Thứ Hai, 3 tháng 10, 2016

NBN Applecross WA FSA part 4

  • deltaz

    3 years later, worse technology, locked to 1 ISP company only (probably), no BYO modem (probably)

    cancelled a "3 month" build prep for this...............

    and it probably won't be much better than 120/2.4. QAM256 might be nice to have but still...

    something something three word slogan1

    Oh and, what is going to happen to our phones? Are we going to be forced to VoIP now?

  • T squared

    Got the NBN Installation Notice letter/election flyer today.
    It shows Winthrop as 6APP-61 (here I am thinking Winthrop was 6APP-05). Apparently, they intend to install between 10 June and 31 Oct this year. Let's see.

  • 2016-May-26, 10:47 pm
    PeteP

    T squared writes...

    Apparently, they intend to install between 10 June and 31 Oct this year.

    Install what exactly I wonder? I already have cable so it will probably be a non-event.

    It shows Winthrop as 6APP-61 (here I am thinking Winthrop was 6APP-05)

    6APP-61 for second-hand cable NBN
    6APP-05 for world leading fibre NBN

  • 2016-May-26, 10:47 pm
    PeteP
  • 2016-May-26, 11:56 pm
    Buddha3211

    I guess we will find out next month which 6APP-6X areas (if any) will be going to Build Commenced. So we know Winthrop is 6APP-61. Based on the FTTP SAM's then it could be

    6APP-05 = 6APP-61 Winthrop HFC
    6APP-06 = 6APP-60 Bateman/Murdoch HFC
    6APP-08 = 6APP-62 Leeming/Bull Creek HFC

    This month we had 6JTS-61 (Yangebup) go to Build for HFC. It was previously listed in the Telstra document as 01-Mar-2017 RFS, but has now been changed to 18-Nov-2016 after it went to Build. Based on this we may expect the first 6APP HFC areas to go live by the end of the year?

    Reports from other areas seem like NBN are installing lead-ins before upgrading any nodes etc. In any case will be interesting to see how long it takes for an area to go from Build Commenced to RFS when the first HFC areas go live.

  • 2016-May-26, 11:56 pm
    PeteP

    T squared writes...

    Got the NBN Installation Notice letter/election flyer today.

    Just checked. We didn't get any notice. Do you have cable installed at your place? Maybe this is only to those premises where they will install lead-ins to your house as indicated by:

    Buddha3211 writes...

    Reports from other areas seem like NBN are installing lead-ins before upgrading any nodes etc.

  • T squared

    The NBN letter came with a pamphlet titled "Notice of hybrid-fibre coaxial (HFC) installation. The details." ... indicating that a utility box would be installed.

    No cable here Pete � so yes, probably just a prep.

  • Gunnadothat

    T squared writes...

    Got the NBN Installation Notice letter/election flyer today.
    It shows Winthrop as 6APP-61

    Just wondering where in Winthrop you are (without giving anything away of course) � I'm near Winthrop Oval and haven't seen any flyers yet.

  • 2016-May-27, 12:24 pm
    AlvinT

    I just received my NBN installation notice today and Notice of HFC installation details.

    It stated the installation date will be between 15th June 2016 till 3rd Nov 2016.

    I am living on Vigors Ave, Bull Creek. This area has Foxtel or telstra cable.

    Anyone know whether the installation will be underground or above ground? Im worried they start digging my garden.

  • 2016-May-27, 12:24 pm
    Buddha3211

    AlvinT writes...

    Anyone know whether the installation will be underground or above ground? Im worried they start digging my garden.

    I have a Telstra HFC lead-in in Bateman which runs underground. From the top of my head I think most of the surrounding area has underground cable as opposed to aerial. Your pretty flower beds could be in trouble!

    It stated the installation date will be between 15th June 2016 till 3rd Nov 2016.

    Interesting to see work in both Winthrop and Bull Creek confirmed here. Could be possible that the rest of 6APP areas will undergo HFC works simultaneously.

    The CMTS upgrade seems to have been done already so it could all come online by end of 2016.

  • 2016-May-27, 2:03 pm
    AlvinT

    Buddha3211 writes...

    I have a Telstra HFC lead-in in Bateman which runs underground. From the top of my head I think most of the surrounding area has underground cable as opposed to aerial. Your pretty flower beds could be in trouble!

    My house was just been built. I know atm there are cable from the telstra underground box to the telstra utility box outside the house. Will they be able to use that piping to put thru the cable instead of digging and putting new pipe in?

    have you seen any tech started working on it? What is CMTS?

  • 2016-May-27, 2:03 pm
    Cloud13

    I also received a notice in the mail yesterday regarding nbn in my area. (Murdoch)
    Same installation date between 15th june 2016 and 3 november 2016.

  • 2016-May-27, 8:00 pm
    PeteP

    Buddha3211 writes...

    Interesting to see work in both Winthrop and Bull Creek confirmed here.

    I wonder if everybody in these areas receives this notice or only those without an existing cable lead-in to their premises? I haven't received any notice (in Winthrop) but I have an active Foxtel / Bigpond cable service.

  • 2016-May-27, 8:00 pm
    AlvinT

    PeteP writes...

    I wonder if everybody in these areas receives this notice or only those without an existing cable lead-in to their premises? I haven't received any notice (in Winthrop) but I have an active Foxtel / Bigpond cable service.

    Hi Petep, not sure it will help. Before I knocked down my house at Bull Creek, my house used to have foxtel lead-in cable already. After I rebuilt, it didn't have foxtel. But I presume, the lead-in cable should be very easy to install. Just put thru the piping which were used for the ADSL2+ copper line isnt it (2 inch pipe)

  • 2016-May-28, 7:59 pm
    maia54327

    Three NBN vehicles
    in Aitken Drive Winthrop this morning. It appeared the crews were working on pits.

  • 2016-May-28, 7:59 pm
    PeteP
    this post was edited

    maia54327 writes...

    Three NBN vehicles
    in Aitken Drive Winthrop this morning. It appeared the crews were working on pits.

    Thanks for the information but since I already have HFC to me this is really a non-event. Just hope they stay away from my side of Winthrop (didn't get any notice of NBN works in the area so maybe a good sign). When we were in Build Prep for FTTP my cable internet/foxtel went down at least twice for the rest of the day. I definitely don't want to go through that again for nothing (at least FTTP would have been something).

  • 2016-Jun-1, 12:47 pm
    PeteP

    As we all now know after the release of the Labor NBN policy:
    https://11217-presscdn-0-50-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ALPF133-NBN-Brochure-Factsheet_A4.pdf
    http://blog.jxeeno.com/why-is-hfc-and-fttn-still-in-labors-nbn/

    the rest of 6APP will be condemned to NBN HFC with all the problems identified in the Analysis Mason report of upgrades needed as early as 2020 and the constrained upstream capacity we will have:
    https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Analysys%20Mason%20expert%20report%20%28Public%20version%20-%20redacted%29.pdf

    Think about that when you vote in this very safe Liberal seat.

  • 2016-Jun-1, 12:47 pm
    Gunnadothat

    PeteP writes...

    Think about that when you vote in this very safe Liberal seat.

    Nothing to think about Pete � there are people in 6APP like myself who have already seen the train wreck that a once promising infrastructure project has become in the last 3 years under Malcolm's magic roundabout.

    The worst part is the Telstra IED that he will leave behind for more forward thinking people to defuse.

    I will neither forgive nor forget come election day.

  • Happy

    AlvinT writes...

    Will they be able to use that piping to put thru the cable instead of digging and putting new pipe in?

    if it is 20mm duct (which should be) then yes

  • Buddha3211

    There hasn't been any 6APP areas added to the NBN rollout map however Finder has been updated showing the HFC areas gone to "Build Preparation" commencing May 2016.

    http://www.finder.com.au/nbn-tracker/sa/6APP

    6APP-60 Leeming � 2000 premises
    6APP-61 Kardinya, Winthrop � 2200 premises
    6APP-62 Bull Creek (WA), Leeming � 1700 premises
    6APP-63 Leeming, Willetton � 2200 premises
    6APP-64 Bateman, Murdoch, Winthrop � 2800 premises

  • 2016-Jun-21, 10:53 pm
    PeteP

    Gunnadothat writes...

    What's the comparison with the current T$ cable setup Pete,

    10%-20% decrease in downstream speed with NBN HFC over Telstra HFC (25 vs 35 or 100 vs 115) but a 500% to 2000% increase in upstream speecd (5 vs 1.2 or 40 vs 2.4). Of course the latter will only be if you are one of the few maxxing out the upstream due to the limited bandwidth NBNCo can use in the first 18 months. If you don't care about uploads you lose with NBN, if uploads open a whole new world then NBN is for you.

    BTW, with NBN you are forced to use the RSP provided router for your phone service (which you lose if you bridge the router for your own better, more powerful, and more customisable router).

    will the rollout impinge on the current cable setup in your opinion?

    In theory no since NBN and Telstra use different bands. However during the Build / Prep process from now until early 2017 we can expect downtimes as contractors do HFC infill and lead-ins while at the same time Telstra/NBN retune the HFC plant to cope with the change. Some users may not see anything, others may experience more outages or degraded service.

  • 2016-Jun-21, 10:53 pm
    AlvinT

    Anyone able to give me some recommandation?

    I am currently with iinet ADSL2+ and my speed is at around 19mbps. I called telstra and they said I am able to get cable internet with them. The speed is up to 100mbps with 8mbps upload.

    Should I change it to Telstra cable? Just a note, my area is also building HFC lead in at the moment.

    Any advise will be useful.

  • 2016-Jun-23, 6:07 pm
    PeteP

    AlvinT writes...

    with 8mbps upload

    Err that is 2.4 Mbps upload actually.

    Should I change it to Telstra cable?

    That is your choice. If you have 19 Mbps on ADSL you must be pretty close to Bateman exchange (and a stone's throw away from those with FTTP in Bull Creek) and if you are happy with that I would wait for NBN HFC rather lock into a 24 month contract with Telstra.

  • 2016-Jun-23, 6:07 pm
    AlvinT

    Is NBN HFC better than Telstra cable?

    Yes, exchange is very near to my house. Street in front of me is FTTP and RFS.

  • 2016-Jun-23, 8:06 pm
    PeteP

    AlvinT writes...

    Is NBN HFC better than Telstra cable?

    See my previous posts. However until we know more about NBN HFC when it is finally available nobody knows. We do know Telstra HFC will still have better downstream and NBN HFC will provide much better upstream on comparable plans, beyond that ... who knows?

  • 2016-Jun-23, 8:06 pm
    Happy

    PeteP writes...

    Telstra HFC

    NBN HFC

    ermmmm there is no such thing, NBN is buying the HFC from Telstra and then adding in small sections that the initial rollout did not cover � both will be NBN HFC or have i misread you?

  • 2016-Jun-23, 8:22 pm
    Jabez

    PeteP writes...

    I would wait for NBN HFC rather lock into a 24 month contract with Telstra.

    I will be because although I love the idea of "faster than ADSL", I'm not prepared to pay an extra $60/mth + a 24 mth contract. I suspect once the HFC is available it will be cheaper � I hope.
    Plus I don't like Telstra!

  • 2016-Jun-23, 8:22 pm
    deltaz

    Are we going to be stuck with VoIP phones?

  • 2016-Jun-23, 8:51 pm
    PeteP

    Happy writes...

    both will be NBN HFC or have i misread you?

    Telstra HFC before RFS when NBN takes over and only Bigpond exists with their 35/1.2 and 115/2.4 plans.

    NBN HFC is when NBN takes over and you have the NBN speed tiers provided by the RSP of your choice (together with Bigpond during coexistance)

  • 2016-Jun-23, 8:51 pm
    PeteP

    Jabez writes...

    HFC is available it will be cheaper � I hope.
    Plus I don't like Telstra!

    Exetel is the cheapest but no idea on quality here in WA (e.g. do all packets get routed to VIC/NSW even if your destination is local?). Of course your favourite iiNet, Internode, Optus or TPG will also be available.

  • 2016-Jun-24, 3:59 pm
    PeteP

    deltaz writes...

    Are we going to be stuck with VoIP phones?

    Yes, landline copper will be decommissioned. And unlike FTTP you do not have a separate voice only port which can work during blackouts.

  • 2016-Jun-24, 3:59 pm
    OldGeek

    PeteP writes...

    Yes, landline copper will be decommissioned.

    What's the reason it has to be decommissioned? In my simple mind, is it not a separate infrastructure from the HFC?

  • 2016-Jun-24, 4:23 pm
    Happy

    So as to not have to maintain both infrastructure, the intention is for the copper to go in FTTP & HFC networks

  • 2016-Jun-24, 4:23 pm
    bazza65

    Obviously I have plenty of time, but was just wondering what the normal installation for us newbies that don't already have cable installed now is?

    I understand that they will pull through a lead-in and put an NBN box outside somewhere near the current phone line input.

    But what do the they do from there, do they put a coax outlet inside the garage for example that backs on to the NBN box, or is all that up to the ISP once everything is switched on and I sign up to a new plan?

    I don't have any desire to leave the new modem out in the garage area, so would it be worthwhile running a new RG6 cable somewhere near where the box will go back to my office in preparation?

  • 2016-Jun-24, 5:22 pm
    bazza65

    ^Found this which answers my question as above^

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZRiuT5I7e4

  • 2016-Jun-24, 5:22 pm
    bengtan

    Hi all,

    I'm in Bull Creek with FTTP and just signed up for Skymesh on a 25/10 plan. Everything's working fine except for traffic from international and/or outside of Skymesh's network.

    When I do speedtests using ookla (default server) and Skymesh's netgauge, I record about 22-23 Mbits download ... which is to be expected.

    When I do speedtests using ookla (changing to an optus and also an aarnet server in Perth), I record about 12-13 Mbits download. I get similar results from downloading large files (via http) from a private VPS of mine (located in California).

    This is consistent across multiple devices (Android phone, laptop).

    The evidence suggests that the NBN/FTTP connection is operating at the expected speed (almost 25 Mbits) but there is some sort of bottleneck in Skymesh's network or backhaul.

    Reading whirlpool again, this seems to be a common issue with Skymesh. I'm not interested in debating whether there is an issue or not.

    Rather, I'm interested in knowing ...

    For other FTTP users in 6APP, what RSPs are you using that provide (relatively) fast traffic? I'm particularly interested in international traffic (based on the premise that if international traffic is fast, then other AU traffic should be decent as well).

    Also, I'm aware that performance varies greatly across RSPs, POIs and backhaul providers. Hence, I'm asking specifically in this thread because I'm interested specifically in data for the 6APP POI, not for the wider NBN.

    And I'm not after Skymesh-specific data but general RSP data, again, only for (FTTP) 6APP.

    Thank you all.

  • 2016-Jun-24, 6:19 pm
    Buddha3211

    3 areas in 6APP have been added as "Build Commenced" to the NBN rollout map today. These areas cover Winthrop, Murdoch, Bateman, Bull Creek, part of Leeming (and possibly a small part of Willetton?)

  • 2016-Jun-24, 6:19 pm
    Jabez

    Buddha3211 writes...

    3 areas in 6APP have been added as "Build Commenced" to the NBN rollout map today

    Do you have a link please?

  • 2016-Jun-24, 6:21 pm
    Buddha3211

    Jabez writes...

    Do you have a link please?

    http://bfy.tw/6ksr

  • 2016-Jun-24, 6:21 pm
    PeteP

    Buddha3211 writes...

    3 areas in 6APP have been added as "Build Commenced" to the NBN rollout map today. These areas cover Winthrop, Murdoch, Bateman, Bull Creek, part of Leeming (and possibly a small part of Willetton?)

    How coincidental today that I see spools of black coax cable being rolled out at the roundabout of Somerville Blvd and Prescott Rd and more Telstra pits being replaced in Murdoch.

    Indirectly confirmed by:
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/32056467/contractors-named-for-nbn-rollout-to-115-000-wa-homes/#page1

    And specifically:
    http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/website-communities-table.pdf

    Of course this is not all that exciting news since I already have HFC broadband with Telstra so nothing really new happening, and not looking forward to the rolling outages (our first notified outage in east Winthrop is happening next Tuesday, I am sure that won't be the last).

  • 2016-Jul-15, 8:49 pm
    Jabez

    Buddha3211 writes...

    part of Leeming

    Typical, I'm on the wrong side of Gracechurch!

  • 2016-Jul-15, 8:49 pm
    conando

    goddammit http://imgur.com/Syermyy . Anyone have any idea what they will rollout in this area, we do not have foxtel cable, so i guess FTTN ?. I'm currently getting 3 down / 0.5 up D: edge of exchange i think.

  • 2016-Jul-18, 1:11 pm
    redforall

    @Bengtan, I am in APP-07 too with Skymesh on a 100/40 plan. The speed I got on aarnet was 22/26 and Optus was 86/36 done within seconds of each other. Test done on mobile phone connected wirelessly.

    Hmm maybe need to switch to Telstra. I wonder how's Optus's speed in Bull Creek as it seems that there's plenty of complaint about Optus.

  • 2016-Jul-18, 1:11 pm
    bengtan

    @redforall:

    A couple of other 6APP users mention Aussie Broadband in the Skymesh 1mbit thread:

    /forum-replies.cfm?t=2438718

    I've already cancelled my Skymesh and will try them out after the current billing cycle.

  • 2016-Jul-19, 9:30 pm
    redforall
    this post was edited

    @Bengtan

    I am looking to switch as well. with the EPL coming, my plan with Skymesh may be inadequate. Besides Aussie Broadband, is there any other provider worth considering?

    Cheers

    tested on speedtest.net to San Jose, my results

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5490940453

    seems pretty decent? although I am on 100/40 plan and it's rather late here

  • 2016-Jul-19, 9:30 pm
    MX-5

    Winthrop had "Build Commenced" for over a year back with they were rolling out FTTP, now we've got coax going in. I don't know why we're a safe Liberal seat when we've been bent over and screwed so bad. Looking forward to a more modern internet.

  • 2016-Jul-20, 12:18 am
    PeteP

    MX-5 writes...

    Winthrop had "Build Commenced" for over a year back

    Actually that was only the green "Build Preparation". Interesting that there was way more activity with Build Prep back then than with Build Commenced now. I have seen very little if any activity around my side of Winthrop. I guess because there is nothing to do when there is nothing new being installed.

    now we've got coax going in.

    Which is why I really don't care anymore as I already have Telstra cable broadband and the NBN will offer me little more if not less (much less downstream which I use, way more upstream which I rarely use, and an uncertain design which may make congestion a daily ritual to contend with).

  • 2016-Jul-20, 12:18 am
    bazza65

    Well down here in 6APP-63, just off the bottom end of Beasley near South St end, they have just started infilling where the Telstra HFC is missing.

    A company called Fever Pitch rocked up today and pulled some cable up from Beasley in to my street, they stopped at my pit which is strange given there are houses past mine, even though it is a cul de sac. Maybe they'll come back in from the other side, or do they run smaller cable from my pit to do the rest of the street? The stuff they pulled up was about 15mm in diameter at a guess.

  • bazza65

    Well, problem solved.

    They came back today and did the rest of the street.

    They musty only work half days on Fridays... :-)

  • Lobby Dosser

    Saw a contractor doing asbestos removal on a pit in Fabian Close this morning. Hopefully that might mean something happening with NBN round here some time soon.

  • 2016-Jul-21, 9:25 am
    project2501

    I see some areas are getting HFC. Is that going to be DOCSIS 3.0 or DOCSIS 3.1?

  • 2016-Jul-21, 9:25 am
    bazza65

    project2501 writes...

    Is that going to be DOCSIS 3.0 or DOCSIS 3.1

    NBN isn't introducing 3.1 until the second half of 2017.

  • 2016-Jul-21, 11:18 am
    PeteP

    Updated RFS from:
    https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/content/dam/tw/nbn/Documents/rollout-list.xlsx

    6APP-60 BATEMAN WA 19-Dec-2016
    6APP-61 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-62 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-63 BATEMAN WA 19-Dec-2016
    6APP-64 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016

    Christmas present!

  • 2016-Jul-21, 11:18 am
    Gunnadothat

    PeteP writes...

    Christmas present!

    <Slow clap>
    It's like getting someone's cast-off car after they have finished with it........
    Delivered only 2 years late after it was promised , but 20 years old and battered though serviceable, with oil leaks and bald tyres. The engine mysteriously drops power when pushed too hard.
    Then you find you are actually paying the same as if you got a brand new E-Class Merc.

    Finally getting a RFS date should be cause for celebration, but I am past it now. I just can't be bothered.
    I gave up on it some months back and I really feel for others in areas who have to wait even longer for a substandard rollout and service.

  • 2016-Jul-29, 1:31 pm
    AlvinT

    Will installation of NBN HFC (lead in cable) slowing down my adsl speed or dropout?

  • 2016-Jul-29, 1:31 pm
    AlvinT

    Have anyone realised part of bull creek is not under the HFC rollout plan but under 3 years construction plan.

    It is so weird. Anyone know what is happening or why?

  • 2016-Aug-1, 2:02 pm
    PeteP

    AlvinT writes...

    Have anyone realised part of bull creek is not under the HFC rollout plan but under 3 years construction plan.

    You mean the majority part of Bull Creek which has had FTTP since the start of this year (6APP-07)?

  • 2016-Aug-1, 2:02 pm
    AlvinT

    PeteP writes...

    You mean the majority part of Bull Creek which has had FTTP since the start of this year (6APP-07)?

    No. Check on the finder or nbnco website. you will know what I meant. got one section of bull creek near John Creaney park is not getting NBN but on 3 years rollout plan.

  • 2016-Aug-1, 11:04 pm
    bazza65

    PeteP writes...

    6APP-60 BATEMAN WA 19-Dec-2016
    6APP-61 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-62 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-63 BATEMAN WA 19-Dec-2016
    6APP-64 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016

    All changed to 23-Dec-2016 on the latest sheet.

    Christmas present!

    Santa will be cutting it fine...

  • 2016-Aug-1, 11:04 pm
    Happy

    MX-5 writes...

    don't know why we're a safe Liberal seat when we've been bent over and screwed so bad. Looking forward to a more modern internet.

    I'll tell you something, the number of people in your "seat" who asked me (who I knew were bolt on liberal voters) why they were now getting HFC or FTTN, told me they voted to kill the FTTP off because they thought they were already locked in for FTTP, the high number was simply staggering. Some walked away from me absolutely fuming that they were not not getting fibre to their house. I found it hilarious.

  • 2016-Aug-22, 6:50 pm
    AlvinT

    bazza65 writes...

    All changed to 23-Dec-2016 on the latest sheet.

    Bazza65, where did you see this information? I couldn't find it on nbnco or finder website.

  • 2016-Aug-22, 6:50 pm
    PeteP

    Happy writes...

    told me they voted to kill the FTTP off because they thought they were already locked in for FTTP

    The "trickle down" effect backfiring ... love it!

  • 2016-Aug-22, 8:02 pm
    bazza65
  • 2016-Aug-22, 8:02 pm
    bazza65

    Taps fitted in the pits today, tech told me he only had 2 streets to do that didn't already have HFC fitted from the old Telstra days in this area..?

    I would have thought there would have been a lot more than that? Unless someone else has the job.

  • 2016-Aug-22, 8:34 pm
    PeteP

    bazza65 writes...

    Taps fitted in the pits today,

    Sounds like infill work rather than lead-in

    I would have thought there would have been a lot more than that?

    Most streets would have been covered in the initial rollout. The question is how many of those taps were converted to lead-in cable to the premises. That is where it will get interesting. I read somewhere around 30% of premises do not have lead-ins in this area.

  • 2016-Aug-22, 8:34 pm
    Happy

    70% serviced, yeah that would be accurate from what I saw

  • 2016-Aug-24, 4:43 pm
    bazza65

    PeteP writes...

    Sounds like infill work rather than lead-in

    Yes, definitely infill, they ran the new cable up the street about 3 weeks back.

    Tech said the new cable is supposed to be connected to the old mid next week.

    No sign of any lead-in work as yet.

  • 2016-Aug-24, 4:43 pm
    AlvinT

    bazza65 writes...

    Taps fitted in the pits today, tech told me he only had 2 streets to do that didn't already have HFC fitted from the old Telstra days in this area..?

    I would have thought there would have been a lot more than that? Unless someone else has the job.

    You have the taps fitted today? Do you previously have the taps inside the telstra pit?
    When they open up the telstra pit, mine already have the taps but it is like rusted or corroded and the tech said the signal or noise is very high and need to change it.

    So they only do a lead in cable for me and put a PCD NBN utility box.

    Could you take a photo of the new taps?

  • 2016-Aug-24, 7:37 pm
    bazza65

    AlvinT writes...

    Do you previously have the taps inside the telstra pit?

    No, my street has never had HFC cable before.

    New cable was pulled through about 3 weeks back, taps put in today, tech said we are to be connected to the rest of the grid mid next week. Then presumably sometime after that we will have the lead-ins pulled through.

  • 2016-Aug-24, 7:37 pm
    AlvinT

    bazza65 writes...

    No, my street has never had HFC cable before.

    okie. nice.

    My area already have HFC ages ago that why the TAPS is stuffed. They said need to be changed and called NBNco.

    They said the taps will be changed when the "ready for service" is up at end of december. Not sure why they don't do it now.

    May I know which parts are you on? Did you realised small section of bull creek has been removed from HFC network?

  • 2016-Aug-24, 7:41 pm
    bazza65

    AlvinT writes...

    May I know which parts are you on?

    As per my previous posts, I am in 6APP-63, just off Beaskey Rd down near South St end.

  • 2016-Aug-24, 7:41 pm
    AlvinT

    bazza65 writes...

    As per my previous posts, I am in 6APP-63, just off Beaskey Rd down near South St end.

    Hmm...weird...
    according to the finder map, that section isn't on the rollout schedule.

    Or Do I miss something?

  • 2016-Aug-24, 7:53 pm
    bazza65

    AlvinT writes...

    Or Do I miss something?

    I wouldn't rely too much on the rollout map.

    We are listed as prep on Finder, maybe we will go to build when they're ready to do the lead-in work.

    https://www.finder.com.au/nbn-tracker/rollout/6APP-63

  • 2016-Aug-24, 7:53 pm
    Happy

    bazza65 writes...

    As per my previous posts, I am in 6APP-63, just off Beaskey Rd down near South St end.

    Pm me your street address

  • 2016-Aug-24, 8:16 pm
    Happy

    That area is all HFC new build, I scoped that street lol

  • 2016-Aug-24, 8:16 pm
    bazza65

    Happy writes...

    That area is all HFC new build,

    That's why I was surprised yesterday when the tech said he only had to do 2 streets with new taps...

    Mind you, as he was installing the said new taps, he proceeded to tell me we were getting FTTN, 'because this is coax not fibre' LOL...

    Didn't have the heart to correct him.

  • 2016-Aug-24, 8:26 pm
    PeteP

    bazza65 writes...

    he proceeded to tell me we were getting FTTN, 'because this is coax not fibre' LOL...

    He is not that wrong, both FTTN and HFC are not true FTTH and have their own problems, see:
    /forum-replies.cfm?t=2560384
    Frankly if you are close to your DA pillar and have clean copper running through your premises (no messy unused multiple sockets and unterminated wiring) you would be better off with FTTN.

  • 2016-Aug-24, 8:26 pm
    PeteP

    I just checked the NBN maps:
    http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/rollout-map.html
    and there is a non-NBN gap centred around Bull Creek Primary School / John Creaney Park surrounded by FTTP RFS to the north-west and HFC Build to the south-east, what is happening there exactly? And also the other side east of Oberthur Primary School, west of Karel avenue?

  • 2016-Aug-24, 8:31 pm
    AlvinT

    PeteP writes...

    I just checked the NBN maps:
    http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/rollout-map.html
    and there is a non-NBN gap centred around Bull Creek Primary School / John Creaney Park surrounded by FTTP RFS to the north-west and HFC Build to the south-east, what is happening there exactly? And also the other side east of Oberthur Primary School, west of Karel avenue?

    That was what I was trying to say last time. Totally no idea what is happening to that section. Only small area. So weird.
    No idea what NBNCO is doing.

  • 2016-Aug-24, 8:31 pm
    Happy

    that sections is HFC as well

  • 2016-Aug-25, 10:42 pm
    AlvinT

    Happy writes...

    that sections is HFC as well

    It was HFC before, but then it was removed few weeks ago.
    Not sure why.

  • 2016-Aug-25, 10:42 pm
    bengtan

    NBN boots million homes from HFC cable to slower FttN
    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/gadgets-on-the-go/nbn-boots-million-homes-from-hfc-cable-to-slower-fttn-20160826-gr1t6p.html

    Unless pay TV cables already run down the street, homes in HFC-enabled suburbs are likely to end up on fibre-to-the-node as up to 1.5 million premises are slashed from the cable rollout plan.

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:25 pm
    bazza65

    bengtan writes...

    Unless pay TV cables already run down the street

    I'm glad they ran new HFC cables up our street a few weeks back, otherwise who knows...

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:25 pm
    bazza65

    AlvinT writes...

    It was HFC before, but then it was removed few weeks ago.
    Not sure why.

    Could be it's now changed to FTTN as per the above..?

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:33 pm
    nut-cracker

    bengtan writes...

    Unless pay TV cables already run down the street, homes in HFC-enabled suburbs are likely to end up on fibre-to-the-node as up to 1.5 million premises are slashed from the cable rollout plan.

    We had the NBN guys install a box on the side of the house about 3 weeks ago, in Murdoch near south street. Guessing we will be on HFC, never got around to installing tesltra cable because of the 2 year contract and all the talk about NBN coming both from labor and liberal governments.

    Not sure which is better as people are saying both are terrible but I'm wondering how long until we can purchase a plan and if we will be told which one we are on as they require different routers.

    Currently at 7Mbps , which isn't too bad personally except with many people watching video but has definitely limited my interest in heavy use applications like 4k video which I would consider.

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:33 pm
    xav777

    Approximately how many houses are on your pillar, as stated on the NBNco Corporate Plan 2017, the costs for HFC and FTTN are identical at $2300 if FTTN connected on average 200-300 houses. If your pillar has significantly less premises, it makes more economical sense to infill HFC, rather than FTTN

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:33 pm
    bazza65

    nut-cracker writes...

    I'm wondering how long until we can purchase a plan and if we will be told which one we are on as they require different routers.

    6APP-60 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-61 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-62 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-63 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016
    6APP-64 BATEMAN WA 23-Dec-2016

    You should have received a letter from NBN, we did, which said they were doing HFC work etc... That letter will also tell you which area 6APP-6x you are in as above, which is irrelevant as they all go live the same day now anyway.

    When you sign up with an RSP (after 23 Dec, or whenever it gets pushed back to) NBN will come and do some install work inside your house, like fitting the outlet etc and running cable back to the box you mentioned that was fitted outside, and they will supply you with an Arris modem, then your RSP will send you their router (if you want/need it, or are happy to pay for it, either outright or mostly free on a locked in contract)

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:33 pm
    PeteP
  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:39 pm
    PeteP

    bazza65 writes...

    Could be it's now changed to FTTN as per the above..?

    And this may not be the end of it! If you are in a Build area and don't see any lead-in works happening you may find yourself removed in the next map update. Interesting to see the brown Build maps look like swiss cheese.

    What a mess, Thanks Ben!

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:39 pm
    bazza65

    PeteP writes...

    If you are in a Build area and don't see any lead-in works happening

    Our area isn't even listed as build yet, but given they just ran new cable up the street 3 or 4 weeks ago, and new taps 2 days ago, I think we are should be ok... (famous last words)

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:45 pm
    PeteP

    bazza65 writes...

    Could be it's now changed to FTTN as per the above..?

    Here is a thought. I checked on mybroadband and that area is the east side of a DA which spills over into the FTTP side of Bull Creek. The next DA to the south (I think all the way down to South street) is similary constructed. I remember in the Senate hearings they couldn't (or wouldn't) go any finer that at the DA level for the choice of technology. So it could be that any FTTP DAs from 6APP-07 which stick out will get FTTP instead of FTTN or HFC. Of course I could be wrong since I didn't think a DA would be able straddle a major road (Benningfield Rd). Go to https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/ and check it our yourself.

  • 2016-Aug-26, 2:45 pm
    PeteP

    FYI

    Just received a flyer in the post addressed to my home (but in the name of To the Resident) from TPG announcing Super Fast NBN would soon be coming to my home. This is on the east side of Winthrop, west of Murdoch Dve.

    Other than that "No Activity"

  • 2016-Aug-26, 3:13 pm
    AlvinT

    PeteP writes...

    ust received a flyer in the post addressed to my home (but in the name of To the Resident) from TPG announcing Super Fast NBN would soon be coming to my home. This is on the east side of Winthrop, west of Murdoch Dve.

    Other than that "No Activity"

    Same here, I received the exact same flyer as Petep. I am on the east side of Bull Creek, Vigors Ave.

    They did lead in about 1 month ago and said will fix the TAP but haven't seen any tech coming to fix it

  • 2016-Aug-26, 3:13 pm
    bazza65

    PeteP writes...

    Just received a flyer in the post addressed to my home (but in the name of To the Resident) from TPG

    Got it today..

    What are you planning on doing PeteP, stay on your current Telstra plan as long as possible or jump to someone else?

    I guess only time will tell, but do you see any RSP's being in a better position to offer a decent HFC service over others?

    What type of things will come into play? Congestion, lack of CVC etc, the same as FTTN, how will HFC differ?

    No word on either Belong or iiNet offering HFC plans as yet, despite Redcliffe (Qld) and Ocean Reef (WA) being live for a while now, any thoughts on this?

  • bazza65

    PeteP writes...

    I just checked the NBN maps:
    and there is a non-NBN gap centred around Bull Creek Primary School / John Creaney Park surrounded by FTTP RFS to the north-west and HFC Build to the south-east, what is happening there exactly? And also the other side east of Oberthur Primary School, west of Karel avenue?

    It's been put back into the latest map which was released today.
    My area is finally showing as build commenced as well, there are a few areas that are mssing though, looks a bit strange..

    http://www.nbnco.com.au/learn-about-the-nbn/rollout-map.html

  • PeteP

    bazza65 writes...

    My area is finally showing as build commenced as well, there are a few areas that are missing though, looks a bit strange..

    Yes a real jigsaw puzzle the Bull Creek/Leeming area is looking like.

  • 2016-Aug-26, 5:41 pm
    PeteP

    Just realised there are some new estates in Bateman/Murdoch in the last the last 15 years which have popped up and according to Telstra only ADSL (not cable) is available:

    - Noalimba / Arcadia Crescent, Bateman
    - Japonica Way, Murdoch

    It will be interesting to see what happens in 3 months when this whole area goes RFS for NBN. These areas require both cable in-fill as well as cable lead-in works (no different than FTTP). There are around 50 premises affected so maybe small fry in the greater scheme of things, but if there are enough of this littered around Bateman, Murdoch, Bull Creek and Leeming the cost all adds up very quickly.

  • 2016-Aug-26, 5:41 pm
    bazza65

    PeteP writes...

    Just realised there are some new estates in Bateman/Murdoch in the last the last 15 years which have popped up and according to Telstra only ADSL (not cable) is available:

    Yes, my street in Leeming is only about 16 years old or so (was parkland I believe) and there "was" no cable in our street. This was run up the street about a month or so ago, taps fitted a few weeks back but no lead ins as yet. Only 13 houses in our street..

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