Thứ Tư, 5 tháng 10, 2016

Gigaset C610IP part 3

  • 2016-Mar-18, 12:02 pm
    Toto

    mormopterus writes...

    my Gigaset reregisters by itself as soon as the internet is up again

    Zyxak writes...

    I would say no, it's not normal.

    Mine has always done it. Latest outage was last night and it came back some time later and the Gigaset still said "registration at provider failed" this morning.

    I've had my C610A IP running ... now on cable, and I find that it re-registers quite quickly.

    Presumably Telstra cable?

    I found this thread /archive/2212168 which suggests disabling the router's "WAN->NAT Passthrough->SIP Passthrough" (different brand of router though).

    I'm on Telstra Cable superfast speed boost, and the Telstra-supplied CG3100D-2 modem/router is in normal router mode (not bridged).
    Gigaset is plugged directly into the CG3100D-2.

    On my router's ALG (Application-Level Gateway) page, everything is ticked except SIP [1]. I am pretty sure that is the default setting.

    Is that what you have?


    [1] The router's Help for ALG is not very helpful and only says Application-Level Gateway(also known as ALG or application layer gateway) consists of a security component that augments a firewall or NAT employed in a computer network. It allows customized NAT traversal filters to be plugged into the gateway to support address and port translation for certain application layer "control/data" protocols such as FTP, BitTorrent, SIP, RTSP, file transfer in IM applications etc.
    In order for these protocols to work through NAT or a firewall, either the application has to know about an address/port number combination that allows incoming packets, or the NAT has to monitor the control traffic and open up port mappings (firewall pinhole) dynamically as required. Legitimate application data can thus be passed through the security checks of the firewall or NAT that would have otherwise restricted the traffic for not meeting its limited filter criteria.

  • 2016-Mar-18, 12:02 pm
    Zyxak

    Toto writes...

    Presumably Telstra cable?

    Yup. 100GB naked, no speed boost.

    Gigaset is plugged directly into the CG3100D-2.

    My Gigaset is connected to my ASUS RT-AC68U router which is bridged behind the C6300BD cable modem.

    Is your Gigaset on a static or dynamic IP address?

  • 2016-Mar-18, 2:07 pm
    Toto

    Zyxak writes...

    Is your Gigaset on a static or dynamic IP address?

    It's set to dynamic but it never changes. It's been *.24 for ages.

    (I always login to the web interface by typing the IP address as the Gigaset login via the web didn't work and didn't seem to be of enough value to me to figure out why).

  • 2016-Mar-18, 2:07 pm
    Robnll

    Toto writes...

    It's been *.24 for ages

    When a device loses its IP addr and broadcasts a DHCP request it is most likely to include an Option that it be given the same ip it had previously. This was what my gigset requested when rebooting after losing its registration. It was previously 192.168.1.120

    Option: (t=50,l=4) Requested IP Address = 192.168.1.120

    In every case I have seen the network DHCP server will comply unless in the meanwhile it has issued this to a new network device

  • 2016-Mar-18, 2:37 pm
    bluebay
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    gigaset C160IP , how do I get the config page to show in English?

    At present, I type the IP address into the firefox browser, and it comes up with the login page.

    Once I have logged in, and choose "settings " page, which is in English language, I then click onto info services and see this
    " please visit the configuration page via www.gigaset.net/myaccount"

    when I click onto the www.gigaset.net/myaccount, if I hover over it first , it shows a uk link, but if i just click onto it, then it takes me to a config page in German.

    I am trying to get that page in English.

    Anyone had any luck ?

    ps. Gigaset.net web page also does not work, I cannot change language to international, or find australian or UK pages, to work with.

    ps 2. For RTP port range, its default is 5004- 5020. (Settings/ Telephony/Advanced Voip/ bottom of page)
    Is that correct ? it works, but I used to see a different and larger range of rtp ports in a previously used Spa 3102 ata

  • 2016-Mar-18, 2:37 pm
    Toto

    bluebay writes...

    when I click onto the www.gigaset.net/myaccount, if I hover over it first , it shows a uk link, but if i just click onto it, then it takes me to a config page in German.

    I am trying to get that page in English.

    In my experience, it works if you type in what it displays (i.e. www.gigaset.net/myaccount) but not if you click on the link.

    Edit: except it is broken at the moment. However that is pretty common with Gigaset info services and it will get fixed sometime.

  • 2016-Mar-18, 3:42 pm
    bluebay

    Toto writes...

    Edit: except it is broken at the moment. However that is pretty common with Gigaset info services and it will get fixed sometime.

    oh, ok... thanks. .There are quite a few problems with the gigaset website when i try out different links.

    I did try manually typing the URL as well. Still had problems..

    When you click on the link in the gui, which is English, it should follow that the link page, which nicely picks up your user name etc for the next page, should present the next page in the language of the previous page.

    Thanks for your input :)

  • 2016-Mar-18, 3:42 pm
    rj

    bluebay writes...

    ps 2. For RTP port range, its default is 5004- 5020. (Settings/ Telephony/Advanced Voip/ bottom of page) Is that correct ?

    Going back a few years now, a VOIP expert and (now former) Internode employeeposted recommended settings on Whirlpool. On the basis of his advice, this is what we have configured in our base station:

    Settings > Telephony > Advanced VOIP settings > Listen ports for VoIP connections

    Use random ports: Yes
    SIP port: 49060 � 49080
    RTP port: 49004 � 49008

    Works well for us here.

  • rj

    bluebay writes...

    I did try manually typing the URL as well. Still had problems

    Yes, I gave up using the information services. I've read of some people "rolling their own" info services. I thought this was cool but haven't had time to delve into it myself.

  • bluebay

    rj writes...

    Use random ports: Yes
    SIP port: 49060 � 49080
    RTP port: 49004 � 49008

    Works well for us here.

    Thanks.. I think mine has Random ports set to "no" so will change that to "yes" , and see how things go.

    ps.. Spa3102 had 5060-5064, rtp settings were 16382-16484 from memory, a range of 102 ports.

  • VK2XXY

    bluebay writes...

    Is that correct ?

    I've never changed it. Works well.

  • Robnll
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    bluebay writes...

    I think mine has Random ports set to "no" so will change that to "yes" , and see how things go.

    Probably no difference as the src ports you choose are pretty much irrelevant after the sip protocol was modified to provide for Symmetric response routing. This introduced a new parameter called "rport " for the via hdr field requesting the server to send responses back to the source ip and port from which the request originated. This was done to cover the situation where the client was behind a 'nat'.

    SIP port: 49060 � 49080

    High value sip ports can assist when your router has a sip_alg that cannot be disabled. Also it is unlikely that scanners would cover such a high value so security could be improved. No need to specify a range though .. just pick any value you like less than 65000 or thereabouts.

  • bluebay

    Robnll writes...

    Probably no difference as the src ports you choose are pretty much irrelevant after the sip protocol was modified to provide for Symmetric response routing.

    Informative , Thanks for your input Robnll. Is it the same for the RTP ports? or different from the SIP?

  • Robnll

    bluebay writes...

    Informative

    More info in this rfc. It gets a bit heavy going but the Abstract at the beginning sums it up.
    https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3581.txt

    Is it the same for the RTP ports?

    The end result is the same but done differently. When the caller sends an Invite it will contain a SDP which is used in an offer/answer fashion with the proxy server to reach agreement on the attributes of the media (rtp) session.
    This will include the private port to be used and a media attribute relating to the direction of the media stream. An extract from the relevant rfc 3264 is :

    If the offerer wishes to both send and
    receive media with its peer, it MAY include an "a=sendrecv"
    attribute, or it MAY omit it, since sendrecv is the default.
    For recvonly and sendrecv streams, the port number and address in the
    offer indicate where the offerer would like to receive the media
    stream.

    As far as I can tell the vsp checks to see if the port in via hdr and the 'recieved from' port (rport) are the same ( that is no nat) and uses this but if it determines you are behind a nat it waits until it receives your rtp then sends rtp to the originating port. That is why sip_alg or stun can confuse the vsp into thinking you are not behind a nat and rtp gets sent to a private port.

  • 2016-Mar-31, 4:32 pm
    bluebay

    Yep,

    That clears it up a bit..

    I know that stun and and nat go into the mix, and different vsp's may treat things slightly different as well...

    Appreciate the detail Robnll.

  • 2016-Mar-31, 4:32 pm
    VK2XXY
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    onhold writes...

    Do you have an example file you can share (dummy names/numbers)?

    It's a cold weekend...

    The phone links are...

    http://<phone_ip>/settings_services_eeprom_provider.html
    http://<phone_ip>/settings_services_online_directory.html

    The directory server URL is...

    http://gigaset.woodytheduck.net/cgi-bin/pb.py

    It just has some demo contacts. It is a very 'static' setup that does not use the full features of the phone.

    Edit: This is for a private directory, not yellow or white.

    It looks like just a xml file but it delivered to the phone via CGI.

    The script is here...

    http://gigaset.woodytheduck.net/pb.py

    To access the directory it's a long press on the directory button.... bottom of the centre 'ring'.

  • 2016-Mar-31, 4:35 pm
    onhold

    VK2XXY writes...

    It's a cold weekend...

    The phone links are..

    Thanks for the effort.
    I'll need to spend some time working out how to apply this.
    You've provided a lot of good info, esp address book syntax.
    I'm just unsure of the final implementation.

  • 2016-Mar-31, 4:35 pm
    VK2XXY

    onhold writes...

    I'm just unsure of the final implementation

    The example above is the most basic implementation. I haven't looked at scrolling when there are 7 or more entries.

    You will need a webserver that can do CGI. I started with a Raspberry Pi running Lighttpd and then placed it on a VPS running Apache.

    I used Python as the script language but that was just personal preference.

  • VK2XXY

    What are people doing to get progress sounds sounding more Telstra'ish?

  • Glen20

    VK2XXY writes...

    What are people doing to get progress sounds sounding more Telstra'ish?

    I hope you get a useful answer soon. FWIW, I'm currently using United Kingdom. Not great, but as close as I could find.

  • 2016-May-25, 9:47 pm
    VK2XXY

    Glen20 writes...

    I hope you get a useful answer soon.

    I mentioned it in passing in another thread and South Africa was suggested as being close.

    I'm using it now.

  • 2016-May-25, 9:47 pm
    Glen20

    VK2XXY writes...

    South Africa was suggested

    Thanks, VK2XXY. Have set it in 2 of my C610 IPs for a trial/test.

  • 2016-May-25, 10:15 pm
    Zyxak

    VK2XXY writes...

    I mentioned it in passing in another thread and South Africa was suggested as being close.

    Here's a comparison of the main progress tones from Australia and South Africa...

    Busy_au.wav � 425 Hz � 0.375 on 0.375 off
    Busy_za.wav � 400 Hz � 0.5 on 0.5 off

    Dial_Tone_au.wav � 400+425+450 Hz � continuous
    Dial_Tone_za.wav � 400x33 Hz � continuous

    Number_Unobtainable_au.wav � 425 Hz � 2.5 on 0.5 off
    Number_Unobtainable_za.wav � 400 Hz � 2.5 on 0.5 off

    Ringback_au.wav � 400+425+450 Hz � 0.4 on 0.2 off 0.4 on 2.0 off
    Ringback_za.wav � 400x33 Hz � 0.4 on 0.2 off 0.4 on 2.0 off

    As you can see/hear, the Australian and South African progress tones are so similar as to be almost interchangeable.

  • 2016-May-25, 10:15 pm
    ozimarco

    Zyxak writes...

    As you can see/hear, the Australian and South African progress tones are so similar as to be almost interchangeable.

    Pity the facility the choose progress tones is not available on my old A580IP. That was one thing I liked about the old PAP2-NA.

  • 2016-May-26, 5:08 am
    Zyxak

    ozimarco writes...

    That was one thing I liked about the old PAP2-NA.

    And my old SPA-3102 as well. You could change any tone to anything you liked.

  • 2016-May-26, 5:08 am
    Toto
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    Artstar writes...

    Go the fancy Powerex.

    So 9 months is up and my Chinese Eneloops are starting to cut out in phone calls (have lasted better than Energizers which are useless by this stage).

    Question: if you get a fancy reconditioning charger, do you still need to follow it with the whole Gigaset full charge on cradle, full discharge to dead flat in handset, then back on cradle until charged? Or can you just recondition/charge them in the fancy charger say every 3 months, then put them in the Gigaset and not do the rest?

    Getting bloody tired of this. Just wasted 20 mins on hold because my handset went flat and I got cut off.

    The whole full charge, full discharge, then recharge thing is bad enough without having to do extra out-of-phone reconditioning discharge/charge.

    Edit: set up a voip app on my mobile to make calls, quicker than buggerising around with batteries. (It's a 1300 number not a freecall unfortunately, or I would have just dialled on my mobile). Might be the beginning of the end of the Gigaset.

  • 2016-May-26, 8:39 am
    ceghphel

    Toto writes...

    So 9 months is up and my Chinese Eneloops are starting to cut out in phone calls (have lasted better than Energizers which are useless by this stage).

    It's annoying me too (on a C530IP). The batteries just don't last like they did on my old C470IP (where I am sure they lasted 5+ years).

    At the moment I'm just using $7 for 4 Coles branded AAA batteries...

  • 2016-May-26, 8:39 am
    rj
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    I've replaced the original batteries in all 5 of our C610H handsets with Panasonic Eneloop batteries at various times in the last 18 months. The batteries in 3 of the handsets wouldn't hold charge after a few months.

    Earlier this year, I took one of the handsets into the battery supplier. The salesman recommended GP Batteries. These have a slightly taller positive terminal than the Eneloops � and hence a slightly longer overall length � so he reckoned they would make better contact with the handset terminals.

    Cost was $9.90 for a twin pack (the supplier didn't have the quad pack in stock).

    It's only been 1 to 4 months with the GP Batteries in the handsets so far.

  • Artstar

    Toto writes...

    Question: if you get a fancy reconditioning charger, do you still need to follow it with the whole Gigaset full charge on cradle

    No. That's what your fancy charger is for. It's smarter than the one that's with the Gigaset.

  • Toto
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    I have a smart charger, but it doesn't have conditioning or discharging options. Yesterday I charged the batteries externally in the smart charger and put them back in without the Gigaset in-handset discharge then recharge fully cycle.

    One of the sets of batteries was showing half charged all the time on the handset � after having been externally charged, it showed fully charged on the handset, so that initially looked like an improvement.

    Just tried a phone call and it went dead flat in a very short time, so that is actually worse than it was.

    Note the fact that the Gigaset says they are flat doesn't mean they are flat. The battery removed from the "flat" handset says 1.54V and when put back in the handset, the handsets says the batteries are fully charged.

    Possibly the Gigaset charging circuit has some kind of memory that tells it how many mAh it has put into the batteries and it assumes that is the capacity and that therefore they are flat when it has used that much capacity from them.

    So it seems the answer is not externally charging and then ignoring the Gigaset in-handset discharge then recharge fully cycle.

    Perhaps the answer is removing them, discharging them fully, then putting them into the handset and fully charging them, then done. And for new batteries, discharging them first, then putting them into the handset and fully charging them, then done.

  • Toto
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    Toto writes...

    removing them, discharging them fully, then putting them into the handset and fully charging them, then done

    I've tried this, discharging the cells in a single cell non-LED torch � single cell ensures they get properly discharged without damage.

    Then put back in and left on cradle for 24 hours without use. This takes about 1.5 days total and is easy so I hope it works as well as the official method. (I should have tried discharging externally then charging externally as that is even faster).

    Also put in a new set of Chineneloop batteries for which I used the official method of charged on the cradle, discharged in the handset, then recharged on cradle for 24 hours. This takes quite a few days and is a pain. You also have to put the handset somewhere a helpful person won't interfere and put it back on the cradle ("it was bipping") despite the Post-It note stuck to it.

  • ozimarco

    Toto writes...

    You also have to put the handset somewhere a helpful person won't interfere and put it back on the cradle ("it was bipping") despite the Post-It note stuck to it.

    I find it easier to hide the cradle. :)

  • 2016-Aug-31, 8:05 pm
    Ninja Travis

    ozimarco writes...

    I find it easier to hide the cradle. :)

    Or to unplug it.

  • 2016-Aug-31, 8:05 pm
    thodo

    davidw89 writes...

    Are there any devices out there in the same level as Gigaset? Need an IP device and fall over to the landline. Don't need a router/modem, an IP device would suffice.

    Did you ever find a decent alternative to Gigaset? I want to replace my C610H's with something that has a charger capable of stopping charging once batteries are charged.

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