Chủ Nhật, 2 tháng 10, 2016

FTTN - Bundaberg part 1

  • 2015-Apr-30, 8:54 am
    Swift1 Only By Fibre

    fynrDzynr writes...

    NBN has to look like it's taking big strides of progress . . . cabinets stand out more where they're unexpected.

    Bottom line though is there are no node users in Australia yet and none soon, note that the wording TRIAL is still in use which means ?????? will it work, lol I think it will not work out any better speed wise than cleaning up the wiring for adsl2+ connections.

  • 2015-Apr-30, 8:54 am
    fynrDzynr

    Swift1 Only By Fibre writes...

    will it work, lol I think it will not work out any better speed wise than cleaning up the wiring for adsl2+ connections.

    But that's irrelevant as far as MalcolmT & his pen-pushing (fudging) mates are concerned.

  • 2015-Apr-30, 12:28 pm
    chuzzwassa
    O.P.

    To The Point writes...

    Some yes... But a minority... probably because they are in a developing business or residential estate.

    So do you think these premises in developing areas aren't entitled to be connected to a Node.

    I haven't driven around the back streets to look for nodes, but the ones you can see from the major roads are not near any residential areas. The mynbn site only shows locations of the silver torpedoes � is there a map of actual nodes?

    There aren't any "developing business or residential estate"s that I know of in Bundaberg, but if there are, they would be way out of town and probably not in the trial zone. Besides, they would be called "greenfields" right? I believe they would be entitled to FTTP.

  • 2015-Apr-30, 12:28 pm
    To The Point
    this post was edited

    chuzzwassa writes...

    I haven't driven around the back streets to look for nodes, but the ones you can see from the major roads are not near any residential areas

    Maybe you should.....
    you have picked out two out of 141 Nodes to highlight as isolated or not warranted.

    One in a business estate that will eventually fill up.
    C'mon have a decent look around.

  • 2015-Apr-30, 6:38 pm
    Hic

    chuzzwassa writes...

    ynbn site only shows locations of the silver torpedoes � is there a map of actual nodes?

    Try this http://fttn.mynbn.info/?esa=BBEG

  • 2015-Apr-30, 6:38 pm
    chuzzwassa
    O.P.

    To The Point writes...

    Maybe you should.....

    Hence why I asked if there is a map of where the nodes are. If NBN Co^W^Wnbn� won't supply the whereabouts of the nodes, then it looks like its up to me to find them. And yes, I do know about the mynbn web site, but it seems to show only the silver torpedo locations � if each torpedo will have a node near it, then there is a lot more work to do because I don't see nodes at the locations on the map.

    you have picked out two out of 141 Nodes to highlight as isolated or not warranted.

    Agreed. I was going to mention that in my previous reply, but its kinda obvious. There are at least 5 nodes now known to not be in a residential area, and I haven't even tried looking for others. I'm sure there are more, albeit a small percentage.

    But that is not the point. My OP asked for a status update on the trial so far, because it seems this "more transparent" NBN Co^W^Wnbn� is not providing any information about what is happening here in Bundaberg. Guess we'll just have to wait until end of June for the construction to finish, and then another 4 months before we can sign up.

  • To The Point

    chuzzwassa writes...

    if each torpedo will have a node near it, then there is a lot more work to do because I don't see nodes at the locations on the map.

    The last if the 141 Node's will be stood within the next 2 weeks then the copper work finished off to them.

    End of June deadline should be met.

    Majority of the Node's are well within 100 Mt of the existing pillar.
    Some are around the corner or over the road etc but are there.

    CBD & Nth Bundy Nodes getting stood as we speak
    After this wet weather that is!
    The rest are done.

  • woodzy85

    I'll have to wait to 2020 im guessing as there isnt anything in the maps for avoca/millbank area.

  • 2015-Apr-30, 11:49 pm
    fynrDzynr
    this post was edited

    There are a few streets in Millbank in the current build and I see some of Avoca is slated for Fixed Wireless from Gooburrum so 2020 might be a bit pessimistic on your part.

  • 2015-Apr-30, 11:49 pm
    sinr_88

    Has the trial started in the Bundaberg area? quite interested to see what kind of speeds you get at around the 3.5Km mark... I recently found out that I will be getting FTTN and the nearest cabinet to me is around 3.5Km away so would be interested in the results.

    Currently getting <5mbps on adsl2+ down and <1mbps up

    Cheers,

    sinr_88

  • 2015-May-1, 12:26 am
    fynrDzynr

    iirc they're hoping to have the infrastructure in place by EOFY so it'll be a while yet

  • 2015-May-1, 12:26 am
    To The Point

    sinr_88 writes...

    I recently found out that I will be getting FTTN and the nearest cabinet to me is around 3.5Km away so would be interested in the results.

    Sorry but if you are 3.5 km from a Node your in trouble.:(
    FW is more likely IMO

  • 2015-May-1, 5:54 am
    fynrDzynr

    sinr_88 writes...

    the nearest cabinet to me is around 3.5Km away
    It's still "under construction" so no point assuming that's where you'll be connected

  • 2015-May-1, 5:54 am
    Pidge

    Just to clear this up, if there is a NBN Cabinet next to a Node (Silver Torpedo) then that area will be getting FTTN/HFC?

  • 2015-May-1, 11:50 pm
    aliali

    Pidge writes...

    if there is a NBN Cabinet next to a Node (Silver Torpedo) then that area will be getting FTTN/HFC?

    Fttn only. HFC coverage is not being expanded except (possibly) in existing HFC areas to fill in missed premises and streets.

  • 2015-May-1, 11:50 pm
    Pidge

    aliali writes...

    Fttn only. HFC coverage is not being expanded except (possibly) in existing HFC areas to fill in missed premises and streets.

    Thanks Aliali

  • 2015-Jun-17, 3:56 pm
    To The Point

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    but yes if they are pole mounted, then some pics would be nice (

    Not pole mounted in Bundy.

    There were to be 3 or 4 initially installed but they got re-designed & these were upgraded to 384's or 192's.

    Only one Micro-NODE is in existence In this near finished trial area.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 3:56 pm
    To The Point

    cw writes...

    Pics or it didn't happen ;

    Put your head in the sand � yet again.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 3:57 pm
    To The Point

    Tandem TrainRider writes...

    particular how it will be powered and what � if any � redundancy there is.

    It will /has 240 connected to it.
    It will have cards � batteries X&C pairs 48 (if required) and
    Its own fibre.

    Its just a stand alone smaller version of a 192 NODE that's all.

    Nothing sinister or special about it.

    Its just far easier & cheaper to install that's all.
    (Less work = Less money)

  • 2015-Jun-17, 3:57 pm
    pdonovan

    To The Point writes...

    Its just a stand alone smaller version of a 192 NODE that's all.

    Nothing sinister or special about it.

    Its just far easier & cheaper to install that's all.
    (Less work = Less money)

    Perhaps this is a naive question, but what's the difference in work required to install a 192 line node with only 48 lines connected, versus a 48 line node with them all connected? You still have to put down a concrete pad, connect fibre and connect power surely?

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:08 pm
    Dazed and Confused.

    To The Point writes...

    It will /has 240 connected to it.
    It will have cards � batteries X&C pairs 48 (if required) and
    Its own fibre.

    Its just a stand alone smaller version of a 192 NODE that's all.

    Nothing sinister or special about it.

    Its just far easier & cheaper to install that's all.
    (Less work = Less money)

    ah, so it isn't a "micronode" of a 4, 24 or 48 premises type , just a smaller FTTN cabinet?

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:08 pm
    To The Point

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    ah, so it isn't a "micronode" of a 4, 24 or 48 premises type , just a smaller FTTN cabinet?

    Its being called a Micro Node by Telstra � NBN & all involved in it's deployment & it does have 48 ports.

    But it's roadside based.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:24 pm
    To The Point

    pdonovan writes...

    You still have to put down a concrete pad, connect fibre and connect power surely?

    This Micro Node sits on plastic base (the size of 5 pit) dug into the ground.

    Can be installed completely in a matter of hours.
    No concrete pouring or boxing or finishing required.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:24 pm
    cw

    To The Point writes...

    Put your head in the sand � yet again.

    Maybe if you aren't prepared to post any pics of what seems to be installed in a public space maybe there are so keen eyed observers that might be so kind.

    (PS: My head is free of sand... you did see the smiley?)

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:27 pm
    Tandem TrainRider

    To The Point writes...

    This Micro Node sits on plastic base (the size of 5 pit) dug into the ground.

    Thanks for the info.

    I must say though, it does sound rather portable.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:27 pm
    To The Point

    Tandem TrainRider writes...

    I must say though, it does sound rather portable.

    No it's not ...the plastic base it's sitting on is dug into the ground .
    Basically a plastic pit 600+ mms deep without a concrete lid with conduits entering it.
    With a Plastic locked Micro Node shell secured on top.
    Where the equipment will be housed.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:39 pm
    Dazed and Confused.

    To The Point writes...

    No it's not ...the plastic base it's sitting on is dug into the ground .
    Basically a plastic pit 600+ mms deep without a concrete lid with conduits entering it.
    With a Plastic locked Micro Node shell secured on top.
    Where the equipment will be housed.

    so these are on a P5 size pit?

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:39 pm
    Geo101

    To The Point writes...

    Where the equipment will be housed.

    So they just tap into an existing joint in the pit below, and extend that into a distribution frame inside the cabinet?

    Cabinet with no pillar effectively?

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:44 pm
    To The Point
    this post was edited

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    so these are on a P5 size pit?

    It's similar in size & depth to a P5 pit... but is not technically a 5 pit.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:44 pm
    To The Point
    this post was edited

    Geo101 writes...

    Cabinet with no pillar effectively?

    No joints in the Micro Node base just X&C cables & the fibre hauled back to a actual pit & a control joint will be fitted onto the existing O side cables.

    So no pillar or cabinet needed (so less costs as well)

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:57 pm
    Geo101

    To The Point writes...

    So no pillar or cabinet needed (so less costs as well)

    So not cheap and nasty like throwing a DPGS RU into an existing pit.

    control joint will be fitted

    So is there no distribution frame or jumpering in the node enclosure itself?

    (That is, do you need to grovel around in the pit to make new connections or do testing)

  • 2015-Jun-17, 4:57 pm
    Dazed and Confused.

    just out of curiousity can you please explain

    X, C and O cables and what a control joint is

  • 2015-Jun-17, 7:48 pm
    Geo101

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    X, C and O cables and what a control joint is

    I'm pretty sure from memory...

    X is usually an exchange facing pair, or connection point into equipment (such as DSLAMS, pair gains, etc)
    C is likewise the line facing outwards, or connection point from equipment
    O is the distribution pair you join the service to

    CJ is just a designation for a joint which acts as a distribution point for something like a remote unit. It's generally just a normal joint, but you can cross connect in it, and thats basically how it shows in the cable records.

    (Joints don't normally have cross connects recorded individually. They are normally done as ranges and only show up in actual cable plans, not in systems like NPAMS. If you recorded every joint in a service there would be millions of records, and most would simply show a 1 to 1 connection)

  • 2015-Jun-17, 7:48 pm
    To The Point

    Geo101 writes...

    So is there no distribution frame or jumpering in the node enclosure itself?

    There will be... but it's likely NBN will hard wire/jumper all 48 circuit's in & out of the Node.

    So any migration work/ connections will happen in the control joint in a adjacent pit only.

  • 2015-Jun-17, 7:59 pm
    To The Point

    Geo101 writes...

    I'm pretty sure from memory...

    Pretty much covered it . Good job

  • 2015-Jun-17, 7:59 pm
    Di Gesic

    chuzzwassa writes...

    I've stopped at a few places to take some pics: http://imgur.com/a/c8brz?gallery

    I talked to the Telstra dude who was working on the tourism centre node � he said it wasn't even connected to power yet!

    The one at the tourist centre / nurses memorial park is two blocks and a main road away from me in Woondooma St.,(all the medical business's and hospital will be pleased in that part of Bourbong Street.) the one at the paint shop across from Office Works is a bit further away .

    I will keep a eye out for green boxes up Branyan, Mulgrave and Woondooma Streets, or when NBN put one out the front of me I will be happy...

  • 2015-Jun-18, 9:10 am
    To The Point

    Di Gesic writes...

    will keep a eye out for green boxes up Branyan, Mulgrave and Woondooma Streets, or when NBN put one out the front of me I will be happy

    Sorry but all Nodes have been stood with the exception of one outside the Hinkler Central shopping center.

    So your place will be feeding off a Node already stood nearby.

  • 2015-Jun-18, 9:10 am
    cw
    this post was edited

    To The Point writes...

    It will have cards � batteries X&C pairs 48 (if required) and
    Its own fibre.

    Despite what you might think I am genuinely interested in understanding what is going on in the field, what is actually being built. In light of that I have a couple of questions;

    • How many lines can the micronode support? Is it limited to 48?
    • Will it support vectoring? (Presumably it does)
    • Will it support bonding? (Presumably it does)
    • What are the cards for? Network modules or voice?
    • What fibre connection do they use? GPON, GE, 10GE?
    • How is power fed to it? Will this place restrictions on where they can be used?

    Overall I think this is a positive development in MTM if the micronodes are sufficiently capable.

    (PS: I'd still genuinely love to see a photo, or even a google map location so someone else could whip out their smartphone.)

    [edit] Do they look anything like the micronode shown at this point in the video? https://youtu.be/GQwJ73TinOA?list=UUB4MBMGaIN6zcfWHLJLwZlA

  • 002

    I can go grab a pic of it if anyone knows (and is willing to share) the location :)

  • ClaudeKrowe

    002 writes...

    willing to share) the location

    Is this mid way down Page 4 of this thread?

    User denmark555 & To The Point posts - off Tanitha Rd, possible spot, but have a read first before you waste valuable time

    Have a check on here too

    www.mynbn.info

  • Magus

    cw writes...

    How many lines can the micronode support? Is it limited to 48?

    Assuming these micronodes are an AL 7357 SEM..

    48 ports! Can do vectored and bonded (of course bonded reduces service numbers, requires adjacent ports available and has EUC requirements)

    1Gb or 2.5Gb connection to controlling node.
    This would be a contention issue if the system could deliver better than 50Mbps/user

    Controlled from a 7330 ISAM. Does not need to be the closest (fibre). Each ISAM can only control a limited number (4 from memory, but may be 4/card, 4 cards)

  • RockyMarciano

    Question, can these mini-nodes be used for a FTTP if you paid for it later?
    or would it have to go back to the main node?

  • Dazed and Confused.

    here are a couple of pics of a micronode cover, have another pic, but am checking something first

    http://i58.tinypic.com/30be3vp.jpg

    and

    http://i59.tinypic.com/1z5nu49.jpg

  • Magus

    RockyMarciano writes...

    Question, can these mini-nodes be used for a FTTP if you paid for it later?

    There are two types of mini nodes. One is the 48 or less version. This is effectivly a dumb version, controlled by the attached ISAM.

    The other version is essentially a shelf module from the ISAM that is located at another site. This can have different cards loaded, and so could have a FTTP card loaded. It still has some dependancy on the parent ISAM.
    It would likely be cheaper to roll out a second FTTP network though, as the fibre cost is minimal, and the splitters cost far less than a single FTTP card, and the card limits the expansion of the box.

    So, one type you can think of as a 10/100 unmanaged switch connected to the main switch, the other as a managed switch that is part of a stack but located elsewhere.

    BT originally used some FTTP cards, but now does a second FTTP network, placed under the FTTN network, but serving far less homes.

  • 2015-Jun-18, 1:28 pm
    keeno 111

    What's the average sort of speed coming out of Bundaberg? is there even any data? Wouldn't mind know what the average speed is for download and upload.

  • 2015-Jun-18, 1:28 pm
    Nick

    There aren't any paying customers connected. Starts next quarter I believe.

  • 2015-Jun-18, 1:33 pm
    Dazed and Confused.

    keeno 111 writes...

    What's the average sort of speed coming out of Bundaberg? is there even any data? Wouldn't mind know what the average speed is for download and upload.

    there are currently NO retail customers connectedto a node in ANY FTTN area.

    Retail connections are expected to start commencing in Q4 according to the nbn� or NBNCo Integrated Product Road Map

  • 2015-Jun-18, 1:33 pm
    Geo101
    this post was edited

    RockyMarciano writes...

    Question, can these mini-nodes be used for a FTTP if you paid for it later?

    As you are installing a 48 port mini-node, you would imagine a minimun of a 6 fibre cable feeding the node. Obvoiusly only one would be used for the feed to the mini-node, so you'd have 5 spare, and even with only having 16 ONT's per OLT, that means you already have enough fibres to complete that area.

    In any case, pulling in a new fibre to an existing node point through existing ducts is by no means a big issue.

    (Current NBN FTTP is 16 services per OLT, so more than enough to cover a 48 port node)

    The mini-node wouldn't be the first option for a GPON card, nor the ISAM because the stock standard card probably has 4 or 8 GPON OLT's on it which would be pointless for a few FoD services.

    It would be much cheaper to use one that was already equipped somewhere nearby like your short or long term local FAN.

    It may indeed look like a "noodle network" as G earl of Ark would explain it, but the FTTP is an overlay, so no real point in using the FTTN infrustructure to supply GPON OLT's, unless you really had to.

    In the trial threads, it already been mentioned that they simply don't have the room in the shelves in the cabinets anyhow. The cards are probably worth a small fortune...

  • 2015-Jun-18, 1:58 pm
    keeno 111

    Oh okay, Thanks for replying, should be interesting.

  • 2015-Jun-18, 1:58 pm
    Geo101
    this post was edited

    The Great Jarl aARQ-vark writes...

    But rather only "mentioned" at Senate Estimates

    The only reason they aren't going down this road in full, is that it will massively increase the cost.

    Pretty much the same deal as the FTTP/FW/Satellite formulae.

    The micro-nodes will look good on paper, and in a FTTN rollout, answer some hard economic and political questions.

    But for the FTTN plan in the NBN context to be economically successfull, that will effectively mean to limit them as much as possible.

    That is, to basically delay the FTTP as long as possible, whilst gettiing the 25Mbps, etc, etc...

  • 2015-Jun-18, 3:32 pm
    Geo101

    Dazed and Confused. writes...

    I would describe that as a trunk and branch arrangement

    Delayed answer. Take the main pairs away from the solution, and you don't have the trunk and branch anymore.

  • 2015-Jun-18, 3:32 pm
    Geo101
    this post was edited

    cw writes...

    Overall I think this is a positive development in MTM if the micronodes are sufficiently capable.

    It is and it isn't.

    The micro-nodes will pretty much be able to do all the good stuff normal nodes do, but the more they put them in, that will mean the better speeds the end user will get.

    This will delay the economic case of getting fibre to the end user... See the conundrum.

    I know a lot of Whirlpoolers see this in theory, but not the reality of having a "good" FTTN rollout done to it's potential.

    It's not all bad, but we have other things called budgets and change of governemnts, and this could work against the end goal, simply because both the micro-nodes and FTTP might not add up.

    Already TTP has said that they initially were going for 3-4 micro nodes, then changed their mind and opted for normal ones.

    I suspect that once money dry's up, micronodes won't even be an option, which will mean waiting for the normal nodes to make a buck so FTTP becomes viable, which may be an extended period of time...

    Anyhow, I have faith that technology will win in the end!!

    Mebe they will get cheaper by the dozen?

  • 2015-Jun-18, 3:47 pm
    Geo101

    The Great Jarl aARQ-vark writes...

    as provided in New Zealand

    The Rural Broadband Initiative

    Government is also making sure that rural New Zealanders can enjoy the benefits of faster, better internet through the Rural Broadband Initiative (RBI).

    Because UFB isn�t feasible for every rural community, broadband internet using existing infrastructure with peak speeds of 5Mbps (megabits per second) is being provided to more than 90% of homes and businesses outside of UFB areas.

    http://www.med.govt.nz/sectors-industries/technology-communication/fast-broadband

  • 2015-Jun-18, 3:47 pm
    aARQ-vark

    To The Point writes...

    Sorry to burst your bubble but fact is one is installed & ready to be commissioned in Bundy

    Do you have references to these micro nodes in the Corporate Plan and a valid Business Case which would also be appreciated and how these will be deployed in the FTTN network the LNP are edit are attempting to implement!

  • 2015-Jun-18, 3:49 pm
    3x0dus
  • 2015-Jun-18, 3:49 pm
    cw

    3x0dus writes...

    This but green?

    Just like those in the photos that were taken today I reckon.

    /forum-replies.cfm?t=2392754&p=7#r127

  • ROO

    I don't think the red box is saying its wrong, it maybe just to draw your attention to the link that leads to further discussion,
    I think what the article means is summed up by this post...
    (If the maximum that NBN Co can guarantee is 12/1 then no RSP will be able to offer a service above 12/1 in the co-existence period without potentially breaking Consumer Law) stress on the word potentially. Unless something new has surfaced in the mean time but they had a simular problem in the UK.

  • ROO

    The article isn't wrong the NBN documentation is wrong or maybe it's right and the NBN is lying to cover their tracks who can tell with the MTM NBN there have been so many lies.

  • 2015-Oct-18, 10:00 pm
    cw

    ROO writes...

    If the maximum that NBN Co can guarantee is 12/1 then no RSP will be able to offer a service above 12/1 in the co-existence period without potentially breaking Consumer Law

    When people look at this issue they often overlook the crucial aspect that all the faster VDSL2 (FTTN and FTTB) are actually specified as a range.

    The post transition AVC speeds are;

    • 12/1
    • 25/5
    • 25-50/5-20
    • 25-100/5-40

    However, during the coexistence period the AVC speeds are reduced to;

    • 12/1
    • 12-25/1-5
    • 12-50/1-20
    • 12-100/1-40

    It should be clear where the 12/1 minimum talk comes from from those speed ranges.

    The other thing that is important is the PIR only needs to occur somewhere in the range once in a 24 hour period.

    Also relevant is that the minimum speed for a reporting a fault and to trigger remediation is reduced to 12/1 during the coexistence period instead of 25/5.

    I hope that clears it up.

  • 2015-Oct-18, 10:00 pm
    ROO

    Thanks for clearing that up cw.

  • 2015-Oct-18, 10:49 pm
    ROO

    @ cw
    Do you know what the bandwidth is at each node, I have heard reports that its about 2Gb per node, do you know if this is true or false. I also read that the average speed of VDSL2+ in New Zealand is about 13mpbs if that is still the case its not much better than what I have already on ADSL.

  • 2015-Oct-18, 10:49 pm
    sylon

    ROO writes...

    Do you know what the bandwidth is at each node, I have heard reports that its about 2Gb per node, do you know if this is true or false. I also read that the average speed of VDSL2+ in New Zealand is about 13mpbs if that is still the case its not much better than what I have already on ADSL.

    TransACT's FTTN in Canberra is pretty fast. Its not unusual for people to get 80Mbps down and 40Mbps up. Their max node distance is about 300 metres so it really depends on what NBN decide to do with the spacing of their nodes.

  • 2015-Oct-19, 8:40 am
    Dazed and Confused.

    sylon writes...

    TransACT's FTTN in Canberra is pretty fast. Its not unusual for people to get 80Mbps down and 40Mbps up. Their max node distance is about 300 metres so it really depends on what NBN decide to do with the spacing of their nodes.

    also a lot of TransACT's lines are cabled in Cat 5 ethernet cables, not the old telephone cables that will be used for nbn� FTTN

  • 2015-Oct-19, 8:40 am
    Nick

    ROO writes...

    Do you know what the bandwidth is at each node, I have heard reports that its about 2Gb per node,

    That is what it starts at for each node. nbn will monitor the links and upgrade accordingly. I believe the gear is capable of 40gbps all up if pushed to the max.

  • 2015-Oct-19, 8:58 am
    ClaudeKrowe

    ROO writes...

    who can tell with the MTM NBN there have been so many lies.

    I can easily see why you would feel this way ROO,

    Under the Libs & the new breed nbn, there is a very large information filter and it is So difficult to get any decent information. Particularly for straight information on schedules for regional Queensland towns.

    Deception of the populous is the name of the nbn game!

    As we draw closer to Christmas, we get the early "gift" of dates for To The NODE technology � three years out � WOW thanks

    A lot can happen in that time, including a Federal election, Labor (via Jason Clare) offers a return to FTTP, ditching the unpopular rotting copper Final Loop shambles that is the MTM. We will see large areas of the digital haves and the HAVE Nots under this regime as the world jumps over us in leaps and bounds in internet connectivity ...

    Here the rant endeth
    Claudekrowe

  • 2015-Oct-19, 8:58 am
    ROO

    Thanks for the info Nick

  • 2015-Oct-19, 9:13 am
    sylon

    40Gbps ? wow. I guess by 2050? �\_(?)_/�

  • 2015-Oct-19, 9:13 am
    ThirdRonnie

    ClaudeKrowe writes...

    Deception of the populous populace is the name of the nbn game!

    It's not just the NBN game, it's the politics game. At least the libs are consistent and everything they say is a lie.

    abor (via Jason Clare) offers a return to FTTP

    Read the articles again. That promise has the same hollow ring to it that Turnbull's pre-election promise that all of Tasmania would be on fibre had. Here I sit in 7-DSF waiting up to 3 years for FTTN.

  • 2015-Oct-19, 9:51 am
    ClaudeKrowe

    I may be wrong (especially on Tasmania)

    But was there not a big legal fight with VisionStream down in Tas, which held things up for a very long time?

    ON Clare,

    You are entitled to your opinion, but at least we have clear cut alternatives, Vote LNP for continuation of the same snail pace roll out (Copper service last loop only)

    OR

    More fibre (Lab)

    Krowey

  • 2015-Oct-19, 9:51 am
    ROO

    @ThirdRonnie,

    To be fair to Jason Clare he is not in a position to give 100% comfirmation of what Labor can do not knowing what contracts will be signed or their binding agreements between now and the next election. I think most supports of FTTH would like the foot print extended as far as possible so even those that end up with FTTN or HCF can see light at the end of their tunnel to getting full fibre one day. Labor message is to support the largest foot print possible given the circumstances. One thing I'm certain of is that those people who end up with FTTN (and the current government stays in power) will have it for a very long time and we will be returning here sometime in the near future to argue this whole thing out all over again.

  • 2015-Oct-19, 9:56 am
    ROO

    Tasmania
    Wasn't there asbestos pit problems and Telstra dragged their feet replacing them knowing that a Coalition government would be more generous to them. Remember just recently Turnbull wrote to the ACCC asking that Telstra get more money for access charges. Didn't anyone else find that strange that the PM would personally write to the ACCC to influence there decision making. (The ACCC is an independent body).

  • 2015-Oct-19, 9:56 am
    -prl-

    sylon writes...

    TransACT's FTTN in Canberra is pretty fast. Its not unusual for people to get 80Mbps down and 40Mbps up. Their max node distance is about 300 metres

    My line-of-sight to my (super)node (where the DSLAM is) is about 330m. The actual cable run is considerably longer. I get 50Mb/s down, 8.4Mb/s up.

    Still much better than the 4/1Mb/s I got with ADSL2.

  • batterytech

    ROO writes...

    Didn't anyone else find that strange that the PM would personally write to the ACCC to influence there decision making. (The ACCC is an independent body).

    Given the way Turnbull more or less dropped his pants and bent over for Telstra in the nbn negotionations, no. That's why I frequently referred to him as the Minister for Telstra. On the face of it there was simply no other explanation. That had to be his portfolio.

  • ROO

    @ -prl-
    Any idea how many residences share your VDSL2+ node, I don't have a node yet but the old Telstra pillar services about 300 residences.

  • 2015-Oct-19, 11:01 am
    002

    @ROO
    You can find this info if you know which node you're connected to � see quoted post below on how to do this. For example, I am on a node under here: http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/4BBE-03
    First, click on the 'ADA Info' tab, then you will see the 'P's#' column, which represents number of premises connected to each node.

    Hope this helps.

    ArcticMan88 writes...

    If you put your address in to https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au it will tell you which pillar you are connected to. It should say something like data ID no. BBEG:123 on the left. This ID should match up with the relevant pillar @ http://fttn.mynbn.info/?esa=BBEG when you click on it.

  • 2015-Oct-19, 11:01 am
    -prl-
    this post was edited

    ROO writes...

    Any idea how many residences share your VDSL2+ node, I don't have a node yet but the old Telstra pillar services about 300 residences.

    I was replying to a claim that the max cable distance in the TransACT VDSL2 network was no more than about 300m. My cable distance is significantly longer than that.

    I didn't mention Telstra pillar distances.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:37 pm
    002

    myNBN uses Google maps' walking distance IIRC, then tacks on some lead-in at either end.
    If you are currently on a Telstra-based plan (not sure what Exetel re-sells but I guess it might be Optus) then there is a guy called 'Rendrag' on here who can tell you your cable length to the pillar.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:37 pm
    Phillip DA

    I'm currently with Exetel on the Telstra infrastructure.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:39 pm
    002

    /user/41885

    Drop him a PM � you have to provide your phone number, but he is able to check cable distance I believe.
    I think he might be an ISP rep. I pm'ed him too but unfortunately I am on Optus so he couldn't check for me :(

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:39 pm
    Phillip DA

    So far I have contacted my current service provider, Exetel, and Optus, Optus is offering 50/20. Exetel tells me NBN don't offer anything faster than 25/5 at my location.

    Not sure about Optus, I been with them in the past, and was never happy with there service.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:43 pm
    Phillip DA

    What are Optus like? I had very poor service from them many years ago, and very skeptical on signing up to a 2 year contract with them on the NBN service.

    It looks like I will have to change service provider. Exetel has lost the plot today.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:43 pm
    gammanone

    Telstra will have the fastest B/H into the poi

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:46 pm
    002

    :)
    In layman's terms; Telstra is a pretty safe bet because their backhaul infrastructure is generous which I understand translates to a fast and reliable national and international service to you.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 7:46 pm
    Phillip DA

    On the phone with Telstra now, there is a 20 minute waiting period. On there website it says the NBN is not available at my address.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:00 pm
    002

    Ignore that, so does mine.
    Try this one instead: https://register.bigpond.com/check-availability.do
    Or this one: http://www.devoted.com.au/sq

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:00 pm
    Phillip DA

    On the phone with telstra now and his telling me it's not available and yet myNBN says it is.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:06 pm
    002
    this post was edited

    Ask to speak with an FTTN specialist :)

    EDIT: I think the people best suited to help at Telstra can be contacted only Mon-Fri between 10AM and 8PM.
    According to the e-mail I got after I signed on, if I have questions I should call 1800 834 273 and select Option 2.
    I'd say they're closed now.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:06 pm
    ArcticMan88

    Phillip DA writes...

    On the phone with telstra now and his telling me it's not available and yet myNBN says it is.

    002 writes...

    Ask to speak with an FTTN specialist :)

    The Telstra person I spoke to tonight confirmed my plan details/offer and forwarded the details to a colleague (assuming a FTTN specialist?) who is going to confirm activation details with me tomorrow.

    Hope that helps :)

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:17 pm
    002

    Nice one. Curious to know what your NBN appointment date is going to be.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:17 pm
    Ack Attack

    Hi Philip.

    There are no nodes in Bundy tagged 4BBE-04-

    I am in Walkervale between two notes 4BBE-03-17 and 4BBE-03-05-

    Both are within 2000 mtr of each other with several running from one end of Hunter st to the other, all marked 4BBE-03-XX

    We will be waiting for some time for 4BBE-04-XX-

    Rob

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:18 pm
    002

    That is incorrect, Rob.
    There are 22 nodes labelled 4BBE-04-XX. They are in parts of Walkervale, Thabeban and Avenell Heights.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:18 pm
    Phillip DA

    The telstra guy I spoke to was convinced that the nbn is not available at my address, I could not sign up.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:20 pm
    HY

    Phillip DA writes...

    The telstra guy I spoke to was convinced that the nbn is not available at my address, I could not sign up.

    hi PhillipDA. I hope this isn't the case as i'd like to hear your experiences!

    PS. Did you used to own a TREX600? ;)

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:20 pm
    rickxs

    Hi Guys need some help from any locals
    hoping to buy in a new area in kalkie , im in Victoria
    it's off Jealous rd --at the end of Morgan way is Alison drive
    it is in the brown area on NBN map but it does not show on any maps as a road there
    are there any FTTN around that way or work going on that may help
    Bigpond tell me ADSL2 is connected for the residence

    & is Bargara & Coral Cove still a cot case for the internet ?

    cheers

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:28 pm
    002

    It looks like parts of Jealous Rd are covered � connected to pillar BBEG:42.

    Go here: https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/
    Put in 'Jealous Road, Kalkie' and it will show you the border. You should be OK if your property falls within.

  • 2015-Dec-4, 8:28 pm
    ArcticMan88

    002 writes...

    Nice one. Curious to know what your NBN appointment date is going to be.

    Telstra called me back this morning and my appointment is for Friday 11th December (Kepnock 4BBE-05). They also said to me that no one will need to be home.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 1:48 pm
    Phillip DA

    My ADSL2 service has dropped down from 5mb to 1.5mb since they connected the FTTN on my street last friday.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 1:48 pm
    002

    Phillip DA writes...

    How did you get an appointment on the 18th

    I have a suspicion that there is more to the appointment dates than what we're made privy to :(

    Perhaps it's based on which suburb or nodes the technician is working on. For example; he might be in Walkervale for a whole week hooking up premises before moving over to Kepnock and working there for a week. It surely doesn't make sense for him to be bouncing all over the city? Or maybe there are multiple techs all assigned to certain areas and my guy just happens to have a lighter workload than your guy?

    Whatever it is, I doubt that any of the front-line Telstra grunts are going to be able to give us the answer.

  • Phillip DA

    002 writes...

    I have a suspicion that there is more to the appointment dates than what we're made privy to :(

    Perhaps it's based on which suburb or nodes the technician is working on. For example; he might be in Walkervale for a whole week hooking up premises before moving over to Kepnock and working there for a week. It surely doesn't make sense for him to be bouncing all over the city? Or maybe there are multiple techs all assigned to certain areas and my guy just happens to have a lighter workload than your guy?

    Whatever it is, I doubt that any of the front-line Telstra grunts are going to be able to give us the answer.

    That makes sense. I would understand them working on one area at a time.

    It can't come soon enough for me, My adsl2 speed is very slow and unreliable today. It has been for apx 3 months now and it's a lot worse at night and weekends, which is very unusual. My speed test is only 1.5mb download today. I used to get a constant 5mb up untill 3 months ago. I suspect in my case it's my ADSL provider. Exetel. I been reading a lot of complaints of late with Exetel customers on ADSL of late.

    I decided to sign up with Telstra on the NBN.

  • Phillip DA

    I just checked my ADSL2 speed and it's back upto 4mb. It will most likely drop back down to 1.5mb later this afternoon.

    You should try watching you-tube videos with this service. It's not much fun.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 2:01 pm
    002

    I am in a similar boat :(
    Sync at 8mbit but there's no way I am getting those speeds � especially of an evening. Closer to 2-3mbit.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 2:01 pm
    TechV

    Speed drops in ADSL are probably a Malcolm Turnbull led government conspiracy designed to make you all sign up to the NBN immediately and make their signup figures look good and boost revenue for the NBN ASAP. Stranger things have happened ;)

  • 2015-Dec-10, 2:04 pm
    002

    If they are competent enough to orchestrate that, they probably wouldn't be in the mess that is the MTM rollout right now.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 2:04 pm
    User515777
    this post was edited

    My speeds are still roughly the same, haven't noticed any difference really.

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4903339911

    How come the nbn website still shows nbn unavailable?

  • 2015-Dec-10, 2:15 pm
    Sparkie

    User515777 writes...

    How come the nbn website still shows nbn unavailable?

    I doubt they update their site so religiously as we would like.
    I am supposed to be coming "live" today(North Bundy) and IInet are looking into it for me. They can log into the NBN portal which I am assuming is going to be more up to date than the website.
    Internode cannot supply me with FTTN plans as they have not got plans ready so I will have to go over to IINet for my connection.
    As a side note IINet are offering 1000Gigs and home line for about $80.00/month, does this seem reasonable? 24 month contract no joining fee and free modem.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 2:15 pm
    joseph790

    The official NBN map may be updated soon as today 11th December is when the rest of Bundaberg is scheduled to be turned on. http://www.mynbn.info/sa/4BBE

    Select the "Fixed line rollouts" tab and of the 9 areas 4 were to be turned on today.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 3:28 pm
    gammanone

    As of this afternoon bundy 1-9 will be rfs

  • 2015-Dec-10, 3:28 pm
    User515777

    Sparkie writes...

    I am supposed to be coming "live" today(

    Yeah the same for me.

    Does anyone know where you can find a list of isp that we can sign up for the FTTN with?

    I'm not overly in a hurry to get on the NBN anyhow, and I imagine we will need to be patient anyways. I just don't want to sign up with exetel again, because they seem to throttle torrents. Not that I download many torrents, I use my mobile phone data, but it's rather annoying that I don't have the option with exetel.

  • 2015-Dec-10, 4:00 pm
    Sparkie
    this post was edited

    I have to leave Internode due to not being able to get FTTN NBN with them.

    User515777 writes...

    Does anyone know where you can find a list of isp that we can sign up for the FTTN with

    http://www.mynbn.info/rollout/4BBE-07

    About the best I can do.

    Edit: Looks like the website for Bundy has been updated
    http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/check-your-address.html

  • 2015-Dec-10, 4:00 pm
    ROO

    Has any of the vdsl tech people Telstra etc said you might need a VDSL central splitter to stop interference on your phone lines within your house ????? Exetel say they sell them for $300.00 seams excessive, although I have seen cheaper ones but I have read they may not or will not work unless you get the correct one, any comments ?????

  • 002

    You can get them far cheaper than that. $300 is a rort.
    Telstra didn't mention anything to me about needing one but that is likely because I told them I won't be using a fixed phone/landline.

  • Jarrod120

    Sparkie writes...

    I have to leave Internode due to not being able to get FTTN NBN with them.

    Same boat as you, have been with node 7+years, sad to see they have no fttn plans as of yet.

  • 002

    Sadly, even if Internode did have FTTN plans, I can't imagine that I would be staying with them. I've been with them for over 10 years now. There's nothing special about them any more � it all went down the drain after the iiNet buyout :(

  • 002

    4BBE-06 and 09 have gone live :)

  • 2015-Dec-11, 6:12 am
    batesr33

    yep seen that :D just got off the phone to iinet

  • 2015-Dec-11, 6:12 am
    User515777

    Good can view providers now.

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