfield estates. I don't expect that the current Government would be at all interested in doing that though considering their ideological move from 93% FttP to the rollout of the inferior and more expensive FttN copper solution. nbn� have demonstrated that they will buy more copper for their FttN solution.
Of course it's a reflection on Government policy for the development of our national telecommunications network.
Now you're being obtuse. We were discussing NBN policy/plans (as dictated to them by the government of the day) and not telecommunications regulations as they apply to other parties.
You said that NBN don't have a policy on greenfields FTTH � but I have shown that they plan to install it to millions of homes.
Competitors (inc Telstra) can roll out whatever they want, presumably as long as it fits in NBN-specced pits and pipes. Of course NBN can also roll out other technologies � we all know LTE is going to be used in rural areas. They may even extend FTTN or HFC from adjoining areas if they can, but FTTH was and still is planned for a number of areas � as seen on the 3 year plan.
There appears to be some rodding and roping in preparation for nodes in Kambah happening today.
Been seeing some fibreglass poles going around Kambah recently. Not sure if they are for anything NBN related they seem to be spread around.
Been seeing some fibreglass poles going around Kambah recently. Not sure if they are for anything NBN related they seem to be spread around.
Are they just part of ActewAGL's pole replacement program? When they went through our part of Hackett a year or so ago, most of the new poles were two-section fibreglass poles.
They look really short. Less than a car length in size but it could be.
http://www.canberratimes.com
I've seen a few myself � are these the pipes that are sitting on nature strips every now and again, about half the height of a power pole?
hey fellas i wanna tell u that DGTEK will add the future rollout places after commsday at 5 october . the support told me this today : South Canberra and Adelaide plans already submitted for the consideration
and they told me that they are interested in rolling out fibre optic in south canberra at tuggeranong suburbs as they knew that these suburbs dont have nbn for the next decade and the internet is so slow too !
are these the pipes that are sitting on nature strips every now and again, about half the height of a power pole?
The fibreglass power poles they used around here were in two sections, so given that there's overlap at the join (the top section sits over the outside of the top of the bottom section), and the bottom bit is buried, each section is around half the height of the pole above ground.
They're dark grey as in the link Carcassone posted, tapered, and the narrower (top) section has a flattish conical cap.
The picture in the link that Carcassone is the type of pole that was used around here.
They can be assembled and installed without powered equipment. The bottom half of the pole is set in the hole, and the hole back-filled. Then they strap a steel pole with a block and tackle on it to the side of the bottom half. That's then used (human power only) to lift the top section up (with the pole section hanging down vertically) and let it down over the top of the bottom section. Then the lifting pole is taken off. I was quite impressed at how it was done :)
They look really short. Less than a car length in size but it could be.
Thing
Yep. That looks like the bottom half. You can see the bolt holes in the top end (the far end in the "Thing" photo) that's used for the bolt(s?) that secure the thing together once it's done. The wooden blocks on the top and bottom are just for protection when transporting (and stacking?).
There appears to be some rodding and roping in preparation for nodes in Kambah happening today.
It's weird being on the monash exchange.
Dialup speeds, not on the 3 year rollout, yet thankful because I hope we get an early election (this Parliament is literally unworkable) and Labor might win and switch back to FTTP just in time.
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