Slightly off topic but has Labor said what will happen to all FTTN sites yet ?
I see a reference to a recent interview from Shorten at Sky News� People�s Forum in April, Shorten said Labor wouldn�t �rip up everything that Mr Turnbull has done� with respect to the NBN, because he didn�t believe �everything that the Liberals do is bad�.
Basically all of us on FTTN will we have a fibre future?
Basically all of us on FTTN will we have a fibre future?
My prediction is they will won't do a thing about FTTN areas and FTTP will be rolled out to those areas currently without any builds in progress for either FTTN or HFC.
Basically all of us on FTTN will we have a fibre future?
When I was talking to Jason Clare he said that those in the process of getting FTTN would continue to get it (and those who already had it are in this as well)..... and that would be revisited after everyone else had whatever form of NBN was chosen (I suspect FTTdp). It makes no sense stopping all installations for years as Turnbull did when he took over.
So you will be stuck on FTTN for some time..... early to mid 2020's I'd guess.
I have a suspicion that the tech may have jumpered your NBN VDSL2 service and your old ADSL service together by mistake somewhere along the cable run. It would explain what you've experienced and why the interference has caused the NBN port to shut down.
For what it's worth, I managed to get my last speed test results last night before the connected crapped out... the best it went was 18 mbps, but as you can see the upload was 0.83 mbps which is exactly what my old ADSL2+ connection could ever max out at.
NBN Co must have done some work today to have a look at the issue from yesterday (faster response than I thought)
Got home, plugged in the router and sync came up tonight without issue where yesterday it was completely dead.
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5384951701
Anyone think a Broadcom router / modem would be worth a shot to see if I get a better result? Looks like even though the node is 200m away from me it runs around the block the other way first and comes back up the street...
Looks like even though the node is 200m away from me it runs around the block the other way first and comes back up the street...
I'm in much the same boat, just over 200m by the route that would use least copper & digging, well over 700m actual.
For those interested I've out together a estimated FTTN speed/distance map (NOTE estimated...), which is an updated version of what was published here many posts ago.
Nothing showing for the Cairns region? Does this map only reflect activated areas?
Nothing showing for the Cairns region? Does this map only reflect activated areas?
Currently limited to only locations where I've confirmed or received confirmation on the Pillar location, hence some gaps. FTTP/HFC/Wireless is available on my backend, but not published as I'm limited by size. Working on moving to new system to show all data nationally.
Working on moving to new system to show all data nationally.
Thanks for your tireless work. :star:
Working on moving to new system to show all data nationally.
Thank you for the hard work :)
Not sure if I should place this in the Collation thread or this but what I'm posting below has to do with some very funny places NBN decided to place their nodes and seeing as this could be counted as FTTN general discussion I thought what the heck.
At least the Placement of Nodes in this Node Gallery isn't anyway near water but you have to question why NBN put them in such funny and tight places. They also rip up pavement and don't even bother getting someone to fix it. I took a few photos and they are in the very article below. I'm surprised with the messy job they have done when it comes to fixing up the footpath. If someone isn't paying attention then they could drip over and hurt themselves. If you can't replace it yourself then get a trained person in to fix it so it doesn't create hassles in the long run.
https://delimiter.com.au/201
Not sure if I should place this in the Collation thread or this but what I'm posting below has to do with some very funny places NBN decided to place their nodes and seeing as this could be counted as FTTN general discussion I thought what the heck.
haha! was only looking to do the same thing just now...
Another Delimeter article � https://delimiter.com.au/2016
Anyone think a Broadcom router / modem would be worth a shot to see if I get a better result? Looks like even though the node is 200m away from me it runs around the block the other way first and comes back up the street...
I'm wondering about the same thing, I sitting on around 60mbps but have reports of 80-85mbps at my distance but with how random vdsl has been its hard to judge.
I have the same modem as you so will be interesting to see.
Did you end up trying a broadcom?
'Im wondering about the same thing, I sitting on around 60mbps but have reports of 80-85mbps at my distance but with how random vdsl has been its hard to judge.
It is unlikely you will get much better performance from a different modem chipset.... line length, line quality, line gauge, number and condition of joints, proximity to other pairs with ADSL/VDSL services (crosstalk) etc... etc... will all have a bigger impact. So distance might be the same, but other factors are unlikely to be. That's why FTTN is the same as ADSL � the sync speed you get is a lotto... and the throughput could also be a lot less than the sync speed due to CVC issues....
and the throughput could also be a lot less than the sync speed due to CVC issues....
Has nothing to do with FTTN
Has nothing to do with FTTN
What?
The CVC is used to get traffic from NBNCo's FTTN and FTTP to your chosen ISP! And the average that ISPs are purchasing is only 0.9Mbps per user.
Ask iiNet customers on Cannington and Doubleview here in WA if CVC issues affect the throughput � when they sync at say 95Mbps but at peak only get 1Mbps!!!
Did you end up trying a broadcom?
I have intermittent issues with my connection which a tech needs to check next week. when the modem is syncing and the line stays stable I have gained maybe 10% extra sync up & down with the Billion 8900AX which is using the Broadcom chipset. Each connection will be different though I saw someone get 20% gains but as Fast is Good says above, we are still living in Node Lotto distance / quality situation.
The way I see it is if you see all the modems which are supplied by RSPs they are using Broadcom VDSL chipset so I'm making my end as compatible as I can. Nothing to say the ASUS modem was bad as I did get sync and it worked, but it's personal choice and we should all have that option.
boat, just over 200m by the route that would use least copper & digging, well over 700m actual.
How do you actually find that information out though?
It is unlikely you will get much better performance from a different modem chipset...
I would agree there, but there have been stories out there of broadcom being better for longer line distances.
But it makes you wonder why every single known chipset on approved fttn modems is broadcom.
Edit:
The way I see it is if you see all the modems which are supplied by RSPs they are using Broadcom VDSL chipset so I'm making my end as compatible as I can. Nothing to say the ASUS modem was bad as I did get sync and it worked, but it's personal choice and we should all have that option
Was just what I wrote,
And a 10% increase is still almost another 1MB/s.
I'm tempted to go out and buy a Netcomm NF10W today and test it out.
If I dont get a decent improvement i can sell it off and be out of pocket like $20-$30
What?
The CVC is used to get traffic from NBNCo's FTTN and FTTP to your chosen ISP! And the average that ISPs are purchasing is only 0.9Mbps per user.
Ask iiNet customers on Cannington and Doubleview here in WA if CVC issues affect the throughput � when they sync at say 95Mbps but at peak only get 1Mbps!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong (because most of the time I am) but isn't that an issue with the RSP and not the FTTN infrastructure?
What?
You are correct, but an RSP could easily under provide for an FTTP or HFC connection as much as a FTTN, it just so happens, all of the under provisioning has so far occured on FTTN.
But it makes you wonder why every single known chipset on approved fttn modems is broadcom.
Broadcom are one of the few manufacturers of chipsets which support Vectoring � and that is essential for our implementation of FTTN (VDSL2 + vectoring).
Other manufacturers make VDSL2 chipsets but most don't as yet include vectoring � but I dare say will before long. If only using ISP supplied VDSL2 or TPG FTTB then a VDSL2 modem without vectoring is OK.
it just so happens, all of the under provisioning has so far occured on FTTN.
Agreed � because the uptake of FTTN has been huge over here (really some of the first full scale implementations) and lots of users get added very quickly.
iiNet seem to have a lot of trouble keeping up with demand (other ISPs � including TPG � seem to manage a lot better).
But regardless of whether FTTP or FTTN the average CVC amount purchased of 0.9Mbps per customer is totally inadequate in this day of everyone video streaming � Netflix HD requiring 5 Mbps for just one stream.
Correct me if I'm wrong (because most of the time I am) but isn't that an issue with the RSP and not the FTTN infrastructure?
Depends whether you view charges levied by NBNCo for use of their infrastructure part of that infrastructure (I do).
Since they charge RSPs $17.50 per Mbit for CVC capacity that has two affects
Firstly spare capacity is too expensive so they try to order capacity "just in time" and that isn't working too well!
Secondly long term that leads to the provision of 0.9Mbps per user as they can't afford to purchase lots of CVC � so that means a real threat of peak time congestion.
Whilst the RSPs have to purchase the CVC capacity � if NBNCo make it too expensive for them to afford enough- whose fault is it? I'm laying the blame at the feet of NBNCo.
Correct me if I'm wrong (because most of the time I am) but isn't that an issue with the RSP and not the FTTN infrastructure?
Yes, but because the MTM has completely ruined the NBN's financials, they cant afford to reduce CVC to a sensible level � as was planned and already priced into for FTTP. It costs more to get data from an nbn connection to your local POI than it does to get data from Australia to the US.
The MTM model makes bandwidth a scarcity and charges accordingly.
Whilst the RSPs have to purchase the CVC capacity � if NBNCo make it too expensive for them to afford enough- whose fault is it? I'm laying the blame at the feet of NBNCo.
I agree, and they must be getting instructions from the government of the day.
Since they charge RSPs $17.50 per Mbit
Want a history lesson in Australian telco economics, read this.
i am wondering. i have seen before a user that you can post ur stats to and will tell you how far away ur node is.
Anyone know this fellas name Rendang or something.
Or is there another way to know how far i am from my node.
There are 2 nodes on my street so wondering which one mine is. hopefully its the only only 2 homes away.
i am wondering. i have seen before a user that you can post ur stats to and will tell you how far away ur node is.
Anyone know this fellas name Rendang or something.
Hi Guys,
We are in the same boat. We would like to find out our estimated cable distance from our node. I dont exactly want to end up locked into a 24 month contract 100/40 when i wont be able to get near those speeds.
Thanks
i am wondering. i have seen before a user that you can post ur stats to and will tell you how far away ur node is.
I can't remember where it was posted, but I believe this map is what you need.
https://nbnmtm.cartodb.com/v
Maybe someone can offer some advice here.
I got connected to the FTTN NBN on Tuesday 7th of June and was very happy with my speeds, like so:
Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
Interleaved
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 107735
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 44199
Downstream SNR (dB) 15.3
Upstream SNR (dB) 11.5
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 8
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 2.8
Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.1
Upstream output power (dBmV) -0.2
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 0
Upstream FEC 0
My connection was extremely stable and never dropped out for almost a whole week, downloads steady at 11.9MB/s indicating I'm hitting the maximum the fast ethernet port could do and I didn't seem to have any packet loss etc
But then my connection dropped, speeds looks like this now:
Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
Interleaved
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 88793
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 44199
Downstream SNR (dB) 6.5
Upstream SNR (dB) 8.7
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 24.6
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 44.9
Downstream output power (dBmV) 13.3
Upstream output power (dBmV) 7.3
Downstream CRC 11
Upstream CRC 3
Downstream FEC 353606
Upstream FEC 4765
I've tried rebooting my modem a bunch, fiddling with the cables, factory reset etc but it won't budge � it always sync's between 85Mbit and 90.xxMbit now (like 90.2Mbit) � I know I should probably still be happy with these speeds but why have I lost almost 20Mbit in sync speed in less than a week?
The only thing I could think of is that perhaps more people are switching to the NBN and it's increasing interference on the pillar/DSLAM, I know VDSL is crazy sensitive to interference, I was likely one of the first connected as I put my application in 4AM on RFS day, but if that's the case it's only been one week � surely there is still hardly anyone on the node, how low will it drop when the node is fully populated?
If anyone has any suggestions let me know. Would a port rebuild help? (if I can somehow convince TPG to ask NBNco to do that, I've heard it's possible)
If anyone has any suggestions let me know. Would a port rebuild help? (if I can somehow convince TPG to ask NBNco to do that, I've heard it's possible)
May be more folk on your NODE have signed up and come on line, hence the drop in performance, probably it will get worse when all have signed up and activated on your node. You have the Coalition Parties NBN, the fraudband over copper wire or pretend NBN.
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 8
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 2.8
vs
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 24.6
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 44.9
Is quite strange.
Is quite strange.
It is more than that, look at the power levels, the FEC count and the SNR figures.
The line has clearly gone to s***, the question is why? I think the FEC count raises alarm bells though.
I managed to convince TPG to do a port rebuild
Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
Interleaved
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 107735
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 44199
Downstream SNR (dB) 14.3
Upstream SNR (dB) 10.3
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 8.1
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 3.1
Downstream output power (dBmV) 11.8
Upstream output power (dBmV) -0.1
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 0
Upstream FEC 0
http://www.speedtest.net/result/5399863979.png
Shrug, lol. Hopefully it stays like this but not holding my breath.
It is more than that, look at the power levels, the FEC count and the SNR figures.
The SNR is consistent with the drop in speeds � close to 6dB target for the downlink, and reduced on the uplink. (No sync speed loss on uplink as probably that part of the spectrum wasn't affected. The downlink ran out of headroom though.)
The FEC could be a result of a long running connection vs. one that was just made.
e.g. on my line:
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 107735
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 44199
Downstream SNR (dB) 8.8
Upstream SNR (dB) 8.2
...
Downstream FEC 297004
Upstream FEC 52783
I don't have any CRC yet for this connection, but have had them before. But I also haven't noticed any issues (bar one drop out the other day � I suspect someone messing around in the MDF).
I managed to convince TPG to do a port rebuild
Line standard VDSL2
Channel type
Interleaved
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 107735
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 44199
Wow who'd have thought... As they say on the IT Crowd � "Have you tried turning it off and on again"... at the DSLAM.
Shrug, lol. Hopefully it stays like this but not holding my breath.
When a port rebuild is done... the ends of the line forget the buckets where there is interference � speed goes up as more buckets are being used.
After hours or sometimes days, the devices at the end of the line relearn the contaminated buckets (those subject to interference) and they are dropped again � and so the speed drops.
FTTN is just a RIM on steroids with VDSL rather than ADSL � and the same rules apply. A port rebuild is just a palliative (normally suggested by support to make the customer go away)..... it generally provides no long term benefit.
i am wondering. i have seen before a user that you can post ur stats to and will tell you how far away ur node is.
Anyone know this fellas name Rendang or something.
The person you are after is Rendrag . /user/41885
Nice person too.
The MTM model makes bandwidth a scarcity and charges accordingly.
This is not result of the MTM � CVC charge started at $20 under the original Labor plan. Was reduced to $17.50 a couple of years ago and plan to reduce further if RSPs increase bandwidth.
The blowout in construction costs � both FTTP and FTTN means it is hard to reduce as the NBN still needs to make its target returns
The blowout in construction costs � both FTTP and FTTN means it is hard to reduce as the NBN still needs to make its target returns
But FTTP has much higher takeup, and much higher average revenue. FTTN screws up the financials so badly (And the extra operational costs, that CVC charges are the only way they can try to bring in revenue.
But FTTP has much higher takeup, and much higher average revenue.
Only because it's been out longer. Long term everyone has to switch on FTTN so would actually expect it's take-up to surpass FTTP (eg. Older people taking Dodo's 12/1 10Gb plan or equivalent)
Agree revenue is higher given greater availability of 100/40 plans � albeit given the overall take-up of those it's still marginal
The forced use of FTTN for predominately telephone subscriptions will actually help providers deliver a less congested service on FTTN
Folks, I finally found documentation backing up the info I and others had that NBN Co is only using 1/1 GE fibre to Connect Nodes back to the FAN:
See page 30: http://www.nbnco.com.au/conte
The AAS at the FAN is using 10 GE links but the Nodes connect into it at 1 GE:
Currently, 4 x Point to Point fibres will be provided for each DSLAM.
Out of the 4 x Point to Point fibres, the equipment requires 2 x Uplink Fibres which are connected through to the Aggregation switch in the NBN Co Network. The additional 2 x Point to Point fibres are spares, to allow flexibility for future growth or migration activities.
2.4.4 Access Aggregation Switch (AAS)
The introduction of DSLAMs with lower customer density and higher node volumes created the need for an additional layer of aggregation for combining multiple 1GE access interfaces from the DSLAMs into 10Gbps interfaces preferred by the core (Transit and Aggregation) networks. This is provided by an Access Aggregation Switch (AAS).
The AAS solution is positioned in the FAN, which can be physically located in a FAN site or a POI site.
From the diagram above, the AAS is used to aggregate multiple 1GE uplinks from access nodes to 10GE links, connecting to the Ethernet Aggregation Switch or Ethernet Connectivity Switch of the Aggregation Domain.
AAS will connect to DSLAMs via N x 1GE (N ? 4) connections and will be dual-homed to EAS/ECS pair, each via N x 10GE connections. The backhaul connection from FAN to POI can be either direct fibre or DWDM and direct fibre.
1/1 GE fibre to Connect Nodes back to the FAN
I think the whole idea is that the transit (WDM) network would be expensive to extend past the FAN sites into the ones which are part of the LFN.
Much cheaper to use an aggregation switch at the intermediate sites, then interface at 10G to the existing transit points.
If there were a large number of DSLAM 1G uplinks at an intermediate site, then it might be cheaper to extend the WDM to that point and install a 1G interface, for a small amount it's probably not worth it.
Not sure the network design rules really show this very well.
EDIT: possibly also at the FAN sites the WDM equipment doesn't have 1G ports, so the aggregation switches are used to convert the DSLAM uplinks to 10G.
(The POI sites would have 1G ports, but mainly used for other things such as network supervisory systems, etc, the existing GPON equipment would likely only have 10G uplinks)
So i finally got connected up to fttn today.. .
Except i found out i can't get any higher than 25mbit/sec. Telstra said the speed boosts are not available to me. I know i can possibly get faster as my modem syncs up at 39mbit/sec... telstra just can't or won't sell them to me...
Also, a person who is on the same node who got switched earlier has the 100mbit speed through his rsp.
Does anyone know if this is a common occurrence with FTTN?
Does anyone know if this is a common occurrence with FTTN?
Same here ( Belong FttN Caboolture ). A SpeedBoost from 25/5 to 100/40 was declined by them. Perhaps another RSP might up to 50/20 ?
telstra just can't or won't sell them to me...
Might just be the sales rep you spoke to?
Might just be the sales rep you spoke to?
Nope they tried and the system wouldn't let them apply a speed boost in not sure if it's a telstra or nbnco decision to block the speed boost though.
Only because it's been out longer. Long term everyone has to switch on FTTN so would actually expect it's take-up to surpass FTTP (eg. Older people taking Dodo's 12/1 10Gb plan or equivalent)
Agree revenue is higher given greater availability of 100/40 plans � albeit given the overall take-up of those it's still marginal
Revenue per customer is higher for FTTP than FTTN (due to not all FTTN customers being able to get higher speeds) and running costs per customer (to NBNCo) are lower for FTTP than FTTN due to lack of powered nodes and lower levels of maintenance required for fibre versus copper. Customers may also see FTTN as providing a lower quality of service than FTTP and may be more likely to use mobile services instead for voice and data rather than have an FTTN service, giving FTTN a lower take-up rate than FTTP.
I did receive an email reply today from the Department of Communications indicating that they had confirmed with Telstra that Telstra will offer the Standard Telephone Service on FTTN, but that battery back-up would be up to the customer.
Nope they tried and the system wouldn't let them apply a speed boost in not sure if it's a telstra or nbnco decision to block the speed boost though.
Except i found out i can't get any higher than 25mbit/sec. Telstra said the speed boosts are not available to me. I know i can possibly get faster as my modem syncs up at 39mbit/sec... telstra just can't or won't sell them to me...
Same here ( Belong FttN Caboolture ). A SpeedBoost from 25/5 to 100/40 was declined by them. Perhaps another RSP might up to 50/20 ?
I can guarantee you the nbn will not be blocking you from being able to purchase the higher speed tiers if your modem syncs above your current tier.
When you call up telstra make sure to call their NBN line and nowhere else as I've heard stories such people being told as its not approved by the council ect ect from other departments.
I can guarantee you the nbn will not be blocking you from being able to purchase the higher speed tiers if your modem syncs above your current tier.
When you call up telstra make sure to call their NBN line and nowhere else as I've heard stories such people being told as its not approved by the council ect ect from other departments
It was their nbn team who told me speed boost was unavailable. Add i mentioned before,they couldn't tell me why that was so... i would very much like to know why though, as you could well imagine
Same here, the Belong NBN Team in Melbourne themselves stated twice to me ( and as recent as a fortnight ago ) that anything more than 25/5 under FttN ( Caboolture ) was not possible.
As for NBN, they simply referred me back to the RSP.
Belong
belong only sell 12/1 and 25/5 on FTTN, I believe a few other RSPs only do 12/1 and 25/5 over FTTN/B as well
Same here, the Belong NBN Team in Melbourne themselves stated twice to me ( and as recent as a fortnight ago ) that anything more than 25/5 under FttN ( Caboolture ) was not possible.
Time to find a new RSP
belong only sell 12/1 and 25/5 on FTTN
Then why do they advertise Speedboost to 100/40 for $25 a month ?
It was their nbn team who told me speed boost was unavailable. Add i mentioned before,they couldn't tell me why that was so... i would very much like to know why though, as you could well imagine
Tell them you want to break your contract with no exit penalties as they are not providing the "nbn" as you thought if they are not offering higher speeds.
They will either have to let you out of your contract and you will be able to churn to a better RSP/ISP, or they will fix it.
I think the whole idea is that the transit (WDM) network would be expensive to extend past the FAN sites into the ones which are part of the LFN.
Sure but given how easily a very small number of users on each node can saturate the link to the FAN it's very very poor planning.
Compare the difference to the GPON design:
2.5/1.25 Gbps split 32 ways (GPON)
Vs
1/1 Gbps split 192 ways (FTTN)
It's a pretty stark difference (78/39 Mbps vs 5/5mbps minimum peak bandwidth).
2.5/1.25 Gbps split 32 ways (GPON)
Vs
I am not total sure that's correct.
Each FAN can be connected by one or more 10gb trunks. Most f them are only connected by 2. There are multiple of up to 576 connections per interface. Thus bandwidth can be low per user. Just like the fttn. Once they hit points of congestion they upgrade and add more trunks. Fttn and fttp contentions are treated the same. The issue is the cvc and carriers not allowing enough cvc.
Then why do they advertise Speedboost to 100/40 for $25 a month ?
I never had the 100/40 Speedboost option on FttN, only Speedboost from 12/1 to 25/5. Maybe Speedboosting to 100/40 was only offered to those on FttP ?
Time to find a new RSP
Been looking around, for example Telecube FttN, though I got another 11 months to go on a 12 month contract.
I never had the 100/40 Speedboost option on FttN,
Certainly starts to explain the decline in 100/40 takeup.
Maybe Speedboosting to 100/40 was only offered to those on FttP ?
I'd would appear so, if you put in an FTTN address the only speed boost option is 25/5 option, but if you put in an FTTP address you can also select 100/40.
if you put in an FTTN address the only speed boost option is 25/5 option, but if you put in an FTTP address you can also select 100/40.
Reality is very few will get to 100 download once the node is loaded..... some might now but that might not continue. Quite a few would get most of a 50/20 plan although few ISPs offer it. Neither of those speeds are guaranteed by NBNCo -they only guarantee 25 Mbps once each 24 hour period..... and if that is reached ISPs can't report an fault.
So no sensible ISP would offer any speed faster than 25/5 as that's the best NBNCo guarantee. Imagine if you paid for 100/40 and it dropped and stayed at say 30/25.... you would be spewing and so would the ISP as they couldn't do anything about it!
Those who voted for FTTN in 2013 are the reason we have been pwned!
I am not total sure that's correct
NBN's own documentation shows all FTTP FDH's connecting straight back to the poi, unlike FTTN nodes which mostly connect to an AAS switch in a FAN then back to the poi.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/cont
The only FTTP external to poi FAN sites are the TFAN's (temporary), all other sites are within the poi as they house the powered OLT cards and their connections into 10 gbps aggregation switches.
Getting connected to fttn today, but reusing my fritzbox. Just to confirm a couple of things.
Do we remove the adsl line filter and connect the model directly to the wall plate/phone line? Or do we leave the filter in place?
In the fritzbox settings, all we need to change is the annex settings to annex b? (I'm with internode).
Do we remove the adsl line filter and connect the model directly to the wall plate/phone line?
Yes, no more filters for FttN ( exception � a VDSL2 filter is required for the next 18 months if a voice pass-thru landline is used � not many RSPs offer this though ).
In our place, it is a direct RJ11 cable from wall socket to ISP's approved VDSL2 modem.
Getting connected to fttn today, but reusing my fritzbox. Just to confirm a couple of things.
Internode have a guide here for connecting Fritzbox to FTTN that may be of help:
http://www.internode.on
Internode have a guide here for connecting Fritzbox to FTTN that may be of help:
http://www.internode.on
Yep thanks saw that, just trying to simplify the instructions for the missus at home to follow. It looks like from reading that the settings are identical to ADSL except for Annex B (and removal of line filter).
Yep thanks saw that
No worries, let us know how you go with the sync speed. There are reports of the 7390 getting both full speeds as well as hobbled speeds on FTTB/N.
No worries, let us know how you go with the sync speed. There are reports of the 7390 getting both full speeds as well as hobbled speeds on FTTB/N.
Yep I'll post my stats, I've only signed on for the 25/5 plan so can't properly test though. Funny thing is we are moving in a couple of weeks anyway.
Do we remove the adsl line filter and connect the model directly to the wall plate/phone line? Or do we leave the filter in place?
If you wish to keep a filter you need a VDSL type as the ADSL Type will no longer work properly, as the line is different frequency on VDSL.
i am wondering. i have seen before a user that you can post ur stats to and will tell you how far away ur node is.
Anyone know this fellas name Rendang or something.
I'll PM you.
Or is there another way to know how far i am from my node.
There are 2 nodes on my street so wondering which one mine is. hopefully its the only only 2 homes away.
For Wagga Fusion table/map and Google Map with custom icons (nodes, pillars ect), this will give you a better idea to workout what node is connected to a pillar(s).
I can't remember where it was posted, but I believe this map is what you need.
https://nbnmtm.cartodb.com/
Not much use if the area you're in isn't shown
let us know how you go with the sync speed. There are reports of the 7390 getting both full speeds as well as hobbled speeds on FTTB/N.
Reporting back:
FritzBox 7390
Plan: Internode 25/5
Sync: 28 / 6.4
Attainable throughput : 72660 / 3869
Signal-to-noise ratio: 25 / 18
Line attenuation: 13 / 18
Speedtest.net reported 23.8 / 4.6
Reporting back:
Thanks for doing that :)
I wonder whether your 72660 attainable throughput down is real, or due to modem limitations... would be interesting to test with other hardware. Given your attainable up is close to 40, perhaps your down could really be closer to 100.
Given your attainable up is close to 40, perhaps your down could really be closer to 100.
VDSL (FTTN) is just like ADSL where the up "buckets" are lower frequency than the down � so up is often closer to the maximum attainable but the down is more limited by cable length and condition.
In general if up speed is poor it means a cable issue on the run to the premise or frequently in the premise. Up speed is also rarely affected by congestion (inadequate ISP's CVC) as few end users hammer the upload.
VDSL (FTTN) is just like ADSL where the up "buckets" are lower frequency than the down � so up is often closer to the maximum attainable but the down is more limited by cable length and condition.
That's not correct, with VDSL the upstream and downstream allocations are interleaved throughout the bandwidth. The 17a VDSL2 profile (17MHz bandwidth) used by NBNCo looks like the asymmetric 998 plan similar to what Chorus has migrated to in NZ:
http://www.telepermit.co.
Broadcom are one of the few manufacturers of chipsets which support Vectoring � and that is essential for our implementation of FTTN (VDSL2 + vectoring).
Compatibility might be another factor.
In the UK we've seen some interesting issues with interoperability between Lantiq's VDSL chipsets and Broadcom � in either combination (BT's main VDSL DSLAM vendor uses Broadcom, the other supplier is Lantiq).
We don't have vectoring but they've had problems enabling G.INP on the Lantiq-based cabinets, and some people have reported that things are very weird with a Broadcom based DSLAM + Lantiq modem.
Meanwhile my Broadcom modem (on a Broadcom based DSLAM) has been flawless � with a nice 10Mbit speed boost when they finally turned on G.INP (I assume NBN has it on already)
BT does have several Lantiq modems on their approved list, so who knows how that happened..
Hi
Do you guys think its worthwhile moving from 50/20 to 100/40?
Below are my stats from the modem on FTTB. Thanks
Mode: VDSL2
Traffic Type: PTM
Status: Up
Link Power State: L0
Downstream Upstream
Line Coding(Trellis): On On
SNR Margin (0.1 dB): 189 183
Attenuation (0.1 dB): 138 192
Output Power (0.1 dBm): 120 47
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 100279 42893
Path 0 Path 1
Downstream Upstream Downstream Upstream
Rate (Kbps): 54999 22600 0 0
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame): 178 195 0 0
M (# of Mux Data Frames in an RS codeword): 1 1 2 2
T (# of Mux Data Frames in an OH sub-frame): 0 0 2 2
R (# of redundancy bytes in the RS codeword): 10 10 16 16
S (# of data symbols over which the RS code word spans): 0.1036 0.2750 8.0000 16.0000
L (# of bits transmitted in each data symbol): 14595 5992 32 16
D (interleaver depth): 16 4 1 1
I (interleaver block size in bytes): 189 206 32 32
N (RS codeword size): 189 206 32 32
Delay (msec): 0 0 0 0
INP (DMT symbol): 43.00 45.00 2.00 4.00
OH Frames: 0 0 2739 2690
OH Frame Errors: 0 0 0 0
RS Words: 1653824 626134 21416 10763
RS Correctable Errors: 0 0 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors: 0 0 0 0
HEC Errors: 0 0 0 0
OCD Errors: 0 0 0 0
LCD Errors: 0 0 0 0
Total Cells: 4653701 0 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0 0 0
Bit Errors: 0 0 0 0
Total ES: 0 0
Total SES: 0 0
Total UAS: 120 120
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 100279 42893
go for it mate!
I hope this is the correct thread. FFTN should be RFS for me very soon. I've just discovered my TP-Link TD8817 (http://www.tp-link.com/en/pr
I see iiNet offers the TG-1 but the post here don't paint it in a good light. The main thing I need is good wireless signal, able to stream video over wireless well and the ability to set static routes. Does anyone have any insight with regards to wireless range and streaming reliability and particularly if you can set static routes on the TG-1?
If you can't set static routes can I connect the TG-1 to my TP-Link Router and use that to broadcast the wireless signal/set routes?
If it's not recommended can anyone please suggest a good FTTN compatible product I can buy?
Cheers.
I wonder whether your 72660 attainable throughput down is real, or due to modem limitations
Plan: Internode 25/5
Sync: 28 / 6.4
That looks plan-limited to me.
I'm on iiNet VDSL2, not with NBN FTTN/VDSL2 (i.e. no vectoring), but with a Fritz!Box 7390, like Jad, and I see:
Max. DSLAM throughput kbit/s: 100016 60016
Attainable throughput kbit/s: 49992 9448
Current throughput kbit/s: 49800 9208
I'm on a grandfathered iiNet 80/20 Mb/s plan. I think they've relaxed the bandwidth limits now to whatever the DSLAM & line can support.
If you look in Modems/Routers>AVM, you'll see people with more favourable connections (I'm on about an 850m line) getting much better throughput than that on a 7390.
No worries, let us know how you go with the sync speed. There are reports of the 7390 getting both full speeds as well as hobbled speeds on FTTB/N.
Now that I'm connected myself, I think I might be seeing hobbled throughput with my Fritz!box 7390.
On a FTTN 100/40 plan, my modem stats:
Max DSLAM throughput: 109000 44200
Attainable throughput: 101332 46617
Current throughput: 88792 44168
Will try the provided Netcomm modem when I get time and compare throughputs. If an improvement I can always then run this in bridge mode to my Fritz!box.
If there's a fair chance a node will be installed outside of my property (i'm on a corner block at the entrance intersection for a housing estate and have both a footpath pit and a pillar right next to my fence line) � can I install a new conduit and lead-in from the side of my house (which is closest to the pillar) to the boundary near the pillar?
...in hopes that I can be connected to the node using this rather than the existing lead-in. My existing two-pair lead-in appears to enter my house at a location which is the furthest possible from the aforementioned boundary pillar and/or pit. I fear this might mean my connection to pit or pillar is elsewhere on the block/estate, rather than the one outside my fence.
I have a DBYD from Telstra, but am not very good at reading them, so I don't actually know where I'm connected to. I just know where I can see the lead-in conduit coming out of the ground and into the building.
If there's a fair chance a node will be installed outside of my property (i'm on a corner block at the entrance intersection for a housing estate and have both a footpath pit and a pillar right next to my fence line) � can I install a new conduit and lead-in from the side of my house (which is closest to the pillar) to the boundary near the pillar?
...in hopes that I can be connected to the node using this rather than the existing lead-in. My existing two-pair lead-in appears to enter my house at a location which is the furthest possible from the aforementioned boundary pillar and/or pit. I fear this might mean my connection to pit or pillar is elsewhere on the block/estate, rather than the one outside my fence.
I have a DBYD from Telstra, but am not very good at reading them, so I don't actually know where I'm connected to. I just know where I can see the lead-in conduit coming out of the ground and into the building.
As far as I remember you're responsible for the lead-in conduit from the pit to your premises but you can't pull in the cable � that's done by the authorised contractor (Telstra in days gone by and still today if they have the service contract with NBN. It's highly unlikely that your lead-in will go anywhere other than straight out the front of your house but if you do run a new lead-in conduit then you need to make sure it runs to the same place and you need to follow some rules on placement and number of bends. From memory at least 400mm above ground, on the outside wall, only one sweep bend at each end and must be white communications conduit minimum 25mm. The you need to make available a cable into your house below where the Madison box will be mounted.
If you're that close to where the node will be installed then I don't think it will matter if your conduit runs a few extra metres � you'll still get maximum FTTN speed or close to it and you won't have to dig up your yard, which can be a major PITA once you find a gas line or power cable in the way.
Backhaul upgrade info:
in hopes that I can be connected to the node using this rather than the existing lead-in.
I doubt this will help. The basic principle of the FTTN rollout is to modify the existing copper layout as little as possible, which in practice means just the bit between the node and the pillar, plus, very reluctantly a bit of remediation between the pillar and premises in cases of extreme poor quality copper. My guess is that they would frown on a bit of once-off custom copper from your property boundary to the Node/pillar, even if they are only a metre apart. No rollout likes special cases that depart from the standard. Hope I am wrong.
Hope I am wrong.
You're not unfortunately, very little is done unless they merge to smaller DAs into one larger DA (and in those cases, it is only from the original pillar to the new one)
Hi, I have the NBN currently being rolled out to my area, estimated Nov 16 for service availability.
I have worked out my DA from here www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au
And have found a Telstra pillar and what appears to be a NBN node cabinet a few meters away which is a recent install, my question is will there be only one pillar or NBN node in my DA? or can there be several?
Cheers.
there could be a couple. i know in my area there is a new development behind us which got its own new pillar installed and node next to the existing pit for the streets.
node beautification project underway?
or a local residents sick and tired of graffiti?
This is hand painted, not a stick on
Wonder if the AFP will be called in to find out who interfered with nbn� equipment
http://i63.tinypic.com/iz6wt3.jpg
node beautification project underway?
Probably the most likely.
Wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow they put on their blog how they have just completed a trial program to help "brighten and interact with the community".
Their community satisfaction survey (of one person who happened to walk past that may or may not be a member of the community) will agree it's is a great improvement and worth while project so they will announce that they will be commencing full rollout of the project at the bargain basement cost of $1,000 per Node.
bargain basement cost of $1,000 per Node.
for materials,
$10,000 for management of contract per node,
$15,000 to Prime contractor to arrange work per node.
work done by a work for the dole recipient
edit:- corrected dollar amounts, left off a zero,
bit like some politician's budget figures I guess.
My excuse is I only have myself as a proof reader, they have entire departments
I have a few questions. My SAM has had a lot building going on at the start of July, with most DAs having a node base or even a node placed already. One DA was built and node placed in 2days!.
My question is, most of the construction has happened down the middle of the SAM with the outer few DAs having no work started. Will these outer DA nodes not be built until the SAMs next to them are started? Or maybe they just leave them til later?
Also i wanted to get my home wired with a single new line inside to a single socket. Currently I have 4 sockets, 2 aren't used and one that runs about 40-50outside. Will I see speeds better and stable is I remove all these sockets and leave just 1 new line. House is easily 40yrs old.
Thanks guys.
or a local residents sick and tired of graffiti?
I wish someone with some artistic talent would do something like this to my local bus shelter.
I've made numerous written complaints with photo's since late last year, and each time responded to that something will be done. It gets handballed back and forth between my local council, TfNSW and some local joint government agency graffiti board.
Frustrating. I think some hardcore punishment for offenders is the only way to deal with graffiti "artists".
Hi guys
I live in a previous RIM/ISAM/etc infested suburb. I currently sync ADSL2+ at 18,000/1000
The calculations show that i am possibly 1300m from the pillar at the moment... based on this data I got when I signed up a few years ago (I'm just guessing that the sum of the below numbers is my current total distance):
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 177, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 212, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 249, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 174, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 26, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 73, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 71, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 116, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 88, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 84, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : CPFUT , cableLength : 88, cableGauge : 0.40
cableSectionGroup : 0
CableType : PEIFLI , cableLength : 40, cableGauge : 0.40
Is it likely the cable will be altered so it is shorter? FTTN has commenced in my area, and I've seen a few new pillars and green boxes go up.
Cool. Went for a walk today throughout my DA. Its only the one node and they have just installed a new pillar next to the current one. 220mtrs walk from my house, so im hoping for some pretty high speeds as ive only been getting max 7.5mbps for the last 10yrs I've lived here..
ok so im with telstra for fttn and for the life of me i couldnt find out ehy my ping was 12 ms and other fttn rsp users had 6ms or lower. i recently aquired a dgnd3700v1 and set it up for vdsl. ping times still 11 ms.. i found that the phYr settings in my netgear was on for down but off for up. so i changed it to on for both and pings are now 6ms solid. So any gamers looking for the best possible ping get a 3rd party vdsl modem!!
from http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5496928158
to http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5500019392
My question is, most of the construction has happened down the middle of the SAM with the outer few DAs having no work started. Will these outer DA nodes not be built until the SAMs next to them are started? Or maybe they just leave them til later?
The node build in Wagga has been completely random. Sometimes starts in the inner areas before the outer but most of it has been mixed between both.
Also i wanted to get my home wired with a single new line inside to a single socket. Currently I have 4 sockets, 2 aren't used and one that runs about 40-50outside. Will I see speeds better and stable is I remove all these sockets and leave just 1 new line. House is easily 40yrs old.
It is best to have a single line. Shorter the run, the better it can be.
Thanks for the reply ADSL2+. From what I understand FTTN is designed to have a node for every DA near it's pillar, with the odd chance of 2 DAs being joined together. Theres a node about 750-850m away in another DA next to mine. Would they use that node to service our area too, seems crazy because our 2 DAs are quite large. There's a pillar 430m cable length from my house, so I guess I'm hoping they build a node there that will service our DA. I know I saw markings spray painted on the ground..but that was like 4months ago and construction only started this month with RFS for end of Oct.
$10,00 for management of contract per node,
$15,00 to Prime contractor to arange work per node.
$1k or $10k?
$1k5 or $15k?
$1k or $10k?
$1k5 or $15k?
doh!!!! bangs head on desk
$10K
$15K
will fix original post
node beautification project underway?
And a blog from our NZ colleagues facing the same problem!!
https://blog.chorus.co.nz/cabinet-art-gallery/
Even submarine cable landings now end up with not much more than a box on the side of the road.
It's obviously best to allow the locals to put their creativity into action rather than wait for the vandals /s
Some of the traffic light control boxes in Canberra got similar decoration back in 2005. I think that more may have been done since.
From what I understand FTTN is designed to have a node for every DA near it's pillar, with the odd chance of 2 DAs being joined together.
it's also possible that a DA might be split if engineering concerns dictate it.
Theres a node about 750-850m away in another DA next to mine. Would they use that node to service our area too, seems crazy because our 2 DAs are quite large.
there really is no way of determining what will happen based on simply distance and location.
i have two queries.
a) does anyone know if homes with easements cause any particular issues with FttN?
b) does the term 'infrastructure under construction' mean something physically needs rectifying, or not necessarily?
i'm curious as many houses on my street [RFS back in march] have a message saying that further work is needed and "infrastructure under construction", although a couple homes (either side of me) are fine. nbn says i am service class 10 and still in the FttN footprint, but were unable to give me any reason for the issue.
anyway our street has a lot of odd shaped blocks with some having easements which made me wonder if this had something to do with it � i.e maybe originally there were less blocks to be serviced by copper but were at some point subdivided?
nbn said easements would not be the problem but i had a sense they had not come across the question before.
p.s i did search the term but others in a similar boat seem to be classed as MDU's and i could find nothing specifically relating to standalone houses
b) does the term 'infrastructure under construction' mean something physically needs rectifying, or not necessarily?
it can be "not necessarily"
my line was able to be connected in Feb 2016, made enquries, but due to number porting issues had to hold off.
But then when I tried to connect 2 weeks ago I was told that construction was planned and more work was needed, even though every house around me showed as still being able to connect.
After w ekk of back ond forth from RSP to nbn� it was rectified
nbn� database seems to get corrupted pretty regularly
Getting connected tomorrow, someone at internode said to turn off my adsl router before the connection as it can trick out the FTTN but I just rang tech support and they said I don't have to worry. What is the right answer?
What is the right answer?
Turn it off. Sometimes if an ADSL modem is left on when the changeover happens, it might lock up the port on the NBN Dslam.
Cheers, will do.
What is the right answer?
All depends. The generic settings I found for FTTN NBN are:
VDSL2
Vectoring enabled
G.INP enabled
Dynamic IP (Automatic IP)
If your current modem/router can support the above settings, then there is no need to unplug. Otherwise unplug, as any other settings will end up getting your DSL Port blocked.
All depends. The generic settings I found for FTTN NBN are:
VDSL2
Vectoring enabled
G.INP enabled
Dynamic IP (Automatic IP)
If your current modem/router can support the above settings, then there is no need to unplug. Otherwise unplug, as any other settings will end up getting your DSL Port blocked.
Yeah pretty sure my current router doesn't do VDSL2 so will be plugging the new one I was given once the change over has gone through. Ta.
it can be "not necessarily"
cheers. similar situation � was able to get it and started making inquiries but have held off for a few reasons then noticed the status had changed. not in any rush at least � just curious as to what is going on.
at least nbnco have clarified i am still getting FttN � was worried initially as i am 1.2+k's from the node [possibly as much as 1.6 depending] and thought maybe they decided they couldn't service the street.
nbn� database seems to get corrupted pretty regularly
maybe it is just some silly thing like that.
secretly i was hoping for an upgrade due to the distance, but as neighbours can get it i must presume no upgrade.
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